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there's archaeological evidence that the semitic people were in Sumer before it was wiped by the black sea flood.
so my position on it is, that they are both telling the same story.
the biblical version is from the perspective of the slaves and the offiical version is from the perspective of the hybrid nephilim of Sumer, who were the rulers of the known world before the flood.
Hans: No quite sure what your claim here is Undo?
Hans: Of what? The world deluge myth?
Shuruppak, a city that you surely know,
situated on the banks of the Euphrates,
that city was very old, and there were gods inside it.
The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
Their Father Anu uttered the oath (of secrecy),
Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.
Ea, the Clever Prince(?), was under oath with them
so he repeated their talk to the reed house:
'Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall!
O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu:
Tear down the house and build a boat!
Abandon wealth and seek living beings!
Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings!
Make all living beings go up into the boat.
The boat which you are to build,
its dimensions must measure equal to each other:
its length must correspond to its width.
Roof it over like the Apsu.
I understood and spoke to my lord, Ea:
'My lord, thus is the command which you have uttered
I will heed and will do it.
But what shall I answer the city, the populace, and the
Elders!'
Ea spoke, commanding me, his servant:
'You, well then, this is what you must say to them:
"It appears that Enlil is rejecting me
so I cannot reside in your city (?),
nor set foot on Enlil's earth.
I will go down to the Apsu to live with my lord, Ea,
and upon you he will rain down abundance,
a profusion of fowl, myriad(!) fishes.
He will bring to you a harvest of wealth,
in the morning he will let loaves of bread shower down,
and in the evening a rain of wheat!"'
Just as dawn began to glow
the land assembled around me-
the carpenter carried his hatchet,
the reed worker carried his (flattening) stone,
... the men ...
there were semitic people in the area in the ubaidian period, which preceeded the official sumerian civilization.
they were enslaved by the "god men", the nephilim (hybrid) offspring of the "gods."
Many many examples exist in the various pseudipigraphia and other ancient texts from the sumerian period forward.
it wasn't a myth in the sense of "Flood" although it's harder to prove the entire planet was flooded.
it does coincide with the black sea flood.
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sumer itself, was only found in last century, buried under 8 ft. of flood silt
You've used the term 'official', not sure what that is suppose to mean, could you explain? Official what?
Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by dalan.
Oh no...you got me. An inconsistancy in the Bible.
Way to go Indy!
In the Cathecism of the Catholic Church..."The Bible is truth, allegory and hope."
You are so right. The Friggin Summerians are the basis of all religions. So what? What about where their ideas came from?
Relax. This is a blatant post to prove Western religions came from the Friggin Summerians...we all get it.
Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by dalan.
You are simply clueless. Thanks for the ride.
Originally posted by undo
I've been researching the topic of the Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian and Babylonian water gods, for quite some time, specifically after finding and following the trail of the Sumerian "Enki." And my research has discovered something is seriously wrong! When I say wrong, I mean WRONG, with the current data available on the subject.
To understand why I believe there's a huge discrepancy in the data, it's necessary to define the the etymology (the root languages) of the associated words and some of their back history.
With very little effort, it is possible to identify at least 2 of the Sumerian gods with biblical equivalents. This relation is particularly obvious with the Sumerian gods known as Enki and Enlil. Enlil appears to be the equivalent of Jehovah, while Enki appears to be the equivalent of the Serpent in the Garden.
Enki, who's name originally meant LORD EARTH (En=Lord, Ki=Earth), had become associated with the water god. He was Lord of the Abzu (Abyss). This attribution is found in his later akkadian personification of EA, the water god. Further tracking of this water god, revealed his story in later incarnations such as Triton, Poseidon and Dagon.
The real puzzler appeared when I learned that the prefix "AB" meant water, and that the word "EL" meant god. Ab+el. Abel. That bothered me immensely. There was a riddle in the peculiar spelling of Abel, who was one of the first offspring of Adam and Eve in the biblical account. Why would they name their child after the water god, if by all accounts, the water god appeared to be the "Serpent in the Garden?" Clearly, the translation of the words along the way, had some sort of.....problem.
Ab is Father. As in Abba. This is mirror a fold. Ab el "Father of El" is Habel meaning "Haughty"/"Arrogent".
In those days, the land Shubur-Hamazi,
Harmony-tongued Sumer, the great land of the me of princeship,
Uri, the land having all that is appropriate,
The land Martu, resting in security,
The whole universe, the people well cared for,
To Enlil in one tongue gave speech. (emphasis mine)
Then the lord defiant, the prince defiant, (emphasis mine) the king defiant,
Enki, the lord of abundance, whose commands are trustworthy,
The lord of wisdom, who scans the land,
The leader of the gods,
The lord of Eridu, endowed with wisdom,
Changed the speech in their mouths, put contention into it,
Into the speech of man that had been one.
Originally posted by undo
Hans: No quite sure what your claim here is Undo?
there were semitic people in the area in the ubaidian period, which preceeded the official sumerian civilization. they were enslaved by the "god men", the nephilim (hybrid) offspring of the "gods." Many many examples exist in the various pseudipigraphia and other ancient texts from the sumerian period forward.
Originally posted by undo
clearly that text has been tinkered with.
if the whole universe gave speech in one tongue to Enlil,
how is it Enki is suddenly called the leader of the gods?
and if he's the prince defiant, what exactly is he in defiance of?
it was obviously modified by a priest of Enki.
or, there's a huge chunk missing.