Rapelay virtual rape game banned by Amazon

reply to post by _Phoenix_


Google is easy to use and too easy for kids which can let them find anything in seconds just like I did.

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I can actually remember commercials that touted the "health effects" of cigarettes and I bought mine for 17 cents a pack when I first started smoking. I quit when they went to four dollars a carton. I can understand what you are saying, and maybe I am just the "old fogey" now, but I am afraid for the future.

When I was in school, you kept your mouth shut, your hands to yourself, and you did your lessons as diligently as you were able. Now kids have no problem with ignoring lessons all together and threatening teachers and other adults. Where does that come from?

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

I would not find it acceptable, but I would not ban it. I would be cautious of it, and advice people not to sell it, and for private businesses to ban it if they feel like doing so. But I would not want the goverment getting involved, inforcing laws that could be the start of more laws banning more freedoms, like posting on this site for example, banning religions etc.

There are things that are banned on this site. And we have lots of laws that ban things people in general find abhorrent. You have never been free if you think freedom literally means doing whatever you want at any cost to society at large and others.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
There are a lot of sick things out there. But who's to decide what's sick and what's not.

In social groups, we are the ones to say what is sick or not. Thats a fact of living in a social group. Its a trade off. You gain from the technology of the group, the protection offered by that group, and you give up some of your right to do whatever you want.

I am all for personal freedom. But personal freedom has a boundary for me, and that is when one persons "freedom" impinges on another persons rights and freedoms. Games that glorify mistreatment of groups of people, particularly when historically those things have actually happened to that group of people crosses a line that killing monsters in an MMO does not. Or even games like GTA dont. I dislike that game, but random violence against a wide variety of people, distasteful as I find it, is still in a different class than targeted violence against groups of people who have historically been targeted and considered subhuman.

You said you wouldnt hurt a fly, even though you had played violent games your whole life, but what you dont realize is us as a society just accepting these games that advocate racist or sexist violence hurts people. It would hurt Jewish people just seeing advertisements for a game where the "point" was to round up and gas Jews. It hurts women to have society stand by and accept games where women are treated as subhuman.

I am hurt by it. There are other kinds of pain besides physical pain. I personally cant believe someone at Amazon thought initially that that would be ok. I am horrified that they had to receive complaints at all. Why? Because it tells me that in our culture, violence against women is still so commonplace that someone didnt even think of it the way I phrased it to you. Those same people who would never have advertised a "holocaust" game, or a KKK game, dont mind having a game where women as a class are the victims.


[edit on 13-2-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]

He, he, he...better not tell these folks about the tentacle monsters and maids.



There's a whole world of animated adult fantasies to please every kind of twisted mind, aren't you glad those fantasies are satisfied in virtual worlds rather than the real one?

And the need for sex is FAR less damaging than the need to KILL!

Ever heard of someone commiting rape because of a video game?

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by eNumbra

 

I can actually remember commercials that touted the "health effects" of cigarettes and I bought mine for 17 cents a pack when I first started smoking. I quit when they went to four dollars a carton. I can understand what you are saying, and maybe I am just the "old fogey" now, but I am afraid for the future.

When I was in school, you kept your mouth shut, your hands to yourself, and you did your lessons as diligently as you were able. Now kids have no problem with ignoring lessons all together and threatening teachers and other adults. Where does that come from?

I would argue it's the "baby our children" movement.

Apparently, and I must have missed the memo but children can do no wrong, but I remember 8 years ago when i first started working in a retail job, the biggest problem was 3-6 year old terrors who's parents would set them loose in the store and didn't bother to actually watch what they were doing.

I remember being halfway finished cleaning, and repegging the toy aisles, only to have it destroyed in 5 minutes by 2 kids around 5 years of age. You can't tell me that violent video games caused that. As long as people believe there are no consequences they will do what they want. Along with over medication and certainly over stimulation... it all adds up.


And I don't know about you being a fogey, youre a couple of years younger than my father; frankly everyone should be afraid for the future, i think you may just be placing the blame in the wrong place.

