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And why would I have a problem with "Separate but Equal"
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Annee
And why would I have a problem with "Separate but Equal"
We're not talking "separate but equal" here... we are talking equal. No one receives any benefit from a marriage - no one! - under this proposal. How is that separate?
TheRedneck
(emphasis mine)
California's top election official says supporters can start collecting signatures for a proposed ballot measure to strike the word "marriage" from all state laws.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Let the law refer to any domestic partnership on equal terms. And then if people want to use the word "marriage", they can. The state would issue a "Domestic Partnership License" to qualifying adults and then people could get "married" in their church or on the beach or in the woods by their chosen facilitator.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
I have to ask this: which group are you in? The one that just wants something to fight about and therefore will oppose anything that has a possibility of working, or the one that wants to rub the churches nose in something?
Originally posted by whatukno
Good for California! I think that it is time for marriages to be taken out of the legal system. If I want to be married, I want to be married not contracted to the other person with a legally binding document.
I am for full Equal Rights - - I already have said that several times.
I already stated I would hold out for full Equal Wording - - not separation by "corrective measures" of coming up with a replacement word of an already established legal term word - marriage.
I have also made it perfectly clear I FULLY support separation of church and state. Therefore using church in anyway as leverage for argument is moot.
Originally posted by Annee
Marriage is the legal established word - - and needs to remain the legal established word.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by Annee
Marriage is the legal established word - - and needs to remain the legal established word.
Hi Annee. I think you might be missing the point. I could be wrong, but let me explain and see if you're still against it.
This IS fully equal wording.
If this were to be adapted, from now on, anyone who wanted to enter into a domestic partnership, straight or gay, would get a "Domestic Partnership" License.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Hi Annee. I think you might be missing the point. I could be wrong, but let me explain and see if you're still against it.
Originally posted by americandingbat
And maybe the Massachusetts legislature has just finally recognized the need for domestic violence support for gay couples, which has existed for decades if not forever.
I thought about reporting the T&C violations of the images you include, but decided you probably wanted children to see them, since it serves your purpose.
Where were they actually distributed in real life, by the way? On a web site that does its best to provide an experience that is appropriate for browsing by any age? Somehow I doubt it. Let me guess: a university health service? Maybe a health clinic in a largely gay neighborhood?
Wow.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
First it doesn't surprise me YOU of all people would think such a post was Bizaar, nor would it surprise me you thought of Mod alerting.
I would gladly trade your feelings of being offended for my outrage seeing this kind of thing ANYDAY! Not that their is any images gays would be offended by when almost all their websites are laced with sex talk and porn
but I think it's important that Parents get to see EXACTLY what their tax dollars are paying for and on March 2, 2009, Handouts given to kids during "gay day".
Originally posted by americandingbat
I'm not quite sure what I've done to earn this, but okay then. Yup, I thought it was bizarre. And after going back and forth with my conscience for a while I decided to alert the mods. Mostly because I respect the guidelines this site has, but also because I have friends here who are on ATS while their young children are around.
I didn't find the posters personally offensive, but they certainly were inappropriate for any child who is too young to understand sex.
I confess I don't spend that much time on gay-targeted web sites. But I guess I know which kind you like to visit.
but I think it's important that Parents get to see EXACTLY what their tax dollars are paying for and on March 2, 2009, Handouts given to kids during "gay day".
Now I'm confused. Are you saying that the poster that hopefully by now has been removed was given to schoolchildren on March 2? Of what age and grade? To all children or only to children who approached the school nurse with relevant concerns?
Originally posted by Aermacchi
This is hysterical as my posts have nothing on them that hasn't been judged age appropriate for children 14 - 18 but I bet they might find your avatar a scandalous bit risque
I didn't find the posters personally offensive, but they certainly were inappropriate for any child who is too young to understand sex.
Yet Obama added an addendum to an Illinois senate bill to educate kingergartners on sex education and they teach transgenderism in gradeschool. You say you care about children then you insult me with the innuendo about what websites I frequent?
I confess I don't spend that much time on gay-targeted web sites. But I guess I know which kind you like to visit.
Are YOU a parent? Do you ever check to see what YOUR kids are surfing? Or are you afraid someone like YOU would insult you when you try to explain what is out there and what kind of agenda the gay community in Calif has plans for in our public schools.
I agree sex like this is not appropriate for children so if you are serious quit thinking about how bizaar this is and CHECK IT YOURSELF if you don't believe me.
