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Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by BlueRaja
A) Firstly, we support pseudo-Islamic governments in Kuwait, the UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc. Trust me, they are not happy about this.
Second, we support oppression in Kasmir, Mindanao, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Xinjiang Province, Palestine, and of course the Arabian Peninsula.
B) If we are going to stop them from building weapons, WMD or otherwise, we shouldn't be giving them to their enemies. Fair? It kind of puts the battle on our front doorstep, don't you think?
C) I don't agree with their lifestyles. They don't agree with ours.
We can't keep playing these games with them. They aren't just going to Westernize because we say so. Either we bring in full force military and wage a war against the entire region, or we need to completely rethink our strategy.
Kind of just stalemating each other right now.
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by jsobecky
Is it really OK with you that the US helps an unelected, un-democratic, absolute monarchy who practice one of the more extreme versions of sharia law to stay in power?
Bush says a lot about democracy - are the saudi's exempt?
Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Isn't all of this just more propaganda to make 9/11 truth sound like a terrorist idea?
Terrorist sympathizers etc.?
This is transparent.
Originally posted by jsobecky
That is absolutely untrue. We help the Saudi monarchy to stay in power, and that's just fine with them. Of course there are wackos like bin Laden who are mortified that we dare set foot on their sacred land, but he'll just have to come into the 21st century.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Easy for you to say this, but it is unfounded. How do we support oppression in, say, Mindanao?
In the conflict zones on the island of Mindanao, refugees are everywhere.
Forced to flee from their homes, many have pitched bamboo tents along busy highways, under trees, and even inside a small mosque.
I witnessed one incident when, during a lull in the battle, a group of refugees negotiated with the soldiers to go in to harvest some corn.
One of the soldiers replied:" You are free to move around here. Just don't go too far or you might get shot."
He added that the troops had left everything on the ground exactly as they had found it.
But a short walk into the village told a different story, with 90% of houses burned to the ground.
"I don't know why this happened," one refugee said.
"The soldiers told us they did not burn any of our houses, but now that we are here, we see that our houses are burned to ashes."
Originally posted by jsobecky
Once again, unfounded. Give some examples.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Ever been to Saudi Arabia? Go there and try to buy a martini with your dinner. Then come back here and tell me that we are westernizing them against their will.
Originally posted by Sublime620
I think you may have some misconceptions. Fundamentalist Muslims (extremists, if you will) HATE Saudi Arabia.
Originally posted by Sublime620
We support Saudi Arabia. So what is untrue about that?
Originally posted by jsobecky
Easy for you to say this, but it is unfounded. How do we support oppression in, say, Mindanao?
Originally posted by Sublime620
Easy for me to say? How is it easy? It's not unfounded, it's stuff I learned from reading. They are called books, you should look into them.
Originally posted by Sublime620
We are supporting the Filipino side of this conflict, therefore, we are supporting the repression of Muslims - right or wrong.
Capiche?
Originally posted by jsobecky
Once again, unfounded. Give some examples.
Originally posted by Sublime620
This was about us sanctioning Muslims states from attaining weapons. You are saying it's unfounded? I don't even need a book to tell me that. Really, becky? Really?
You can look that one up yourself.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Ever been to Saudi Arabia? Go there and try to buy a martini with your dinner. Then come back here and tell me that we are westernizing them against their will.
Originally posted by Sublime620
I don't even know what that has to do with it. Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with this other than we support them. We support them, and extremists Muslims HATE the Saudi state. Hate it.
[edit on 10-4-2008 by Sublime620]
Originally posted by Sublime620
No, good point. That's why I posted this. The other person who reported this article did it just to post an article.
Originally posted by Sublime620
Just in case becky wants to say that Muslims hating the Saudi state is "unfounded", here is the best proof I can give off a 2 sec google search:
Bin Laden Identifies Saudi Arabia as the Enemy
Focus on Saudi Arabia – an interview with Osama Bin Laden
And that's just the titles copied word for word. I won't even get into the things he said.
[edit on 10-4-2008 by Sublime620]
[edit on 10-4-2008 by Sublime620]
That is absolutely untrue. We help the Saudi monarchy to stay in power, and that's just fine with them. Of course there are wackos like bin Laden who are mortified that we dare set foot on their sacred land, but he'll just have to come into the 21st century.
Originally posted by jsobecky
That's not what I was responding to. I was referring to Blue Raja's correct statement that
we are not in those countries against their will.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Fundamentalist extremist Islamics hate everything. So what? Are we supposed to form our foreign policy to fit their feelings?
Originally posted by jsobecky
No need to get pissy because your position is being challenged.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Your view of the Phillipines is distorted, and 180 degrees out of whack. The Phillipines are a haven of muslim terrorism. We are assisting the Phillipine gov't in rousting them out. We are not "oppressing muslims".
Originally posted by jsobecky
In other words, you don't have an answer to the question: which muslim states are we sanctioning from attaining weapons?
But it sure sounds good when you spout baseless rhetoric about the big bad USA, doesn't it?
The United States imposed weapons sanctions in the 1990s after it found out about Pakistan's secret nuclear bomb program. But then came Sept. 11 and the war in Afghanistan. Pakistan became our new best friend, and the sanctions were lifted.
Other equipment Pakistan is getting from the United States—navy surveillance planes, for example—is similarly useless against a guerrilla insurgency. They would, of course, be useful in a war against India.
The majority of questions Pakistani journalists asked in the show's press conferences were centered around one theme: "Can this help us beat India?"
Originally posted by jsobecky
It was meant to expose your very limited knowledge of the area.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Don't ever presume to know what my motives are for doing anything. And "Something smells fishy" is not a good enough reason to break the rules of posting in BAN. You also broke the rule of posting a BREAKING NEWS article - not 3 days later.
The Intent of the "Breaking Alternative News Forum" is to provide a single-source place to post relevant articles from other sources that are less than 48 hours hold. By relevant we mean topics that related to the "conspiracy theory" and "alternative topics" themes of the AboveTopSecret.com forums. Many of the threads we see in the first to pages of the "Breaking Alternative News Forum" should have been started in other forums on ATS or AbovePolitics.
Bro, is this guy gay? What's up with his fetish of animal urine and breastmilk? I think he drank too much of it or had too many golden showers.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Fundamentalist extremist Islamics hate everything. So what? Are we supposed to form our foreign policy to fit their feelings?
Originally posted by Sublime620
I guess that depends on what our goals are. Is our goal to not get attacked? Then, yes.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Your view of the Phillipines is distorted, and 180 degrees out of whack. The Phillipines are a haven of muslim terrorism. We are assisting the Phillipine gov't in rousting them out. We are not "oppressing muslims".
Originally posted by Sublime620
You missed the right or wrong part, didn't you? I understand what the Filipinos are facing. That's not the point.
The point is that, once again, we are supporting radical Islams enemies, and then we act surprised that they hate us.