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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Hate to tell you, but evolution is fact. The controversy in the scientific community is its SCALE
Hilarious.
Show me one inkling of proof that Evolution is real.
Do you have a missing link?
Any fossil records?
or just THEORIES?
See. Scientific facts cannot be theoretical, because a theory has to go through the scientific method in order to become fact.
As evolution is not a fact, and only a theory - your argument is moot.
Evolution is no different than creationism as it pertains to public school curriculum.
They are both theories. One is of faith, the other is of "educated guess", neither of which are provable.
Originally posted by Torsten
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
Gotta do it....WRONG! Hinduism has a head god. Its Brahmin which is a deification of Brahma. Hehehehe.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984If you want to learn creationism, if you want to believe in ID, then please teach your children yourself. Oh and don't say we should teach both because anyone teaching both will favour one or the other, they will not be presented equally. That's a way of sneaking in religious teachers in schools, Keep ID and creationism in church, do not bring it into the school unless it's a privately funded school.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by TrailGator
Go along with it? No if you're against it then please provide evidence as to why it's wrong, sadly that evidence doesn't exist, only speculation and wishful thinking. If you start saing you shoudln't pay rax for education becuase you taught your children at home, then it's a slippery slope. Next it will be healthcare, then the police, afterall you protect your own kids who needs to pay taxes for the cops huh.
Sorry i'm not a socialist but some tax is a good thing, i don't agree with how a lot of my tax is spent but i still pay it, or at least i used ot until i got to ill to work. My point being is that i simply did what democracy was based on, i wrote to my local authorities with my concerns. You should do the same, not simply talk of how you shouldn't have to pay tax for education.
Originally posted by TrailGator
you said above that it should only be taught at home or in a privately funded school....so, my point is, why? Why should school be privately funded and I still must pay public school taxes if my children do not go there? And DO NOT equate the public school fiasco with healthcare, police and fire protection! Those are essential public safety concerns, and school does not fall into that category. The public schools - and unfortunately, too many of our colleges and universities - no longer have as their primary goal the teaching of reading and writing and mathematics, but in fact, their primary goal is to introduce our children to socialism ideas. And the teaching of evolutionary dogma plays along with that. This is the teaching that inspired Hitler and the Nazi Party. It is part and parcel with the teachings of Linen and Marx. This is fact, and Hitler said as much in his writings and speeches. Evolutionism teaches essentially that man is nothing, that man is only a lump of flesh no different from a chimpanzee except for speech or something like that, and that there is no consequences for mistreating one another. Thus the slaughter of probably 20 million people between Hitler and Stalin alone.
Biblical creation teaches that God had a purpose in all they He created, and foremost of all was man. Man has a preminent role in creation, and though he rejected God, He still loves man that He created. Enough to send His Son to die the sin debt that man should pay, but cannot. If we all just evolved from some primordial swamp ameoba, there would be no civilized societies, just primal urges and anarchy. Even the rules of your precious 'science' knows this. Nothing moves from chaos or disorder...to order. A basic rule of science.
Originally posted by TrailGator
you said above that it should only be taught at home or in a privately funded school....so, my point is, why? Why should school be privately funded and I still must pay public school taxes if my children do not go there? And DO NOT equate the public school fiasco with healthcare, police and fire protection! Those are essential public safety concerns, and school does not fall into that category.
Originally posted by TrailGator
The public schools - and unfortunately, too many of our colleges and universities - no longer have as their primary goal the teaching of reading and writing and mathematics, but in fact, their primary goal is to introduce our children to socialism ideas.
Originally posted by TrailGator
And the teaching of evolutionary dogma plays along with that. This is the teaching that inspired Hitler and the Nazi Party.
Originally posted by TrailGator
It is part and parcel with the teachings of Linen and Marx. This is fact, and Hitler said as much in his writings and speeches. Evolutionism teaches essentially that man is nothing, that man is only a lump of flesh no different from a chimpanzee except for speech or something like that, and that there is no consequences for mistreating one another. Thus the slaughter of probably 20 million people between Hitler and Stalin alone.
Originally posted by TrailGator
Biblical creation teaches that God had a purpose in all they He created, and foremost of all was man. Man has a preminent role in creation, and though he rejected God, He still loves man that He created. Enough to send His Son to die the sin debt that man should pay, but cannot.
Originally posted by TrailGator
If we all just evolved from some primordial swamp ameoba, there would be no civilized societies, just primal urges and anarchy. Even the rules of your precious 'science' knows this. Nothing moves from chaos or disorder...to order. A basic rule of science.
