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Originally posted by sweftl337
A wise man knows when best to hold his egoism in check so at best not to reveal too much about himself. Perhaps you assume too much about my experience in the occult:
Masonic Light you are no more than a brief, lying picture formed by your own illusions. You are as but a mirror that appears to have something of Spirit,
Originally posted by Cug
Well duh. Stupidly in numbers does not make it less stupid.
You wont accept my answers so why bother? But I'll give you a hint. Thelema.
OK so how would you respond if someone pointed out things about those groups that have nothing to do with your system and then proceded to claim they applied to you? I'd wager it be close to what I did here. A is not B.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Actually that's not true. In fact, there have been plenty: Socrates, Plato, Virgil, Catalus, etc. were all homosexuals, and Adepts of the Mysteries.
The true Mysteries never discriminated against homosexuals.
In fact, there were homosexual myths in the Mysteries, such as Zeus and Ganymede, Set and Horus, etc.
Occult Medicine and Practical Magic
"...To despise the woman, who is truly the best that man has, the most beautiful creature which life has granted, is a work of eunuchs, a work of masturbators, a work of Sodomites. Woman converts man into an omnipotent God, who is capable of shaking the earth and unleashing lightning and tempests in the whole universe.
"The “mystics” of Theosophy, the "Rosicrucian Order", and Spiritism were naming us as materialists. These offensive ones believed themselves to be super-transcendental and they forgot that nothing can exist, not even God, without the help of matter. Sex is repulsive to them, but from where are they coming from? Who enrolled them in the school of life...?
"Know then that the Initiation was not made for abnormal ones. Get ye hence, you eunuchs, sodomites, physically and morally decrepit ones...! Get ye hence, you fornicating spiritualists! Get ye hence, you classroom tyrants!
The Altar of the Initiation can only be approached by the true man and by the true woman..." - Samael Aun Weor
Originally posted by Tamahu
Originally posted by sweftl337
Check out how brilliant an idea it was for the Satanists to have actually placed this on their website years ago.
Just a small taste: See the mention of Negative Tiphareth and Negative Yesod?
That's Asmodeus and Chavajoth and of course all the other little buggers. I think you know as well I as do what is needed to reach these degrees...
quote: XIII�: Highpriest I ((negative)Daath). Works pure magic and gnosticism, explores the abstract worlds on the backside of the tree of life. myst. mas. degrees 90�-93�.
XIV�: Highpriest II (negative Tiphareth). Works homosexual-magic or abstract or symbolic logic that deals with backside of the tree of life. equvalent to the office of Bishop.
XV�: Patriarch-Grand Conservator (negative Yesod). Achieves the last steps of wisdom and unity. myst. mas. degrees 94�-97�.
XVI�: Hierophant-Grand Conservator (negative Yesod). Achieves greatest possible magical control.
Yep, all the way down to Javhe.
Well, I don't know specifically how they reach them, but the gist of how to is clear:
Asmodeus and Chavajoth
Inverted Kether:
Demon: Javhe.
Vice: Despotism.
Samael Aun Weor stated:
"Javhe was a venerable Master from the White Brotherhood, a glorious Angel from previous Maha-Manvantaras..."
Inverted Tiphereth:
Demon: Asmodeus.
Vice: Triumph of the Beast (Egocentrism: complete oblivion of the Spirit).
Samael Aun Weor stated:
"Asmodeus, brother of Andrameleck, two resplendent Thrones from the starry heaven of Urania, also fallen into animal generation..."
Inverted Yesod:
Demon: Chavajoth.
Vice: Lust.
Samael Aun Weor stated:
"On one side of a road we met a Solemn, Olympic Sculpture. It seemed to have been carved by Praxiteles! Its face was similar to that of the Greek Apollo. The curvature of its feet, the profile of its hands..., the entire eurhythmy of that sculpture, could compete with the Venus of Milo!
Nevertheless... there was something strange on that very beautiful sculpture!...
