The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its funny how the main theme here is a Conspiracy waged by Freemasons against freedom, liberation and enlightenment. Because in actual fact, its just the other way around.

Suppression of Freemasonry

Some governments, mostly authoritarian, and virtually all totalitarian, regimes have treated Freemasonry as a potential source of opposition due to its secret nature and international connections. It has been alleged by Masonic scholars that the language used by the totalitarian regimes is similar to that used by some modern critics of Freemasonry.[1]

Basically every form of Tyranny opposed freemasonry...from religious inquisitions to the nazis to communism.

Why? Because Freemasonry promotes tolerance, education, liberation...things that oppressive regimes and bigots cannot stand.

Freemasonry was persecuted in all the communist countries

Freemasonry is illegal in most of the Islamic world. It is prohibited in all Arab countries except Lebanon and Morocco

In 1933 Hermann Goering, the Reichstag President and one of the key figures in the process of Gleichschaltung ("synchronization"), states "..in National Socialist Germany, there is no place for Freemasonry." [13]

it is estimated that between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were murdered under the Nazi regime.[20]

As masons throughout history have been involved in works of charity, goodwill, tolerance, the U.S. Constitution, progress, education, liberty,
they have no problem in countries free from oppression.

The original purpose of secrecy was to hide from tyrants and idiot-control-freaks, to get away from the noises of ignorance and meet up with like-minded people of vision and intelligence.

The basic problem with Freemasonry as a mystery religion cult is it's exclusive and self serving nature.As far as the ancient knowledge and esoteric wisdom, i am not opposed.What I am opposed to is withholding it from anyone for personal advantage.

Like any group, the most important objective is to further the agenda of the group as a whole, which in the case of freemasonry is to exercise secret control over circumstances that others have no influence to effect .
This creates the opening for corruption to enter, and of course it does and has.Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You have stated that you believe Freemasons are persecuted by oppressive political and religious regimes, and I strongly feel you are obviously wrong. Who do you think is controlling this nation's politics?
I think personally that Freemasonry has been infiltrated and driven off it's original course of human enlightenment, and now that we are reaching a time in our race's history where only a few will be able to survive what is inevitable, we are seeing the very worst and dark side of Freemasonry, as they arrange to save themselves selectively, all the while doing it with the resources and laborof those that those they intent to forsake and leave to die. yeah, that's about as bad as it gets man..

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reply to post by InterdimensionalWarrior


not to sound condescending, but do you have any real world examples of what you claim, or is it just your opinion?
Because from the inside, it sure doesn't look like that at all. In fact, it's the complete opposite.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
The basic problem with Freemasonry as a mystery religion cult is it's exclusive and self serving nature.

The basic problem with your premise is that ALL of the metaphorical, allegorical and philisophical teachings invloved in Masonry is available to anyone who is literate. Every aspect of Masonic degrees, including the 'secrets' (grips, passwords, etc) has been in the public domain from the onset of the Fraternity. Anyone can follow the teachings, the only things that differentiates Masons from non-Masons is that we have been through the degrees.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
The basic problem with Freemasonry as a mystery religion cult is it's exclusive and self serving nature. As far as the ancient knowledge and esoteric wisdom, i am not opposed. What I am opposed to is withholding it from anyone for personal advantage.

We're not that exclusive. No atheists. No convicted felons. No women. No minors. That's about it.

Like any group, the most important objective is to further the agenda of the group as a whole, which in the case of freemasonry is to exercise secret control over circumstances that others have no influence to effect .

Actually, the agenda is to teach its members moral and philosophical lessons by which they could lead better lives. There's no control agenda, and no control exercised over its members.

You have stated that you believe Freemasons are persecuted by oppressive political and religious regimes, and I strongly feel you are obviously wrong. Who do you think is controlling this nation's politics?

Certainly not Masons! There hasn't been a Freemason in the Oval Office in more than 30 years… Don't blame us if you don't like what's been happening since Ford left office.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
The basic problem with Freemasonry as a mystery religion cult is it's exclusive and self serving nature.

Freemasonry is not a religion, a cult, or self serving.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
What I am opposed to is withholding it from anyone for personal advantage.

We don't do that.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
 Like any group, the most important objective is to further the agenda of the group as a whole, which in the case of freemasonry is to exercise secret control over circumstances that others have no influence to effect.

