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Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
[You are hilarious man, please, keep the personal insults coming, especially after you outright admit that I was right and you are wrong.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
The fact that you don't care that there is a difference between a military conflict and a war is downright sad, especially if you are truly in the military as you claim. You of all people should care what is actually happening(but you obviously dont have that capacity).
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Your grandkids will ask you, and you will give them false information. I hope you're proud.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
For the record, I'm working raising the children of this country. You go on killing people, I'll go on helping them grow.
Originally posted by jerico65
And I really don't care if you're right and I'm wrong. As you had said in a previous post, it's semantics. It's like the Korean War (a police action) and the Vietnam War (a conflict).
It's not that I don't care, it's just pretty low on my priority list at this point in time.
"Obviously don't have that capacity". Oh, that was funny.
Whatever. I hope they don't have to, but at least my grandkids will know how to fight.
I bet you are. Just keep in mind next time you're at the mall that it's me and my friends that are allowing you the privilege of doing that. You're welcome.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
K, I'm not going to get into your little competition here. This is silly.
You can feel great about yourself all you want, but fighting an illegal occupation against someone that is no threat to america does not preserve my freedom. It detracts from it, and creates enemies of it.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
As I said, it may seem semantical, but it is imperative in our country. All of our laws are based on semantics. It is VERY important to know what is actually going on. You apparently don't.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
So wait, you being military means your grandkids will know how to fight? Thats a new one. Are you trying to imply I dont know how to fight? You're going to have to come at me with something a little better than that if you want to get to me.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
And, going hand in hand with your final comment, next time you look at your kids, remember that it is me and other teachers that allow them to grow and learn.
Which is more important for our country? Killing foreigners or educating our youth?
Originally posted by jerico65
It's America, not america. And yes, it's important.
And yes, I feel GREAT about all that I do. I'm proud of every one of the guys in my unit. The more terrorists that are made to take a dirtnap, the better.
So, what do you teach? That the military is full of bad, stupid guys that are breaking the law with their "illegal occupation"? Just curious.
Not a threat to America? Really? That's interesting. Seems like "death to America" is the terrorists war-cry.
Yep, I won da dum soljers that John Kerry mentioned. I know what's going on; like I said, it's not really high on my priority list.
Priority 1: Targets that are engaging me.
Priority 2: Running out of Diet Pepsi.
These are not in order of importance.
I don't imply anything. If you have trouble looking in the mirror because of something like not being in the military, that's your problem.
I'll teach my kids and grandkids integrity first, service before self, excellance in all that you do. Nice little set of building blocks.
If it wasn't for the military, you wouldn't be teaching much of anything, actually. And what's more important? Actually, both are.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Your perspective is a xenophobic one...
I'm sorry but I believe that the rights we have belong to everyone...
Thank God the man I voted for is in Office!
It must be nice and convienent to have your cake and eat it too.
Since Obama believes they should NOT have miranda rights, is the man you voted for who is in office also xenophobic?
As the video clearly shows, Obama was NOT for miranda rights.
So is Obama, the man who you voted for, all of a sudden deeply worried about their rights or did he purposefully lie or did he change his mind for political reasons.
[edit on 6/12/2009 by WhatTheory]
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
america. America. Please, refrain from criticizing typos. It has no place here and honestly is generally the last grasp of someone who is losing an argument.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
The more terrorists that you kill the better? Have you considered that they probably consider YOU the terrorist?
They are no threat to america. They can hate us all they want. Thought does not equal action.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Not choosing to go into the military is something I consider one of the best decisions I ever made.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
I'm not sure how teaching your grandkids good values means they know how to fight. Somethings missing there.
as for what I teach, I teach in a BLC at a public middle school.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
And finally, I do agree, without previous military engagements, I wouldnt be teaching. However, this current Extended Engagement is doing nothing to enable my freedoms. It is taking it away.
Originally posted by jerico65
And you're a teacher and a typo like that is OK? Another reason to homeschool. And yeah, I'm sweating over this.
Typos don't help with an argument.
I'm not worried about what they think. Thought doesn't equal action, but sometimes, it does.
Sure, the more terrorists dead is better. Less of those scumbags blowing up cars in markets and killing women and children. (And could someone explain to me how killing civilians is going to further their goal?)
I'm glad you made that decision, too. It's great to be able to have that choice, isn't it? Once again, you're welcome.
Yeah, well, if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.
And just how is this war taking away from your freedoms? You're here on ATS, and you can spout off whatever you want. I bet there isn't a government agent standing over your shoulder, telling you what to teach.
You know, rights that our government now wants to give to terrorists (trying to get the thread back on track). Isn't the Geneva Convention suppose to be the rights of POWs??
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Have you ever heard of indirect effects? You know... non-linear ones?
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
My goodness, you just cant keep it civil, can you?
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
You do realize this is a message board, right? And as such, it's not a place where I tend to proof read. Pretty sad that you need to keep going there though. Perhaps you can actually stay on subject? ANd really, do you think teachers are immune to typos?