[edit on 2/13/2009 by eNumbra]

Originally posted by groingrinder
Now kids have no problem with ignoring lessons all together and threatening teachers and other adults. Where does that come from?

I'd say from a lack of attention from parents who are too busy trying to make money or just don't care enough about their kids!

"Give 'em a PS3...that'll keep 'em busy"

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

There are things that are banned on this site. And we have lots of laws that ban things people in general find abhorrent. You have never been free if you think freedom literally means doing whatever you want at any cost to society at large and others.

I meant banning this site, because the goverment and people might say it's disgusting and anti goverment, bad for childrens minds etc etc.

What you say about having to accept these things is not what I mean't, we don't have to "socially" accept anything, we can talk and put shame on these non social things all day. But once we start banning things and arresting people for drawing pictures it becomes too much.

It will simply be the start of people wanting to ban anything they assume is not the social standard, meaning we will all become sheep/robots. Stick to the social standards or get arrested.

I really do understand what you say about women violence.

By the way I just read somewhere that some artists draw the women and men talking with each other happily, talking about what roleplay they are going to do today. And then they do the story. And after it the story/roleplay finishes, the artist shows them again talking about how fun it was to roleplay.

Do you think that would help? Or is it still evil to you?

Anyway I'm falling asleep here lol, I'm off to dream land! The only true free place!


[edit on 13-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Its a GAME. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Nobody forces you to play it, so I dont see what the big deal is?

Everybody has different values. Different cultures have values that vary vastly between regions as well. There are things that many eastern countries deem acceptable that we would be disgusted by. Myself, I find many anime and hentai cartoons to be akin to cartoon child porn. The characters are purposely portrayed as young, skinny girls with pre-pubescent bodies lacking any bodily hair. Could this be offensive to people? Im sure it is. Does that mean we should ban it? Of course not.

As for this game, some people like rough sex. Thats a fact and Im sure many of you have seen parts of hollywood movies where people enjoy to be slapped, whipped, beaten, and so on. So this game takes it a bit further and turns it into really rough sex. Some people are turned on by that, mutually, and as long as nobody is taken advantage of against their will then I see no problem with what they do in their personal time. Just like this game, it appeals to a certain market which does not represent the majority of the population. This is a game for adults, played by adults, who know the difference between right and wrong.

Rape isn't something that people see on TV, or a game and then act on it because of that. It is a very violent, degrading, crime that focus' on domination and submission. It takes a very sick individual to be able to do that without remorse, or actually, even at all. No amount of playing this game, even twenty four hours a day, would cause someone to want to go outside and rape women and children. Im sorry, it just doesnt happen like that. If someone plays this game, and then rapes someone, then they already were a sick individual and the game was only a scapegoat.

Stop trying to ban everything just because you dont like it. I dont like it, but Im not going to cry about it, because I dont have to play it, view it, or otherwise even read about it. Without this publicity as well, kids would not even know a game like this exists. Now thanks to the wonderful news, Im sure this game got much more publicity then they ever intended.

One day in the future, we are all going to be confined to rooms with padded walls with rounded corners, magazines of fluffy bunnies, and video games about pink elephants flying around magical kingdoms at the rate we are going. Im sorry, but thats not the kind of world I want to live in. Stop trying to ruin my fun. If I want to play a game where I mutilate people, thats my right. If I want to watch porno that simulates excessively rough sex, thats my right.

If nobody is being hurt, who cares. And if offends someone, who cares, because people are ALWAYS offended about something. If we keep banning something that offends someone, we wont have anything left in the world to enjoy.

This is insane.
It is NOT harmless. It is not portraying rape in a book, or in a movie, which is always shown as a negative, and done to define the actions of people that are insane or evil.

This is being done as entertainment, and it is in a media that encourages users to act as a rapist, (even though it is in an artificial medium), for the sake of entertainment.

Originally posted by SumnerKagan
This is insane.
It is NOT harmless. It is not portraying rape in a book, or in a movie, which is always shown as a negative, and done to define the actions of people that are insane or evil.

