David Icke: "The Man Behind Obama" PART 2 - Above Politics 49

"Lets look at the man behind Obama, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security advisor to Jimmy Carter. Obama gets the reputation that he is anti war" says David Icke in the second part of his interview with Homer and Martin. David discusses Obama's anti-war position and his voting record with the Bush Administration. Hear David talk about the agenda for Africa and the black over class in America.

And of course, a Homer rant to end the show.









ABOVE POLITICS Number 49, with Martin Bain and Homer Fife, from AboveTopSecret.com.
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[edit on 1/18/2009 by Dave Rabbit]

Guys,

Thanks as ever for the fantastic content of your show. I really enjoy them, but need to ask, what's going on with the reverb/echo sound?

I like to listen while I potter 'round the kitchen and cook and find it makes it a lot harder for me to listen properly?

Do you think this may get fixed?

Cheers,

MGGG

[edit on 18-1-2009 by machinegun_go_go]

Yawn. David Icke has some good thoughts. They're great speculation. I think that the Government has a certain agenda and there are these globalists running the agenda but I don't believe that the Presidents are in the loop. These other people are telling the President what to do... but Obama doesn't really have much control except for the domestic control of his own party... but other than that other people are controlling him. It's not so much of a conspiracy. He lies down some good fundamental points but I think we should wait and see to see if Obama actually makes America better or if he makes it worse and if he makes it worse I will be critical of what's going on. Obama isn't going to bring the new world order. I believe it will be a long time before a new world order happens. David Icke has some good ideas but some of his ideas are a bit too extreme for me.

I agree with you on your rant. I'm still reserving judgment on Obama. He hasn't done much yet.

I think you make some good points about his past political elections. A lot of people are getting too hyped up on hope.

I see a lot of articles written by real journalists really excited about Obama. They're hyping him too much...

I don't dismiss the potential idea that Obama could turn on us and become a Hitler like person. There is the potential for that. But, I don't believe that it could happen in the USA.

You raise good points. Stay strong Homer Feif. Keep denying ignorance.

[edit on 18-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

I'm sorry I couldn't edit my post. But anyways, I doubt that Congress will let Obama become like Hitler. Bush has already agreed to withdraw the troops out of Iraq so I'm sure that Obama will follow that plan. I however do not know how many claims that David Icke made are true. But anyways, I liked the show. It was thought provoking.

I liked it to a point. However, I feel like you didn't challenge David icke enough. You just let him talk for long amounts of time and you didn't ask tough questions, rather, with your bias, I felt you just complacently agreed with him when he compared Obama with Hitler.

I do not believe Obama is Hitler. Obama is not nazi-like. As someone who is half-Jewish half-Christian I am horribly offended by the comparisons that David Icke made between Obama and Hitler, and, I would be horribly offended by anyone who made similar comparisons about any other American leader to Hitler-- including Bush.

I think national unity is good and that people are allowed to have national unity if they want to be unified. These people aren't brainwashed like David Icke suggests and I have doubts about how much this "guy behind Obama" about how much power he really has over Obama.

Much of David Icke's criticism was over the media barrage of Obama. But Obama is the first black President-- so it's madness to be interested over him right? Wait, did I just play the race card? Maybe-- but I see you conservatives using the race card over Obama all the time.

I am very offended by the comparisons to Hitler that David Icke made. I feel that David Icke is just trying to discredit Obama by comparing him to Hitler and he didn't even talk much about specifics about who is behind Obama. He just says they're "mind manipulators" and he just gives very vague generalizations about what all politicians do. Most politicians make a lot of promises before they go into office and they may not be able to follow through on many of them but I don't believe people were brainwashed by Obama I just believe Obama is a powerful speaker so people like him.

Not everything is a conspiracy. I disliked the show because of all the comparisons David Icke made between present day USA and Nazi Germany not because I dislike his point of view but because I think it's heresay to compare a politician to someone who's committed such horrible acts in the 20th century like Hitler, who's promoted genocide, and World War. There probably is a conspiracy revolving Obama-- but he's not Hitler.

Again, I take back the praise I made in the previous post, because now that I think about how horrible Hitler was, I think it is unfair to compare Obama to Hitler just because he is a good speaker and because people like him. There are plenty of people who are criticizing Obama in the news media. Not everyone is a zombie.

