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Originally posted by shanerz
Greed is akin to one thing in human nature: Competition. Competition is a result of the survival of the fittest, making sure one's genes stay in the pool and that one lives. The delusion is that survival of the fittest applies to a concept we created, a concept that is not natural: money. We have medicine, vast food supplies, the ability to understand and deny our natural desire to mate with every opposite sex human we see - this is an ascendence away from survival of the fittest. Money is a delusion of this concept, wanting to dominate others is a delusion of being a real alpha member. We squabble over mating rites: People appealing, to take as a mate, other people's partners. This is a true projection of our adherence, no matter how fit, to the natural principles of ALL life. Wake up.
This power you so speak of is derived from one of two things: Our natural abilities; an accumulation of wealth - which I have already shown to be a delusional reality, at best.
We all have a degree of self control. The power to change? The power to make better? We don't NEED it. We HAVE these things. It's natural. Just because you define it as a word with, likely, the broadest definition in the dictionary doesn't mean it is true. Again, wake up.
I said I don't want the power to control others, tell them what to think, how to act, etc. So... LOL, actually I showed you quite clearly how one can control the flow of causality. And that for any system of being there are two possible scenarios, at the very least:
You can't say, "Well, it's irrelevent because thats the way things are." This statement alone proves that you are unwilling to see the whole picture. What if the cow holders, Monsato, didn't use this drug? There wouldn't be the effect that is present today.
Again, does that scare you? Does it scare you that you have control? But I already know the answer to this:
... You can't even prove to me that free will exists, and neither can anyone else for that matter...
You call me a slave? Educating yourself will show you how to free your mind. You have to choose to educate, then you have to choose to free yourself. Good luck.
Originally posted by kcfusion
NWOhereNOW & Justsomeboredguy
My God your intellect and logic just astound me!!! Im speechless. Quite frankly, your right I am jealous...... of anyone who has not burned their eyes on ye're dazzlingly narrow minded threads.
I have no doubt that at least one of you have an agenda here on ATS, I mean why else would you both post constant drivel!
No Offence
It was getting late, and four young monks who were travelling the countryside decided that they should rest for evening. They found a suitable place to camp, and built a fire because it was getting cold.
The four monks then decided to settle down and meditate in silence before going to sleep, like they did every night.
As the evening progressed, the fire started dying down and the winds began to pick up.
"Oh no! The fire is about to go out!" said the first monk.
"We are supposed to meditate in silence!" said the second monk.
"Will you be quiet!" said the third monk.
"Ha! I am the only one who did not talk!" said the fourth monk.
Originally posted by tatersalad
the question should be reversed to you, are you jeolous? it seems like you are some kind of youngen just out of school, is this correct? So i ask this, do you have a family, or are you encharge of a family member or 2? Or did you just graduate high school with the smell of ingnorance written all over your forehead! Because most people that i talk too,are not jeolous of being just a normal person. All they really want to do is raise a family, be told the truth, and get on with there lifes. the real stickler you start having with people is this. when your leadership lies to you about everything, then why would you fight for them? why would you be a law abiding citizen, when they are not ? When the truth be told your not jeolous of these people, you just ask that they play on the set of rules and morals and playinging field as you! Leadership by example as i always say.
hopefully you get the deal, its not jeolousy, its leadership by example, and we dang sure dont have any real leadership as of now!
Originally posted by NWOhereNOW
Originally posted by kcfusion
NWOhereNOW & Justsomeboredguy
My God your intellect and logic just astound me!!! Im speechless. Quite frankly, your right I am jealous...... of anyone who has not burned their eyes on ye're dazzlingly narrow minded threads.
I have no doubt that at least one of you have an agenda here on ATS, I mean why else would you both post constant drivel!
No Offence
When people like you chime in to threads, it always reminds me of this little story.
It was getting late, and four young monks who were travelling the countryside decided that they should rest for evening. They found a suitable place to camp, and built a fire because it was getting cold.
The four monks then decided to settle down and meditate in silence before going to sleep, like they did every night.
As the evening progressed, the fire started dying down and the winds began to pick up.
"Oh no! The fire is about to go out!" said the first monk.
"We are supposed to meditate in silence!" said the second monk.
"Will you be quiet!" said the third monk.
"Ha! I am the only one who did not talk!" said the fourth monk.
You're the fourth monk, but instead of saying you are the only one that did not talk, you are suggesting that you are the only who is not narrow-minded.
You're obviously one of those folks who thinks he knows it all.
Originally posted by NWOhereNOW
Money is as natural a concept as bartering. It is all rooted in the concept of trade and property - all natural concepts which are innate in our history. You seem to be suggesting that which has naturally arisen from us is not natural?
Let me guess...
beaver dams: not natural ??
monkey tools: not natural ??
termite mounds: not natural ??
It is just as natural to strive for power and to want those in power. It is the concept of an alpha male, or the alpha organization.