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
It is nice to have that choice. You have done nothing to secure that freedom. SO no, I will not thank you.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Living by a good moral code(which I will give you credit, the things you listed are just that) is not the same thing as being able to fight. If one were to truly live by the things you speak of, you would not be okay with this occupation. Period.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Actually, there is a VERY strict curriculum that I am forced to stick to. So in a way, yes, there are agents over my shoulder. But thats not even the point. Because of this "war", we no longer have habeus corpus. I can no longer teach my children about due process. I cannot teach them about the letter of the law. I spend every day teaching kids to be able to read between the lines and not fall for blanket statement such as "terrorist". Whats funny is, my BLC students get it. Kind of sad that you can't. This is a DIRECT result of the illegal actions of our military over the last 8 years.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Yes, Geneva is about POW's(among other things), in a TIME OF WAR, which this is not.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
1) I'm done with your personal insult crap. Don't do it again.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
2)I love that all military personel automatically jump to "say that to a vet, see what happens". As if the opinion of vets is the end al be all. Of course they are going to be on the side of the military. This is like me saying "Why don't you go ask a bunch of pacifists and see how far it gets you". Pointless and irerelevant.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
3)Let's see, it's already been announced that there will be a permanent military base in Iraq(in fact, I beleive its already built). You can lower the numbers, but no one is actually talking about the removal of all troops. Do some research.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
4)So, you neice and nephew have learned about habeus corpus. Have they learned that, thanks to this campaign and it's architects, it no longer applies?
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
5)Go read your material again.
"The Geneva Conventions apply in all cases of declared war, or in any other armed conflict between nations. They also apply in cases where a nation is partially or totally occupied by soldiers of another nation, even when there is no armed resistance to that occupation."
None of these things apply right now. Nice try though.
Originally posted by jerico65
Whatever. Harden up.
Punching pacifists isn't worth the time. Like punching an emo kid. And when it comes to the military, the opinion of a vet does hold a bit more water than someone that didn't serve. You know, since we've been there and done that.
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Hey, Obama promised!!! And I don't have to do research, I see it when friends are going out the door. Numbers will be reduced, but they aren't going to be permanently leaving, regardless of what Obama promised.
Well, since they aren't Gitmo prisoners, they don't have to worry about that, do they?? And I haven't heard of anyone being picked up by the cops in my town and held unlawfully.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
5)Go read your material again.
"The Geneva Conventions apply in all cases of declared war, or in any other armed conflict between nations. They also apply in cases where a nation is partially or totally occupied by soldiers of another nation, even when there is no armed resistance to that occupation."
None of these things apply right now. Nice try though.
You lost me. It said in cases of declared war, or in any other armed conflict. Guess that covers Iraq, doesn't it, since you did call this an "extended military conflict".
Swing and a miss.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic It's not a matter of hardening up. Its a matter of being mature enough to debate a topic without it degenerating to insults. Harden up? Try growing up.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
1)It's not a matter of hardening up. Its a matter of being mature enough to debate a topic without it degenerating to insults. Harden up? Try growing up.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
2)Its funny that you jump right to punching a pacifist. Good insight into your psyche. ANd very expected. I'm sorry, but a vets opinion is no different than anyone elses...you know what they say: Opinions are like a-holes; everyones got em and they all stink. Serving in the military, while admirable, does not make your point of view any more important than anyone else.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
3)You just admitted I was right. Numbers will be reduced. The occupation will go on. Thanks.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
4)K, this is where reading comprehension is key. Read your source again. "In times of declared war or armed conflict WITH A NATION. Are we fighting the government of Iraq? Are we fighting the government of Afghanistan? Get it yet(doubt it).
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
5)I HAVE heard of someone picked up in my home town and detained without representation. His name is Brandon Mayfield. He was a highly respected lawyer. You should read about him.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
And he clears the bases with one swing.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Dude, when will you learn that you just can't win when you're taking on Keyboard Kommandos (with Action Avatars!)
These pajamahadeen can be as big and bad as they like...as long as there's no call to follow through. Just ignore them and be glad they're out of government.
OBAMA: Now, do these folks deserve Miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Have you ever heard of indirect effects? You know... non-linear ones?
What the hell does that mean?
I will ask you again and see if you answer it.
So is Obama, the man who you voted for, all of a sudden deeply worried about their rights or did he purposefully lie or did he change his mind for political reasons since the video clearly show him stating that they don't deserve miranda rights.
Originally posted by jerico65
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Dude, when will you learn that you just can't win when you're taking on Keyboard Kommandos (with Action Avatars!)
These pajamahadeen can be as big and bad as they like...as long as there's no call to follow through. Just ignore them and be glad they're out of government.
Funny. What marital art will you be pretending that you're an expert in?
Well, yeah, that makes sense. Obama is in government and all is right with the world. Right??? Right? Thought so. Hey, Mom is calling you.