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Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Not exactly.. I'd rather see scientific evidence than mere opinion since it has been said that women commonly say one thing and do another.
Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
riley.. it's probably much easier for you as well as most women, perhaps, because you all can have a degree of sexual balance. Whereas a guy like me who has none whatsoever at 24, still a virgin. And I'm not Merely talking about sexual intercourse even though that is included. What can you do though, sexual imbalance causes frustration and physical pain. It's not merely mental, it's a physiological imbalance. As for the oil shortage crap that orangetom speaks of.. this is a physical imbalance which causes physical and psychological imbalances. It's like a person who doesn't have enough to eat it can make him/her go crazy. It's like an autistic person (and please excuse me for the reference) has an "imbalance", it makes him/her physically "imbalanced". And no riley, I cannot just whack it off. No man or woman can simply masturbate this imbalance off. It does not work.
Yea you dont have to pity men. but I'm just being honest.edit on 13-11-2010 by The Quiet Storm because: (no reason given)
Its to the point where I feel like simply being friendly with women, or simply interacting with a female even something that isn't even for 'friends' is being too forward and disrespectful because it makes me feel like I don't have a 'right' or am not 'attractive' enough, or 'worthy'.
I dont understand this.. you're defending her?
She's basically saying that ALL nice guys are of one type, and they are no good. So there are no good nice guys?
You may have mistaken her sarcarsm.
You must not have noticed the part where you all HAVE been ganging up on him.
You see, this is what I see....
Shill? Who's shill am I then?
Feminism's
No-one forced you to come here and attempt (poorly) shame someone into Silence.
Negative, Putting on false airs of Brauvada is reserved exclusivley for the Deceptive, Psychopathic personalities.
Nice guys are not Deceptive, their Malicious Counterparts are, and they attempt to Box these NICE guys into an isolated corner of a lack of companionship.
They are Buying a decidedly different Image, aren't they?
Hardly... you are saying that NICE guys are Psychopathic, Deceptive, and Malicious persons.
Buy we already have scientific PROOF that women PREFER deceptive, psychopathic personalities.
So, if what you are saying is true, and these NICE guys are indeed DECEPTIVE and Psychopathic, then they would be getting more action... wouldn't they?
Being NICE enough to treat others with kindness doesn't automatically make you deceptive.
So why do you attempt to destroy their confidence so much?
Oh, ok... so what you are saying, is that anyone who is NICE, is automatically a Frail weakling with no personality, as well as a total bore?
That's quite an underhanded attack, isn't it?
You might think it’s cliché but real life experience and analysis points to its validity.
Source Please.
Because as far as I can tell... you seem to use the word NICE as a General Attack against people who you would rather not see having relationships.
Wow. I can't believe that you went there. Paris Hilton? Really?
So, they DON'T EXIST, but, they DO at the same time?
Then why do we consider them Equals? Why do we let them VOTE?
Yeah... it's like they think that Life is some Divine Gift that is given to them JUST BECAUSE THEY EXIST. As opposed to having to go through the Trials and Tribulations that men do. Having no Hurdles to pass through in life, they have no respect for CONSEQUENCES... and thus, their DECISIONS are based upon a FALSE PERCEPTION OF REALITY, as opposed to EXPERIENCING reality. So, why are we letting them VOTE, if they do not, LIKE MEN, have to cross the threshold of actually TRYING to fetch their own happiness?
Exactly.. so Those who are perfectly FINE with Crafting ILLUSIONS about themselves are the ones who have the most success with relationships.
And, those who end up BELIEVING their own Self Crafted Illusions will be the most Successful at entering relationships.
This is known as Psychopathy.
Psychopathy ( /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal. The publication of DSM-III changed the name of this mental disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder and also broadened the diagnostic criteria considerably by shifting from clinical inferences to behavioral diagnostic criteria.[3] However, the DSM-V working party is recommending a revision of Antisocial Personality Disorder to "Antisocial/Psychopathic Type", with the diagnostic criteria having a greater emphasis on character than on behavior.[4] The ICD-10 diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a personality disorder, its 1992 manual including Dissocial (Antisocial) Personality Disorder, which encompasses amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and sociopathic personalities.[5]
Since women do not have to EARN any of their "Rights", they inevitably start to think of themselves as Perfect, or Divine.
And those men who craft illusions around themselves, tend to RESONATE with this False perception of reality in Women, THUS, their Lies connect.... they have Sex....
And the World Dies a little bit, choked by its own....
This is why the Western world is Collapsing before our Eyes.... because THROUGH RELATIONSHIPS we (as a society) have come to ACCEPT Lies *AS* truth.
Thus, Those who are HONEST about who they are, are EXCLUDED from Relationships, and thus, the Self Esteem that goes with them.