Again, I think David Icke is only looking at one aspect of the conspiracy. I think there is a conspiracy and that you can make comparisons between him and Hitler but to say he's like Hitler is just...

I don't know where to begin.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

[edit on 19-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

reply to post by Frankidealist35


I agree with you about the lenght of time before anything in American governing wi9ll ever change. It certainly isn't happening until the Bush's are out of there and the rest of the rogue powerpeople.
There is sense of new hope with our new President felt by alot of people around thew world. With the power of that much positive conciousness I hope this is the first step to a new world birth.

i listened for 6:00 minutes into the 'show'...

i didn't hear anything about Obama or Zebra-inski...
all i heard was claptrap about the gaza, palestine


no wonder i have Avoided the ATS MIX...
in fact i clicked Odeo.com for the show...



hruummmph!

reply to post by St Udio


So I guess you were not listening to the show. Martin and Homer clearly said that the second part of the David Icke interview was coming later in the show. In fact, it's about 10 minutes in to the show and then, BANG.

And please, remember that all the hosts of the ATS shows are doing this work for all of us. It such a shame that people can not be bothered to listen and want everything served up in neat little sound bits. If you want than, I guess ATS is just the wrong place.

Great jobs and what a coup bring us David Icke.

And St Udio, by bugging out after only 6 minutes, you missed a great interview but alos a great rant by Homer.

Sorry, Martin and Homer if I have over stepped the mark here but I guess you guys may not be in a position to fire back all the time!!!

[edit on 20-1-2009 by Freedom ERP]

reply to post by RIPNBYA


Yes, I agree. I also do see what David Icke is saying now. I just watched the inauguration and I can't believe how many people there were cheering at Obama like it was some sports game. I mean I like Obama and all he's a cool guy-- but they were being way too passionate about being at his rally. I understand that he's the first black President so they're all excited but we still need to hold him to the same level of criticism we've held other Presidents to-- I'm a supporter but trust me I will give him no easy passes and when he makes a mistake you can bet I'll be on it!

[edit on 20-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

Great interview!
Glad I Dont live in the US!
Still gotta share the planet though... doh!

FLAG!

There is no doubt in my mind that there's a new world order as revealed amongst others by david icke. Before Obama was even chosen as the democrats choice for office I said categorically that he would win...This was due to the amount of Air time he was recieving in the media. And the strategies used to put him in the public eye...such as in debates...placing him in the middle, giving obama the most funds...Holywood's phoney endorsement of obama. Obama and his devil sign salute that all of the neo-cons seem to do....check out any clip of the obama kids doing the horn sign and also obama during the inaguration. Icke has it on the money when he says he's just a figure head for the elite.
He doesn't have no real policies apart from the silly slogans..."change" "Hope" etc and if you listen some of his actual statements he's a socialist which is the guise that the elite use for facism. We are in the last days people....believe it!!

reply to post by Zeus187


Who says we have to share the planet? It's mine - all mine, damnit.

Mwhahahahahaha

Another great show guys! Excellent grab!

Hope we all get to meet soon over a Guinness!

*Martin, I haven't heard back yet on the PB interview but I'll keep you posted.

Yet again another good show!!

Im wondering what are the chances you could get on your show a man by the name of Webster Tarpley.
He wrote a book on the men and women behind presidential hopeful Barack Obama. He argues that there is more to Obama than his charismatic appearance and that some of his advisors pose a danger to the US and the world.

So I am hoping maybe you guys can book Webster Tarpley. And get his thoughts on the men behind Obama!

Here is part 1 of the video I found on Youtube about him and his thoughts on the men behind B. Obama.

David and him seem to have much of the same feelings about this issue. So I thought it would be worth while to post that here..

It amazes me that anyone would take anything David Icke has to say as anything more than Conspiracy Garbage 101. Especially the people on this site. The educated people on this site.

Obama has come in to take over for the worst president that we have had in my life time and one of the worst, if not the worst, of all times. Of course there has to be a consiracy in this right? There is a conspiracy in everything. Even my toaster conspires to burn my toast if I'm not careful and keep a close eye on it.

We can dig up plenty of dirt on ANYONE in a position of power. ANYONE. You all should be hopeful about the future and glad to be away from the bullcrap of Bush and Cheney that we have put up with for 8 years. What about all the imbeciles that voted these two back on office for another 4 years? What about the conspiracy behind that? So Obama has some people on his staff that have questionable agendas. This is somehow unusual in politics?

