You get this when police brutality happens with thousands of eye witnesses.

May be cops in this footage were fans of the loosing team ??

Don't know if this video comes from Brazil or Portugal, because it seems to be in portuguese.

Soccer is somehow a big sensitive issue over these place.

A real war even started in central america over a soccer game.

Police officers went too far, That guy running on the field was not a threat to anyone, and IMHO, even looks funny. Even if what he was doing is not legal, it could be funny.

Some of those Police officers had strong lacks of jugement. IMO.

Would have been so much different with this. Hope so !

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Originally posted by John Matrix
Originally posted by jfj123
The cop called me lazy for not parking and walked away pissed.
Now because of what happened, I'm am less likely to respect an officer in the future. He put a bad taste in my mouth for all officers.
All he had to do was just say something like, "sorry about that, I thought the sign said something else" and he could have walked away and we'd both have a nice day and I would have thought that he made a mistake but apologized like any other human would do and thus would give me MORE respect for him and the police in general.
That got me to thinking that if he couldn't admit such a minor mistake, what would happen if he made a mistake maybe misidentifying a suspect ????

The long and short of it is that each officer represents all police when they take action and interact with the community. If that interaction is overwhelmingly negative, they are ultimately only doing themselves a disservice in the long run.

The reason the cop was upset was that you took his parking spot.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

No, I was in front of the UPS store, not in front of a donut shop

[edit on 6-4-2009 by jfj123]

Why was it necessary to subdue this man? Because he was running?

reply to post by marsha law


This was in Portugal, in a Benfica game. I was there, but i was not able to go to the field. just glad a lot of people did.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Why was it necessary to subdue this man? Because he was running?

It is illegal to run on the pitch as a supporter. Thats why the police where running after him around the pitch.

Happens all the time in soccer, at least it used to when people used to stand, and before all seater stadiums.

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Reply to defcon5

Sorry, but I am trained in defensive tactics,

Defcon5 is talking about offensive tactics, not defensive tactics. If you don't know the difference maybeyou sholud reserve judgement.

I would imagine these police officers are sick and tired of all the deadly riots that occur at these soccer matches, which are started by unruly fans such as the guy with the sign.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by craig732]

Mine was a reply to defcon5, who said: "To someone not trained in Defensive Tactics this probably looks like the police just hitting someone for no reason. . ."

Maybe you should read the posts before YOU pass judgment.

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Why was it necessary to subdue this man? Because he was running?

It is illegal to run on the pitch as a supporter. Thats why the police where running after him around the pitch.

Happens all the time in soccer, at least it used to when people used to stand, and before all seater stadiums.

Oh! That's why they took him to the ground face down and beat the crap out of him. Well then, I guess it's ok......NOT!!

Illegal? You mean like jay walking? That's the category of severity I would put it in. The guy should have been politely escorted from the field and warned. Second time, he gets a 1000.00 fine and has to do 10 hours of clean up in the stadium as punishment.

Nothing justifies the beating he got. The crowd gets an ovation from me on this one and the cops got what they deserved.

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
That is just uncalled for on the cops and fans part. The cops had no right to keep hitting him, he was on the ground for heavens sake! The fans didnt need to go any further and start a multi-person brawl. They could have just stopped when they stopped the cops. This is ridiculous! This seems to happen more and more and it really frightens me sometimes. We are supposed to trust them and then they turn on you. BAD! They should be fired for what they did. I am sure there is more than one video of this.

well i disagree, the police there are suppose to be trained...the fans are not. the guy running across the field was a fan with a sign in both hands, no weapon, no bomb, no threat...just a fan that ran onto the field...the police should have grabbed him and simply walked him off that field, and everything would have been ok...but what did the police do...held him down and started beating on him...AND IT LOOKED LIKE ROUTINE BEHAVIOR FOR THE COPS!! that's why the rest of the fans came out of the stands, it looked like the cops thought to themselves that this was the way to treat people who disobeyed. the fans in the stands immediately sensed this and tried to save the guy from being badly injured by the police.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by jimmyx]

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I did not say the police where right, i said thats why they chased him. Of course the police where scum, but what can you do, the police are always like that and always will be.

At least some stood up for him, the scummy police will still be around in there jobs destroying others.

Originally posted by jfj123
No, I was in front of the UPS store, not in front of a donut shop

[edit on 6-4-2009 by jfj123]

If you had offered him coffee and doughnuts he would have changed his disposition.

Seriously though, what the cops need is 3 months of serious sensitivity training. I had a friend who was mentally ill(schizophrenic). Six cops could not recognize or understand what they were dealing with so they beat him until his head and face were swollen to the size of a basketball. His crime was simply being a nussance on the street and confronting people as they walked by. He wasn't being violent. He spend a month in the hospital healing, and once back on Lithium he was fine again.

I wonder what will be the result of this video making it around the www.

More police at matches?
Police being more tolerant of non threatening behavior?
Police keeping in the background and afraid of the mass of fans?

My bet is that there will be a huge increase of armed law enforcement and fans being killed if the LEOs feel threatened.

The action/reaction always leans toward the power structure.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by whaaa]

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So your friend had his mind electro shocked for a month, while the police got away with beating him black and blue. Nice deal if you can get it, the world never changes. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by John Matrix

 

I did not say the police where right, i said thats why they chased him. Of course the police where scum, but what can you do, the police are always like that and always will be.

