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Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
It's really not "RF chips in the brain" at all.
It's like any other untethered rat stimulator (or bird for that matter) that I've ever seen. They have a little backpack/harness with the goodies in, and the heads have been fitted out with a set of electrodes. There's a connector on top of the rat's head, and a cable to the backpack.
Most times with birds they put the electrodes in the balance signals from the ear, in this one it looks like they give the rat a tweak in the whiskers as a signal. The rats are conditioned to respond to it in a Skinner box sort of setup. In this one, they added something extra in the way of a nucleus accumbens reward system stimulator. Sort of like giving the rat a crack rock for doing as told. There will be some sort of camera in the backpack for out-of-lab runs.
It's not like it's "mind control", although the articles often imply it. More like teaching Fido some voice commands and putting a cell phone on his collar.
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
Ok it is a chip that is contolled by radio frequency.
You don't just wake up one day and build a device to control minds. There obviously has to be a beginning stage of the projects, and this certainly looks like it. They aren't teaching the rats anything. They do not retain this knowledge.
Originally posted by massexodus
Bull#.
It is in fact mind control. The rats heads were opened up and the wires in their head from a circuit board on their backs and execute any command input by keyboard.
Signals are sent to their brain that make them feel happy to follow these forced orders. There's an actual photo of a rat like this not shown in the linked article. It's kinda graphic and gave me the willies years ago.
They demonstrated the technology in its perfected form in the Manchurian Candidate with Denzel Washington (using a single chip in the brain).
I believe they have successfully done this to monkeys as well. One comment I remember was how scientists were getting the chimps to stop what they were naturally doing on command everytime and had them do things involuntarily like smile at the controller. They also responded with finding it creepy, as it made the subject behave like a drone.
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
When people try to tell me it's not mind control I laugh to myself. Their defense is that it's not putting thoughts in people's heads, just electrical signals.....HELLO people, thats pretty much all the brain does, it sends electrical signals.
Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
Really, you're off base. It's a stock set of radio chips and a little op-amp circuit to deliver a current. I could design you one myself.
Brain stimulation and ablation of brain areas to change behavior is not new, you get a lot of it in behavioral psych at any really good university.
Before you knee-jerk a reply you should go investigate Skinner boxing and operant conditioning, I would suspect you could find a lot of scientifically accurate online info on animal brain stimulation for behavioral control as well.
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
NO THANKS.
It's not what it is that scares, me it's what this technology will eventually evolve into that does scare me.
Before you tell me how I should post, type skinner boxing into yahoo or google.....nothing comes up.
As for operant conditioning, thats the method they are using now. What happens down the road? Technology does evolve.
No matter how you slice this, you will never convince me a chip in my head will be good. For every good use this technology brings, two evil ones come with it.
Originally posted by massexodus
The experiment, conducted last year in Cordova, Spain, by Dr. Delgado of Yale University's School of Medicine, was probably the most spectacular demonstration ever performed of the deliberate modification of animal behavior through external control of the brain.
External control of the brain isn't mind control?
Originally posted by The Cyfre
Today, however, deep brain stimulation techniques are not able to necessarily control you in ways other than your emotions. This means that while an electrical impulse applied directly to a certain area of the brain can result in feelings of happiness, or even laughter, it cannot force you to kill specific people, or any of the things we should really be apprehensive about.
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
Before you tell me how I should post, type skinner boxing into yahoo or google.....nothing comes up.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Oopsie
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
Before you tell me how I should post, type skinner boxing into yahoo or google.....nothing comes up.
Try typing "Skinner box" instead.
Rather surprising that someone concerned about 'mind control' doesn't know what a Skinner box is.
As for me, I can't wait for my chip.
[edit on 8-6-2007 by Astyanax]
Originally posted by AcesInTheHole
So either do what they want, or you die. Sounds a bit like torture as well.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
How about extreme pain, that will make you do things against your will. I am sure a way will be found to cause more pain than the physical body could muster.
Dangerous waters are being crossed...
IMHO