Originally posted by conspiriology
It is the religious implications NOT God they are scared of and why I have no idea God has no religion that I know of and endorses none that I know of. This tells me that even IF God DID in fact create all we see in nature and it were a bonafide fact, they would STILL turn to that silly idea that we evolved from goop in spite of the truth. Not in the name of Science but in the interest of their own fleshly deeds and desires fearing the same Biblical Judgement of sin whether that God would be about that or not.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Typical ignorance, and yes you are ignorant if you believe this. I happen to have fleshly lusts yep but i know people who don't. I have a friend who stayed abstinant until he married, doesn't drink at all and will often berate me for the occasional swear word i use. He's also a biochemist and an evolution believer and an atheist!
So you are basically espousing a bigoted and clearly wrong view.
Also i should maybe mention that if jesus died for our sins then i'm well within my rights to indulge those fleshly lusts as long as i pray to god, accpet him/her/it into my heart and ask for forgivness.
Gotta love that religion.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Ya know why you put the exclamation after that to tell me he is an atheist?
Because even to you,, THAT IS SURPRISING!
Most Atheists don't give a rats ass about not satisfying their every indulgence so he is unique.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Like I said pal,, your putting that exclamation point after that story about your friend telling me what a Goody goody guy he is then saying and HE IS AN ATHEIST!
Originally posted by Conspiriology
That is the exception to the rule and shows ONLY that their are such exceptions to the rule but stereotypes often fit because they ARE TRUE not necessarily having anything to do with bigotry. I am so disaffected by that word anymore around here I couldn't care less if you thought i was. So what.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
So another words, it is a get out of jail free card and you think you can pull a fast one on God that way without repentance and the heart of a child. Just sort of cheat. The thing is,, invariably when their is a genuine conversion taken place (and you would definatley know it) you wouldn't want to do those things anymore anyway. To think you can fool God is pretty ignorant of any believer or fake.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Obviously,, You don't know that religion to be able to say "gotta love that religion"
I'd have to ask,, what religion
are YOU talkin about?
Originally posted by Conspiriology
ID, Creationism, should be taught in Science or they should get rid of the phony one they got in there now that from the day Chuck Darwin invented it to piss off religious people to this day, it has been nothing but the biggest most expensive hoax ever perpetrated.
The ever lying illusion of,
evolution
1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.
A hypothesis is a working assumption.
But to a scientist a theory is a conceptual framework that explains existing observations and predicts new ones.
Originally posted by saint4God
My conclusion throughout all of this is, do not teach a mechanism unless you can fully explain it or consider all hypotheses and allow the students to decide. I prefer the latter, it is the more scientific way to approach things.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I don't just want creationism taught as that favours one religion, if you teach christian based creation then you must teach the legens of egypt and babylon, if we accept the idea that all views should be accepted until we can prove one correct as you say.
I would also agrue that evolution has predicted some thins. Like we predicted what sort of fossils we should find, and we then found those fossils. Is that not a theory put fully into practice and fufilling the requirment of prediction? We can also view an enviroment and predict which sort of organisms will live their base on the evolutionary needs of the organism for the enviroment.
[edit on 24-7-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]
I stated earlier in the thread that if all of the creation myths were taught then i'd allow it.
I would also agrue that evolution has predicted some thins. Like we predicted what sort of fossils we should find, and we then found those fossils. Is that not a theory put fully into practice and fufilling the requirment of prediction?
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
"God might have created the universe and setup the rules, but i don't think god can break the rules.
Evolution is the way i think god would do it, god would set up a system that takes care of itself rather than designing everything.
[edit on 22-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]
Originally posted by redled
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
"God might have created the universe and setup the rules, but i don't think god can break the rules.
Evolution is the way i think god would do it, god would set up a system that takes care of itself rather than designing everything.
[edit on 22-6-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]
That's the beauty of the debate. Can God keep a consistent universe yet break the rules? Here's another.
If you believe in AD, you cannot predict future genetic mutations, because God will not let you know his will. (Pure creationist stuff), so you have to model future mutations as random which all sides could agree to. This is a debate about the past and not the future and is an article of faith and not science. God has little to do with it, rather strict ideological interpretation.
"God might have created the universe and setup the rules, but i don't think god can break the rules.
Evolution is the way i think god would do it, god would set up a system that takes care of itself rather than designing everything.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
The thing is he hasn't really thought this through that is obvious for example he says:
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Does a parent make rules for his offspring that the parent doesn't follow?
Originally posted by Conspiriology
This is saying how he thinks God would do it if HE were God.
It also assumes their is some kind of efficiency to his way vs designing everything even tough his way would still be designing it that way regardless.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
You think so? I have gone through such arguements for many years, gotta love how you generalise.
Originally posted by Conspiriology
Does a parent make rules for his offspring that the parent doesn't follow?
So lets be clear, you have a go at me for comparing god to humans and then you compare a human parent to god, wow that is some serious hypocrisy. You don't seem to have thought it through as much as i have do you
No i am saying how god would be efficient, god seems to have enveloped the universe in efficiency (if god exists) and so i go by gods rules.