This is being done as entertainment, and it is in a media that encourages users to act as a rapist, (even though it is in an artificial medium), for the sake of entertainment.

After you prove that the player doesn't go to jail at the end of the game, you can come back and talk about how it's promoting rape.

Originally posted by deadline527

As for this game, some people like rough sex. Thats a fact and Im sure many of you have seen parts of hollywood movies where people enjoy to be slapped, whipped, beaten, and so on. So this game takes it a bit further and turns it into really rough sex. Some people are turned on by that, mutually, and as long as nobody is taken advantage of against their will then I see no problem with what they do in their personal time.

Rape is not rough sex. (insert comment that would get me banned here) If you dont know what rape even is, you arent qualified to discuss it, now are you?

All I can say is as a woman I found it horrendous that anyone would want to pretend to rape.
I would also find it alarming that they want to desensitise the seriousness of removing free will from a woman. It is plain wrong to give this option 'playing' at raping someone to a child or teen or adult.

Its not that I think they will go out and commence raping, but its the ideology that you can turn it into game that upsets me.


Most rapes occur by someone the know. But in this instance its about violent rape by a unknown assailant which causes physical damage like a guy being beaten really badly, you know kicked in the head and gut repeatedly.
Close your eyes.
Imagine you have someone holding their hand over your mouth whilst they are attacking you. They've already punched you in the gut, king hit you in the head and knocked you to the grou. You have the taste of blood and tears in your mouth and the heaving stench of someone in your face. God it hursts, your are in a Living HORROR.

The act lasts a short time, and that horror stays with you for the rest of your life, it ruins your relationships and you live in fear for a very long time. YOUR WHOLE LIFE , do you get it???? Every day you carry it around.

Rape is about Power, not sex. And in this game its is saying that you gain power by this act.

I personally wish men would stick to shooting and maiming each other thank you very much. I dont need 'game play' about depowering and abusing a woman, we've put up with enough of this crap for millenia. We've only had 50 of years of freedon in the west. I cant bear the reverting back to this idealogy, even for 'fun'.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Rape is not rough sex. (insert comment that would get me banned here) If you dont know what rape even is, you arent qualified to discuss it, now are you?

"Rape" from Dictionary.com

1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
........etc....

If the sexual act of rape isn't "rough" could you please explain why not being as you're "qualified" to discuss it.

cheers.

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Rape is not rough sex. (insert comment that would get me banned here) If you dont know what rape even is, you arent qualified to discuss it, now are you?

"Rape" from Dictionary.com

1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
........etc....

"If the sexual act of rape isn't "rough" could you please explain why not being as you're "qualified" to discuss it. "

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OH my I see we have to start from scratch here.

Most rapes occur by a known person, the act isn't usually "rough' you are mistaking the word 'rough' for 'forced' > say when a father or uncle has repeatedly raped their nephew/niece or whoever, it is repeated and over time and the victim rarely struggles out of being petrified, or they have been told they are either in danger themselves or their family is in danger or that they are being dirty and will get in trouble, It is often a hidden quiet act.

Rape is about assuming Power over someone and from that they may get sexual gratification.

It is not about enjoying 'rough sex'

Enjoying rough sex can be consentiual.

Rape is NON consentual and can be delivered many ways. either violently, or hidden and quietly, but it is Non consentual.





[edit on 13-2-2009 by zazzafrazz]

If it were a movie it would be art. Just because its interactive it's immediately labeled obscene by a bunch of morally upright armchair critics. For the millionth time let it be reiterated there is no proven connection between what people do in games and what they do in real life. Any person with a I.Q above 6 could make that distinction. Rape fantasies and Pedophilia aren't something that manifest over night or from a game, and to claim they would is ridiculous. Despite the existence of this game the world will go on just the same as it did before this particular sequence of 1s and 0s was released.