Now I'm confused. Are you saying that the poster that hopefully by now has been removed was given to schoolchildren on March 2? Of what age and grade? To all children or only to children who approached the school nurse with relevant concerns?
This is given to all children during gay day in massachussets which is a day the gay community with their new married status has been given more than equal rights, they even have their own day and a flag for that day to be flown just beneath the state flag.
This is to show why anyone thinking it is going to stop at marriage is nuts. In fact that is only the beginning of a long and detailed agenda they have for states government and most of it is beyond anything we might think is "copaesthetic" even easy to change gender drivers licenses
Time to shut down homosexual clubs
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Posted: July 02, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
By Linda Harvey
© 2009
When are public health officials going to intervene and shut down homosexual clubs and other pro-homosexual programs in our schools?
Last week, the Centers for Disease Control released a report on HIV/AIDS diagnoses between 2001 and 2006. The data revealed that HIV diagnoses rose over 12 percent annually among MSM – that's males having sex with males – in the 13 to 24 age group. Among all MSM, HIV/AIDS diagnoses are up over 8 percent during that time period (an estimated 1.5 percent annually).
Did you get that? Each year, 12 percent more boys and young men were diagnosed with HIV. The trend is straight uphill. Yet homosexual activist groups like GLSEN and PFLAG, in lockstep with the ACLU and even Planned Parenthood, convince educators that safe-sex condom demonstrations, "gay straight alliances," and tolerance and diversity lessons are necessary "support" for those who are presumably born to engage in this behavior.
Our beautifully designed 14-year-old boys were created to have anal sex? Right.
It's no accident that the numbers are rising so sharply. It's the predictable result of an incessant homosexuality promotion campaign to our youth, both in schools and in the media, with few or no opposing viewpoints allowed. The message to Christians and conservatives in schools is: "Remain quiet – we don't need your hate." Well, when are we going to spare our young men all this "love" being showered on them? It may be fatal.
Ironically, last week in Irmo, S.C., the school board caved to lawyers and activist pressure and voted to establish a homosexual club, in spite of high school principal Eddie Walker's announcement he will leave over the issue. The board made one smart move. It will require parental permission for kids to join up, a policy that frustrated homosexual sympathizers. They hate sexual restraint and parental oversight. Better to just continue to allow our young to self-destruct without all that pesky parental interference.
But the club should have been voted down. You would think our side could come up with a legal strategy to halt the pro-"gay" freight train rolling over our young. Like Centers for Disease Control statistics. Or the clear lack of evidence of a biological origin for homosexuality. Even the pro-homosexual American Psychological Association admits this:
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. …
But instead of going back to basics and common sense, the Irmo board predictably did what most school boards are now doing: believing that they "must" allow a homosexual club to comply with the requirements of the Equal Access Act, or EAA. Some of these school board members call themselves Christians (I know this from being party to some of the community e-mail exchanges), but apparently, the word "abomination" is not in their Bibles.
They and their attorneys have drunk the Kool-Aid and accepted the notion (deftly crafted by homosexual legal groups like the ACLU) that this club is a "viewpoint" and thus deserves to be established on an equal footing with all other school non-curricular clubs.
But in the face of this CDC data, and the EAA itself, this is foolishness. The EAA does not even mention "gay straight alliances," since it was passed in the mid-1980s before such child-endangering insanity began. The law prohibits restrictions of clubs based on religious, political, philosophical or other speech. But homosexuality is not a viewpoint. It's a known high-risk, traditionally immoral behavior. By cleverly changing the language and repositioning anal sex to become a free speech issue, the legal eagles of child corruption have snookered countless public schools, with the assistance of activist judges and courts.
The EAA allows for exceptions to clubs that would endanger student welfare and safety. It also allows for exceptions if a club would be disruptive. Both are easy to prove in the case of "gay straight alliances." They are historically disruptive; they advocate a lifestyle that is not biologically determined; and they clearly endanger student health and well-being.
No, what's really needed here is the department of public health. That and some lawyers who are at least as courageous as those of the deviant sex lobby. We have a wealth of data on our side – why are there so few lawyers willing to put it to good use? If the other side had taken this wimpy and vision-less approach, there would be few such clubs and fewer young men corrupted and diseased.
Don't we have any lawyers out there who have a background in public health? Or who know a scientist or two? Do homosexuals have more gumption than our current fathers and grandfathers do?
As a mom, I am going to ask the obvious: Where are the men? Does it take us moms to protect our boys? Why can't – or won't – the men do this?
why are there so few lawyers willing to put it to good use?