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I really couldn't care less about homosexuality; personally, I play for home team, and dig chicks exclusively.
But you seem all hung up on the gay thing. I don't think that's healthy at all.
As for the Muslims, in their traditional culture, homosexuality was practiced widely,
as in classical Greece, the bosom of the Mysteries.
There are two forms of reasoning: Objective and Subjective.
"Objective Reasoning was developed before the Greco-Roman period emerged.
The primeval Aryans of the first sub-race of the great Aryan Root Race (which flourished in Central Asia) had developed it. The people of the second sub-race (prior to the period of the solar Rishis) possessed it. The Egyptians of the ancient Dynasties of the Pharaohs, the Babylonians, the sages of Afghanistan, Turkestan and Iraq also used it.
This type of reasoning practically ended with Greek reasoning. The Greeks were the ones who began to play with words and ended up establishing the Subjective Reasoning based on external sensory perceptions, thus drowning out the Objective Reasoning, eliminating it from the face of the Earth.
Since then, humanity only possesses subjective reasoning, external sensory perceptions, the data provided through the five senses." - The Aquarian Message
It's never been considered a very big deal by anyone until puritanism came along.
As for "blasphemy", every time I hear that word I want to laugh.
The Pistis Sophia
Bartholomew said, “A man who hath intercourse with a male, what is his vengeance?”
Jesus said, “The measure of the man who hath intercourse with males and of the man with whom he lieth, is the same as that of the blasphemer.
The Pistis Sophia
Jesus said, “If the time of such an one is completed through the sphere, the Receivers of Yaldabaoth come after him and bind him by his tongue to a great demon with a horse’s face; they spend three days travelling round with him in the world, and take vengeance on him.
“Thereafter they lead him into the region of the cold and of the snow, and take vengeance on him there eleven years.
“Thereafter they lead him down into the chaos before Yaldabaoth and his forty-and-nine demons, and every one of his demons taketh vengeance on him another eleven years.
“Thereafter they lead him into the outer darkness until the day when the great Ruler with the dragon’s face who encircleth the darkness, shall be judged. And that soul becometh frozen up[?] and destroyed and dissolved.
As Nietzsche once noted, the only real blasphemy is ignoring the truth.
Arcanum 17
...And then from around age 14 we enter into the regency of the third planet, which is Venus. This is when our heart begins to blossom. Suddenly we discover the opposite sex - but most notably, we notice we enter into the development of ourselves as a sexual creature: our voices change. The energies which previously were developing all the skills of the body and then developing the skills of the mind, begin to develop the powers of the heart, but those powers are illuminated through the power of sex. In other words, the sexual forces begin to be influenced by Venus, who changes our voice through “Peh,” our mouth. We see an Intimate relationship between Venus, the heart and the mouth. In the gospels the master Jesus spoke often of this. He said:
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good, for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. – Matthew 12:34
What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean. – Mathew 15:11
Truly what emerges from our mouth, this door, reflects our inner state. Reflects the contents of our heart and mind. This is why in the Book of James the apostle emphasizes with great clarity the necessity to control the tongue:...
It has nothing to do with one's sexual preference.
Concerning the philosophical Adepti, especially Plato and Socrates, their homosexuality is well documented.
See Plato's "Phaedrus".
It is said that the only reason that Aristitle did not become chair of the Academy on Plato's death was because he was NOT homosexual.
Originally posted by Tamahu
This is rediculous.
First off, I forgot to mention that in the Kemetian Myth, it was Set(Satan) who was into that gay stuff.
Laugh all you want...
If you want to oppose the Christ, and slander the Platonists who did not oppose the Christ, then that's up to you.
But don't think that we don't see you.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Set wasn't caricatured into Satan until much later, but that's beside the point. There has always been homosexuality in religious symbolism.
I intend to. Isn't Zen, after all, nothing but blasphemy and laughter?