This is not nor has it ever been our agenda.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
This creates the opening for corruption to enter, and of course it does and has.Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I have talked before on the legislative, executive, and judicial systems of Freemasonry that hinder corruption and how we deal with bad apples.

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
You have stated that you believe Freemasons are persecuted by oppressive political and religious regimes, and I strongly feel you are obviously wrong. Who do you think is controlling this nation's politics?

Zealots opposed to Freemasonry? So you're denying historical fact? Are you denying modern fact that many Islamic countries ban Freemasonry?

I'm not sure where you got to your various conclusions but they are not correct.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Yes!

We are the guardians of your freedom! And before the tyrants fool you into distroying such a truly good society you should ponder and think deeper

Originally posted by InterdimensionalWarrior
The basic problem with Freemasonry as a mystery religion cult is it's exclusive and self serving nature.

Yeah because primarily working on charities in communities for widows, orphans, people with medical conditions, etc is just the very definition of "self serving".

Also how is it exclusive? Oh yeah we don't allow people with criminal back grounds to join an organization that is in fact most often used for fund raising for charities.......how dare we exclude someone with a Felony from our organization! tsk tsk...

Masons are many things, but rarely does "self serving" every apply. Charity, and benelovence is at the very heart of every lodge.

Also what sort of Religious cult encourages you to stay active with whatever faith your already in? Every single denomination of Christianity is represented inMasonry, every deomination of Jewish faiths, Muslims, Brahmins...etc....how can any group be a religious "cult" when it promotes "freedom" of religion. The only requirement is that you beleive in a Creator, wether that falls under and established religious faith, or your own personal theology does not matter to masonry. The purpose is simply that all men who have a faith in a higher power recognize morals that exist beyond themselves. That is to say, a person who does not beleive in a higher power, has no reason not to lie, cheat steal, etc other then not wanting to be caught. A person of faith in any religion, usually beleives that their actions are answerable to a higher power.

You have managed in a single sentence to not only show a complete ignorance of Freemasonry, but to basically be the absolute complete opposite of actual masonic values. Let me fix it....

The basic value of Freemasonry as an instutution that promotes freedom of religious thought, is it's inclusive and charitable nature.

The very fact you exist in a country where you have learned to value freedom of thought, and a right to question religions is because of Freemasonry.....if not for masonry those aspects of our nation would not likely exist.

So that anti-masons have an easier time determining who their allies are:

Freemasonry is banned in Libya.

Freemasonry is banned in North Korea.

Freemasonry is banned in Pakistan.

Freemasonry is partially suppressed in Cuba.

Freemasonry is banned in Yemen.

Freemasonry is banned in Saudi Arabia.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Isn't it also banned in Iran? I know it was banned under the Saddam regime.

Interesting bringing up Cuba as last night in my boredom I was reading through the Grand Encampment Constitution and By-Laws, and it talks about the Havanna Commandery.

reply to post by KSigMason


As far as I know its banned in Iran as well as a few other countries. The list is only a sample.

The banning of Masonic orders in a nation is a bit like the canary in the mine shaft, in determining the level of tyranny. I also think it's mentioned in the "You might be a Tyrant" joke book.
(A book I believe also listed in the Vatican's 2012 "Index Librorum Prohibitorum")

That religious fundementalists/zealots , Nazi's, Communists, and modern liberalism/moral nihilism all consider us to be terrifying, I find comforting, and makes me proud.

reply to post by SantaClaus


How much do you know about the Knights of Columbus? The Elks club and their rituals....Are they evil? Was George Washington the evil professor Moriarity of his day seeking with his brothers to set up a nation in opposition to benevolent King of England???

The Fact is they are out there, the Masonic homes, Medical research facitilies and charities abound if you really look. The idea was originally if everyone knew everything about rituals, handshakes etc..it would be very easy to impersonate a mason and visit another lodge wouldn't it?

Originally posted by KSigMason

Isn't it also banned in Iran?

Yes. The Grand Lodge of Iran is in exile, and has its offices in Los Angeles.

Interesting bringing up Cuba as last night in my boredom I was reading through the Grand Encampment Constitution and By-Laws, and it talks about the Havanna Commandery.

There is a Grand Lodge of Cuba in Havana, as well as a Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree. There are also a few Chapters, Councils, and Commanderies.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
Yes. The Grand Lodge of Iran is in exile, and has its offices in Los Angeles.

I thought that was so.