"Wake up?" could you BE more pretentious? The only thing you have the power to change or make better is your little corner of the beehive, per orders of causality. The Queen has the real power. I imagine you are somewhat like a DRONE, Borg-like with a veil of false freedom implanted into your mind.
You don't want to control others: You don't want to control Hitler to stop him from destroying the Jews. You don't want to control the Bilderbergers to stop them from participated in their homo-erotic satan worshiping ceremonies. You don't want to control the Federal Government to get rid of corruption.
What-if is another one of the fantasy lands you live in. There is no "what-if" there only now and what is:
You've single-handedly proven one of the longest running philosophical debates in history!
See, the only power you have is the power to create your own delusions.... to create your own false realities. To live as a completely unrelated, entirely independent entity.
You are a slave to reality. A slave to existence. A slave to protocol. A Slave to now. A slave to what is.
Yes, you are a slave.
Originally posted by shanerz
People traded for real goods, such as fur, food, etc. and it wasn't until much later that jewels and beads were traded for among communities. And in the beginnning, most of it was of cultural significance. For their art and beliefs. Not for survival. The vast majority doesn't make a headress out of money.
People in hardship barter with things that help them survive - because they are a community that can specialize, they do to better provide for/care for everyone at less energy expenditure for each individual.
As I've said, the delusion is in the fact that the system SEEMS to follow natural principals. The truth is they all collapse. Read a Tale of Two Cities. Look at the world economy. Look at the starving children. Wake up.
Sure, timothy McVeigh, Hitler, Mao, etc. all controlled their own little corner didn't they? Whether it's "good" or "bad", they affected millions.
And how about that ONE SINGLE WOMAN who started a movement of millions for peace (in Africa or the mid east).
How about the kids who shot up the schools? Did they affect their own corner? No. The whole country felt hurt. The sad part is, they didn't even think about what the kids HAD gone through.
Just stating that the queen has the power means you gave up your ability to exercise free will. !!!!!Willingly!!!!!. Good Job.
Wake up.
Okay, I'm up. What's for breakfast, slave?
No, I don't want to control them... I want to free others. Big difference. Ask 'ol Abe.
Wake up.
a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. There is a time to get the courage it takes to stop people from doing what they do rather than free those after the fact.
You act like that guy who killed the doc in church didn't have a choice. That HE HAD TO kill this guy. No questions, no thought process, just kill him, thats it.
Hah! It's true. You're like the guy who responds in someone else's thread. No questions, no thought processes, just reply, that's it.
I'm a slave to my values, what I believe in, and how I make up my mind. That's it. On any given moment, I could go against all this if I so desired and in a controlled manner. Trust me.
Considering you are delusional, it is not a surprise that you would think that way. You probably think you are your own little God, manipulating matter at will. Don't tell me, you are one of those morons who watches clouds disperse and think you've "busted" it?
As I've shown before, you are a scared little creature. Weak and selfish. But that's ok, because you don't have the power to oppress others.
On the contrary, I wish to facilitate my idea of correction upon the world along with many others. You, you wish to sit by and let it happen while you sit in your bathtubs of lies and despair. It's obviously that your ego must defend your position by ridiculing and attacked my character, be it calling me a creature or saying that I am delusional.
I wouldn't be the one to tell you how to think, anyway. All I can do is suggest you are wrong, and you can accept it or not - it really doesn't matter to me, besides the fact I feel a little dismal over the ignorance you preach.
Yet you portend to be in control. It is obvious that I am the one in control of you... controlling your reaction, your emotion, your idea of me.
I am the one which controls your concept of who I am. I can be anything I want you to see.
You have no say in it. You are transparent and reactionary. A sum of your experience, which now contains me and my thoughts.
I am a part of you now.
Try to forget.
You don't have the power to control it, as you've previously stated. You can't even prove to me that free will exists, and neither can anyone else for that matter so your fanatical perception of your reality is at odds with what is real.
Originally posted by Republican08
Hopefully, I can be the one ruling the world, instead of the one whining about those who rule it.
Originally posted by shanerz
LOL Good game.
Second line to tell you to wake up.
*I won't forget, you reinforce my ideals very well. Thank you.
*Oh and for the record: I just made things equal.
You don't have the power to control it, as you've previously stated. You can't even prove to me that free will exists, and neither can anyone else for that matter so your fanatical perception of your reality is at odds with what is real.
It's staring you right in the face, yet you still aren't getting it.
If you are worthy, you will understand.
If not, there isn't much more I can do.
[edit on 7-6-2009 by shanerz]
[edit on 7-6-2009 by shanerz]
Originally posted by HulaAnglers
It is important to mention that those that do take the power - loathe the ones they have power over for their stupidity,laziness, bad looks and taste, dangerous neighborhoods
kind of insane...this loop
Originally posted by mythos
Originally posted by Republican08
Hopefully, I can be the one ruling the world, instead of the one whining about those who rule it.
then we can all whine about you.
PS the OP's avatar disturbs me, just for the record.