I'd just like to say that there's a huge thing over in Japan called a CULTURE. Russia has one, Sweden has one, UK has one, and we have one. All of our cultures are different. Whilst culturally we (this includes me) think that women are equal and should be treated the same as men and have the same freedoms (and the same goes for variations thereupon), other cultures treat things differently. US culture advocates us all being different but equal - but other cultures prefer homogeneousness. This certainly does not mean that they're backwards, stupid, terrible, or whatever - they're just different. (I.E., we can't enforce our ideas of things onto other people with different ideas. If your neighbour eats sausages with maple syrup, let her!)
That was on the subject of "Japanese women should get up in arms and start a movement" that I'd seen pop up in this thread. This is unrelated to the game itself. (Well, people do go overboard sometimes, but people do this everywhere.)

As for the game?

There's worse out there, and it wasn't as if it was a v. widely distributed, popular game like manhunt or GTA. SO, whilst it should have stayed in Japan, it's not too much of an issue, since only RESPONSIBLE (albeit maybe somewhat repressed) ADULTS will be buying them, and the little kids will be busy running over a hooker in GTA4. It was sold on what, Amazon? I'll bet you that the only people who have heard of this game before it was on the news are people who typically go for games like that, who would rather play the game than do the act themselves, so I wouldn't be too frightened.

Culture affects a lot more than you think, IMO.

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OK, I understand where you're coming from.. I won't challenge your limited perspectives further, so enough of the definitions and let's get back on topic.

I personally like these kind of games for the amazing and creative work of the artists....cheers.

Originally posted by nerbot

If the sexual act of rape isn't "rough" could you please explain why not being as you're "qualified" to discuss it.

Do you see the parts in the definitions where the word "force" is used? Do you notice that "duress" is mentioned as well? It is "against ones will" that makes it rape. Not violence alone. If someone consents to "rough sex" it is not rape, now is it?

Did you read the entire paragraph I quoted of his? Apparently not.

Originally posted by deadline527
As for this game, some people like rough sex. Thats a fact and Im sure many of you have seen parts of hollywood movies where people enjoy to be slapped, whipped, beaten, and so on. So this game takes it a bit further and turns it into really rough sex. Some people are turned on by that, mutually, and as long as nobody is taken advantage of against their will then I see no problem with what they do in their personal time.

Emphasis mine. Rough sex that is consensual, as this person is discussing. Is not rape. Which is why there is a word for rape, rather than just calling it "rough sex." Nor need rape include physical violence. As in the case of drugging someone to unconsciousness and then raping them in a non-violent way. If there is no "force" used, if someone is not forced against their will, it is not rape, even if it is rough. But rape need not be "rough" physically.

As deadline527 described it, no rape is involved if the people involved like it and are turned on by it and no one is taken advantage of against their will. I would have thought that was self evident.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

rape 1 (rp)
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.

dictionary.reference.com...

rape
1   /reɪp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [reyp] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, raped, rap⋅ing.
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
–verb (used without object)
9. to commit rape.

Originally posted by ivzm
If it were a movie it would be art. Just because its interactive it's immediately labeled obscene by a bunch of morally upright armchair critics. For the millionth time let it be reiterated there is no proven connection between what people do in games and what they do in real life. Any person with a I.Q above 6 could make that distinction. Rape fantasies and Pedophilia aren't something that manifest over night or from a game, and to claim they would is ridiculous. Despite the existence of this game the world will go on just the same as it did before this particular sequence of 1s and 0s was released.

I think the point is :
The act of Rape is considered unacceptable in our society.

The act of 'playing' at raping someone is considered unnaceptable.

I dont think they will go out and rape from learning here, they learn that behaviour from their immediate environment, however, it is unnacptable to rape or make light of raping even in a game.

Can women get a bit of respect after 10000 years of being subjegated? do they now have to put up with further humilation and depowerment in games?
Whether it teaches someone to rape is not my debate, its offensive and we dont need it.

Originally posted by nerbot

OK, I understand where you're coming from..

I won't challenge your limited perspectives further, so enough of the definitions and let's get back on topic.

I personally like these kind of games for the amazing and creative work of the artists....cheers.

Well, since you think being opposed to rape is an indication of a limited perspective, I suppose I can only hope you get to broaden your perspective even further and enjoy the experience as a recipient.

Cheers!