Thus, the most CONFIDENT and SELF ASSURED of us, are those who cannot differentiate FANTASY from REALITY....
And they end up thinking that you can save an Economy, by Printing Money. Because they do not understand Value.
LOL! that is PRECISELY the problem... people in the Western world think that money *IS* power.... Just like the Government of Zimbabwe did, before their currency inflated something like 10 million percent in a few weeks.
Look... the problem with relationships, is the Problem with your Economies.
One cannot EAT lies.... Even Self deceptive ones. It does not WORK, Ask the Roman Emperor.... Oh, wait, you can't... There IS NO LONGER A ROMAN EMPIRE. Their women Got uppity Also, and they CAVED into their Emotional Demands.... There was no longer any incentive for any man to work on ANY ENDEAVOR, except Chasing Women.
So, Like I said Before.... I'm going to do you a Favor. Take all of your WOMEN, and send them to CHINA. Because THEY are the ones who are currently SUPPORTING YOUR ENTIRE SOCIETY. And I hear that women LIKE Men who are good Providers.
It's really a lie that women want money.
Women want Lying psychopathic, impulsive, deceptive, self obsessed/narcissistic men. It's not money they're looking for, because in the first place it takes degree of these above qualities to even become successful in some way, with women or other things. Yes it's true.
Virtue, qualities, real value etc. in this world, although in some spiritual societies gives a person legitimacy, over here it's about "material successes" and since it's about money the only way to get money in this world is to be aggressive. Not assertive, assertiveness is only reserved for a utopian society, but aggression
Therefore what is all comes down to, is women and men seeing that women really only want money, but that is not really true. There are many men without the money, but there are far more 'bad boys' who don't have money that get the women simply because they are 'bad'. In essence it's not about money, it ultimately comes down to being bad.
An ancient conflicted past has engineered the human being to biologically thrive on conflict through the "normal" sexual response. I say normal in quotations because it's really the most common sexual response. As opposed to others like tantric sex, karezza, consumate love etc. Even so, it only evolved into the human experience starting with to keep the man and woman together to raise children through pair-bonding. Though with tantra, karezza and consumate love we can work around the "normal" sexual response which is based on fear. Otherwise the normal sexual response would only support human conflict and therefore continue breeding it since it thrives on conflict. The other sex responses which aren't as common thrives on the opposite.
Women might say that they like the nice guy, but not through the "normal/most common" sexual response... They may not like the bad boy, but through the "normal/common" sexual response they are unconsciously attracted to them.
but I don't think that every guy out there who considers himself at least a little bit nice, enough to have it be a part of his personality, has been broken up with specifically because of how nice he is.
Bad boys, it seems, really do get all the girls. Women might claim they want caring, thoughtful types but scientists have discovered what they really want – self-obsessed, lying psychopaths.
A study has found that men with the "dark triad" of traits – narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness – are likely to have a larger number of sexual affairs.
Oh, are you speaking about someone in particular?
Yes.
I was referring to the idea that if these so-called nice guys decided to all of a sudden become rude and neglectful towards women, they would be acting macho, and bitter. I'm not saying that these nice guys who are getting dumped all over the place are all macho jerks, just the ones who decide to ignore phone calls/see multiple women at a time.
Trespassing is a pretty big bummer, and shouldn't be taken lightly.
You must not have noticed the part where you all HAVE been ganging up on him.
You see, this is what I see....
I haven't seen people here ganging up on TQS. I've seen TQS make some astonishing admissions and then post some astonishing views and people have attempted to correct him and been rejected.
He bears the responsibility and results for his driving skills so he had better man up.
It matters not to me. Disagreement is not ganging up. And this is a debate forum Agreement is not necessary here. Disagreement is allowed. We try to not let it become vulgar or outside the TC but disagreement is not ganging up.
No-one forced you to come here and attempt (poorly) shame someone into Silence.
LOL LOL LOL Edrick,
Obviously it has not worked as TQS does not know when to get out of the classroom and is still attempting to teach class to those who have been out here in the world and among the "wildlife." And I am still on page 30.
You are not rescuing anyone here Edrick from their inabilities. You are handicapping them.
Negative, Putting on false airs of Brauvada is reserved exclusivley for the Deceptive, Psychopathic personalities.
Nice guys are not Deceptive, their Malicious Counterparts are, and they attempt to Box these NICE guys into an isolated corner of a lack of companionship.
Ever listen to a politician speak?? How about the groups behind politicians ..their controllers???
They often portray themselves as nice and having the public interest in mind.
Edrick..you would not make a good politician though you seem to be trying here to rescue The Quiet Storm on the public purse strings...by getting the rest of us to allow TQS to politically default through.
Do you have a rescue complex?? You know..for the underdog..or what you perceive as the underdog??