At least some stood up for him, the scummy police will still be around in there jobs destroying others.

Thanks for clarifying. Sorry for misunderstanding. I really think those cops will be taking a new approach. The physical and psychological trauma delivered to them will most likely give them an attitude adjustment.

Hopefully they will realize the prospect of seeing their families again is more important than the adrenaline rush they get from being bullies and abusing others.

Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by John Matrix

 

So your friend had his mind electro shocked for a month, while the police got away with beating him black and blue. Nice deal if you can get it, the world never changes. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Exactly. The cops got away with it because they did it behind closed doors, after they arrested him and took him to their local lock up. They claimed he started it....LOL. That's the standard claim, even when they are caught on video red handed they always blame their victim.

Absolutely insane.

A guy is a little excited and runs across a pitch, and they think the best way to deal with that is to take him down with force and beat the crap out of him? Hardly a measured response was it!

This is just another example of the Police State, cops on a power trip who think they "fighting terrorism" by controlling people instead of doing their proper jobs. American cops seem so high on their own arrogance that they think they're all heroes in the making and that anyone who breaks any rule (however slight) is working for Osama!

The US Police training is all about preventing dissent and controlling people, not about protecting and serving the public. And until the American people wake up and see that, things like this will keep happening.

Sorry, but I have very little sympathy for those cops. They acted violently, their response was extremely disproportionate. The reaction of the crowd is what you get at a perceived injustice.

It's not pretty, but maybe other cops will look at this and consider why the crowd turned on them. They turned on them because a gang of men attacked a guy for breaking a very minor rule, and they used force that was completely unnecessary.

It was Police brutality, and they had a response from people who have a better understanding of justice than they do as trained officers.
Yes, some of the response was extreme too, but that's Human nature when a vulnerable person is attacked.

This is probably one of the best examples of absolutely appalling Police training ever seen. Clearly they have no idea of how to deal with a minor misdemeanor.

My verdict? Harsh on that one cop, but understandable from a psychological point of view. Violent cops get violent reaction.

I respected cops a lot more when they were trained to de-escalate a situation. They used to always try to calm you down before force was needed. But now they are trained to approach every situation with the utmost authority and control. They use what another poster called +1 tactics which is basically the same way you deal with a disobedient dog.

And I know someone is going to say "They have to use these tactics because of the danger". Bull crap, if you didn't know the danger you were getting into when you became a cop then you shouldn't be a cop.

yea whatever, i wish they beat those officers into the hospital and everyone in the stadium stood their ground shouting we will not take this anymore until the news media arrived. Yes its over the top, yes its far too far, and that is how we get the point across just as they get their point across to us that we are slaves and sheep.

you people need to stop with your politically correct attitudes, it is what got us here in the first place.

you don't explain to a child what he did wrong and that's all, you give him a spanking.

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by Blundo

 

That was unnecessary what the cops did and what the fans did. I am serious, the fans stop them from hitting the poor guy and then they turn on the cops? The whole point is not to become what your enemy is. As soon as they got the coips off they should have stopped. But I am not putting all the blame on the cops, that idiot should have not been on the field in the first place and with the recent attacks on soccer players and stadiums and fans, who knows maybe the cops had reason to do what they did. I mean do you know if he had a bomb on him or not, that sort of thing. All in all do not become what you fight against. Disban the situation and end it.

[edit on Apr 5th 2009 by TheMythLives]

This comment literally made me roll my eyes. How dare you even suggest that he had a bomb on him! I love how you're supporting the cops and all for what they did when the guy wasn't a threat to anyone. He had both of his hands on a sign, not on weapons. Yes, the guy with the sign was an idiot, but he sure as hell wasn't a threat.

I fundamentally disagree with your comment, "Do not become what you fight against." Are you suggesting that we run up to these cops and give them hugs? Police brutality can only be met with brutality. The 60's taught us all a critical lesson. When people with weapons confront people without weapons, there is an inevitable outcome.

And if you think the cops would have just walked away after being confronted by people from the stands, you have another thing coming. It's obvious that a large group of people in the stands felt that the cops had gone way beyond the line and chose to act on it. Cops pull this crap all the time and rarely do they ever get confronted for it. The people in the video did the right thing. They corrected the behavior of those police officers. How many of you would like to bet that they think twice about engaging in police brutality again, lest they again be handed their @$$es?

this happened here... its very sickening.. you can see the police report here:
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Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by jfj123
No, I was in front of the UPS store, not in front of a donut shop

[edit on 6-4-2009 by jfj123]

If you had offered him coffee and doughnuts he would have changed his disposition.

Seriously though, what the cops need is 3 months of serious sensitivity training. I had a friend who was mentally ill(schizophrenic). Six cops could not recognize or understand what they were dealing with so they beat him until his head and face were swollen to the size of a basketball. His crime was simply being a nussance on the street and confronting people as they walked by. He wasn't being violent. He spend a month in the hospital healing, and once back on Lithium he was fine again.

I hope he sued the hell out of them.
EVERYONE needs to be held more accountable ESPECIALLY those in authority roles.
I would even go so far as to suggest a new agency be created that is completely independent that would investigate these police brutality crimes. Internal Investigation units at police departments obviously can't do the job.