It's true Obama has had his eyes on the presidency for some time and he has had people working to help him get there. OH MY GOD......this is a conpsiracy, right? Or is it politics? Some of the people that helped him get where he is have questionable agendas...again, this is somehow unusual in politics.

There will always be conpiracy as long as politics exists just like religion. Religion brings conpsiracy with it just like politics. Sadly, it's impossible to have politics or religion without conspiracy.

When are the people that see or want conspiracy in everything (i.e. David "I used to play soccer now I have to make a living selling books" Icke) going to give us something we can sink our teeth into? Seriosuly SINK OUR TEETH INTO. Instead of unsubstantiated nonsense. And the usual same old same old same old same old.

Comparing Obama to Hitler is a joke and if anyone on this site brings up Hitler in a thread they are immediately pounced upon by people saying this is the biggest cop out on the planet. That it is ignorant and blah blah blah to compare someone to Hitler. Yet David Icke has a free pass to do this? This shows he is no better than the Conpsiracy 101s that constantly show up on here and then disappear. This shows his arguments have no substance. Comparing anyone to Hitler is a cop out but it's okay if Icke does it?

And the powers that be on here treating Icke like he is some sort of conspiracy god (and not even asking him tough questions just letting him ramble on about whatever) is fascinating and ridiculous at the same time. Icke is just a man and he likes to create drama and get people stirred up. He is good at it. What's his agenda? His agenda is to sell books.

Someone on here said it already. The US is a mess and of course there are a large amount of people counting on Obama to be the one the save us from the mess we are in. There is a lot expected of him and he has some celebrity status that goes beyond politics (like Kennedy). This is how badly this country needs help.

Why don't you let the man get started and see what he can do before you turn him into a reptillian? Even you Icke...you can do better than this can't you?

I also just want to point out one thing.

He's only been President for like 6 days right?

We don't know what kind of change he's going to bring.

I think it's hilarious how some people think that he's like Hitler and he's going to kill us all...

He hasn't really had a chance to do much yet but so far I approve of his actions.

I just think it's hilarious that people think it's the end of the world already...

[edit on 25-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

reply to post by Excitable_Boy


Homer and I will continue to bring people the main stream media ignore, and that means at times our listeners and members will disagree with our guests.

Homer and I will continue to bring people the main stream media ignore, and that means at times our listeners and members will disagree with our guests.

I'm sorry....I have read this over and over again and honestly don't understand what it means. Could you say this in anther way so I know what you're talking about? Thanks!

reply to post by Martin Bain


So you're saying you're okay with having people who compare the President of the United States to a madman like Hitler for more ratings?

Do you really think that people just disliked this particular two part episode just because we disagreed with you?

Or, do you think it's that you didn't ask David Icke hard enough questions and just went along with whatever he said? If I were in your position I would be challenging every comparison he made between Obama and Hitler.

But, the way that you just gave David Icke, the mastermind behind the reptillian hoax, a free pass, just disheartens me a bit.



[edit on 26-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]

I question all this comparing as well. Let no one forget that Obama came out of nowhere, he is..for a lack of a better word.. a newbie on the major political scene.

Oh ya we can look at his history being involved with his senator career, his involvement with his career in his state. But is that really enough of a history to jump to all this comparative conclusions, especially saying he is another Hitler in disquise?

i dont think so.

Im all for the right to express opinion. However, sometimes those opinions can be just as fabricated or biased as anything else that can be fabricated or biased to attract attention.

It is rather scary to think that such a large number of people, and even media, including ATS Mix Above Politics, would throw themselves into that same whirlpool of far fetched comparison.

However knowing that the program hosts are simply interviewing a 3rd party interviewee who is providing this comparison point of view to suggest Obama is another Hitler, perhaps ATS Mix programs, in these circumstances, should have a disclaimer at the very begining of the programs dealing with political issues, that clearly identifies the host's neutrality as well as ATS's neutrality, in the effect that opinions, statements, points of view, and so on, are only the views expressed by those being interviewed and not necessarily the view or opinion of the show hosts, ATS Mix, ATS/BTS, its staff and management and owenrship.

I highly suggest this. Being in the broadcast buisness for over 30 years, from engineering and technical support to producing radio and television shows dealing with controversial subjects, having a disclaimer can save face and prevent much confusion on the listener/viewer prospective.



Cheers!!!!