TQS has a self imposed underdog status and seems to be unawares of this pattern. As I stated..they can choose to remain in the classroom. No problem by me.
Hardly... you are saying that NICE guys are Psychopathic, Deceptive, and Malicious persons.
Buy we already have scientific PROOF that women PREFER deceptive, psychopathic personalities.
So, if what you are saying is true, and these NICE guys are indeed DECEPTIVE and Psychopathic, then they would be getting more action... wouldn't they?
You are making a quantum assumption here. The first one is that women/females go by scientific proof.
They go by peer group and socialization pressures.
Experience. In this case it is often by female socialization pressures which is in and of itself a long way from scientific rationalizations.
Which would explain why TQS has problems in their results versus scientific polling analysis.
TQS and science are pissing into the wind here. Pardon the crudity but it shows in their posts.
I can assure you that most women can spot a male slug much faster than a male can spot a female slug. No matter how the slug is packaged. You don't need an expensive scientific study to determine this.
Being NICE enough to treat others with kindness doesn't automatically make you deceptive.
Stop it Edrick. "Nice" also does not make one automatically pass muster...by default. Which is that to which most of the women here are stating but in another manner.
So why do you attempt to destroy their confidence so much?
Incredible Edrick!! You are serious about this question???? I don't think you understand it any better than TQS!!??
Are you getting it Riley??
Are you sure you can pass muster here yourself Edrick?? LOL LOL..wait a minute..ok....you are being sarcastic here..right???
Bear with me here..it has been 12 hour nights all this week. Borderline burn out here. Nonetheless at face value your question here is astonishing.
Oh, ok... so what you are saying, is that anyone who is NICE, is automatically a Frail weakling with no personality, as well as a total bore?
While Riley and I disagree on many things, I don't believe this is what she is saying at all.
Frail and weakling to many women is not boring..it is unsuitable, insufficient, unable to pass muster.
This and boring are not the same thing.
While the "shopping" method and etiquette of women/females offers alot of variety in what is required...mature women know the difference..not by scientific polling or studies but by experience and peer group communications
That's quite an underhanded attack, isn't it?
Edrick,
I like to think you are grown.
Edrick,
I like to think you are grown.
I like to think that you have more than a single braincell in your head
I believe you can do better than this.
I believe that you can be smarter than this
I don't think it is an underhanded attack at all.
I don't think it is an underhanded attack at all.
I think it is those social standards or even non standards at work.
It is up to us to learn them and also learn to overcome these or determine not to play or conversely play..how much a man/male will cede or lead in playing. But either way..to be responsible for the results. Not whiny or power hungry but to Lead..always to Lead.
This world out here is a minefield for those not well grounded. It is up to us to learn. If you want to teach others ..no problem.
But the basis on which you are won't to teach here or Rescue TQS is not a good basis.
It may seem so to you..but I don't think TQS is very capable of learning or stepping outside the classroom.
In this lack..mature/intuitive women will find TQS frightful and full of warning flags.
They may be doomed to remain so in the classroom while others step out into the world and take risks, rejection, and finally success in reaching their goals in life.
Because as far as I can tell... you seem to use the word NICE as a General Attack against people who you would rather not see having relationships.
Wow Edrick. This is very imaginative on this thread. Even original..congratulations. Riley is not going to be able to help or desist in TQS's relationship problem. Riley has nothing to do with it. ..nor is responsible for any of it. TQS is carrying their own water here..not you, not me nor Riley or anyone else. Thinking people know this and can see through your tack. Astonishing.
You seem to be in the lost puppy business here. Astonishing.
Wow. I can't believe that you went there. Paris Hilton? Really?
Wow slow down there red raving rabbit person by the moniker of edrick, What do you have against paris hilton? sure she ain't the most interesting or sharpest female out there, or even close to being such, but she does have some good advice on what women really want, without all that touchy feel'y thing most females tell you when asked.
So, they DON'T EXIST, but, they DO at the same time?
Yes what is so hard to understand about that, nice guys exist and don't exist at the same time. Just thing of it as just another organism in a bowl, just trying to do its thing. Nice is just one of many of the human qualities. Some like it some don't, end of story.
Women are all about playing pretend if you have not noticed, why ruin there game, unless you have a strong reason, its just a waste of time.
Psychopathy ( /saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2]) was, until 1980, the term used for a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal.
Psychopathy seems to imply not being normal
I doubt that they think that highly of themselves, and even if they did I wouldn't classify them all as thinking like that, not all would have that option even if they wanted it.
Illusions that we share are reality, until at least reality burst there bubble reality.
Truth...Lies....all that is perspective
Bingo...reality as many know it is just a self assured reality that we know. Confidence is a fake truth that works, as long as it's not tested and probed to deeply
Booksmarts or any other way of learning is really overrated.