"A thoroughgoing enlightenment, however, is attained only only through the most self-sacrificing application of the mind(the Consciousness rather), supported by an inflexible faith in the finality of Zen ." - D.T. Suzuki
"When Shuko (Chu-hung) of the Ming dynasty was writing a book on the ten laudable deeds of of a monk, one of those self-assertive fellows came to him, saying:
"What is the use of writing such a book when in Zen there is not even the atom of a thing to be called laudable or not-laudable?"
Shuko answered, "The five aggregates (skandha) are entangling, and the four elements (mahahuta) grow rampant, and how can you say there are no evils?"
The monk still insisted, "The four elements are ultimately all empty and the five aggreates have no reality whatever."
Shuko, giving him a slap in the face, said "So many are mere learned ones; you are not the real thing yet; give me another answer."
But the monk made no answer and started to go away filled with angry feelings.
"There", said the master smilingly, "why don't you wipe the dirt off your own face?"
In the study of Zen, the power of an all-illuminating insight must go hand in hand with a deep sense of humility and meekness of heart"
Oh come on Tam. You can quote the spaced out ramblings of pseudo-Gnostics all you want, it still won't change the facts of history. The anti-gay stuff is precisely how we know that your great SAW is a Black Adept. Any "teacher" who teaches such intolerance is a wolf in sheep's clothing: Satan disguising himself as an angel of light.
But you don't see it, Tamahu. All you see are Zionists and homos.
Originally posted by interestedalways
Maybe mainstream, watered down, ineffective Christainity needs to be attacked.
I still believe that the written word recorded in the Bible contain many seeds of truth I find it to be so obscured that the person without the key is unable to make it work for them.
MYTH AND MADNESS IN THE HOLY BOOKS
A little explanation on why I believe Bibles and Qurans aren't meant (or weren't) for the public - including clergymen and theologians who are equally blind as are the savage masses.
First, less than 1% of the people could read and write. So obviously they weren't written with Joe Six Pack in mind. there were no printing presses. Special scribes meticulously made copies on parchment, lambskin, leaves, clay etc.
The scriptures were written as like cliff notes for the psycho-spiritual-scientific wisdom of particular schools and thus utilized the codes of those schools (as well as tribal codes and universal codes).
Those scrolls (scriptures) were intended to be secret and thus, when written, they were scrupulously hidden -- in caves, under boulders, etc.
It was believed essential that each student (initiate or under grad) also have access to a guru/master (professor) to help. Thus, lots of material was left out of the texts.
Language differences as well as spiritual or mystical language made translation very difficult.
Scriptural knowledge is so powerful that absent proper guidance it can mess people up, drive them crazy. Look at the people in the Bible Belt.
Because Scripture speaks on so many levels, it is ludicrous to use it to justify bias. Take the passage that has troubled so many women - Eve's "tempting" of Adam. On a scriptural science level, it isn't even talking about physical men and women...
Tamahu
quote: A little explanation on why I believe Bibles and Qurans aren't meant (or weren't) for the public - including clergymen and theologians who are equally blind as are the savage masses.
First, less than 1% of the people could read and write. So obviously they weren't written with Joe Six Pack in mind. there were no printing presses. Special scribes meticulously made copies on parchment, lambskin, leaves, clay etc.
The scriptures were written as like cliff notes for the psycho-spiritual-scientific wisdom of particular schools and thus utilized the codes of those schools (as well as tribal codes and universal codes).
Those scrolls (scriptures) were intended to be secret and thus, when written, they were scrupulously hidden -- in caves, under boulders, etc.
It was believed essential that each student (initiate or under grad) also have access to a guru/master (professor) to help. Thus, lots of material was left out of the texts.
Language differences as well as spiritual or mystical language made translation very difficult.
Scriptural knowledge is so powerful that absent proper guidance it can mess people up, drive them crazy. Look at the people in the Bible Belt.
Because Scripture speaks on so many levels, it is ludicrous to use it to justify bias. Take the passage that has troubled so many women - Eve's "tempting" of Adam. On a scriptural science level, it isn't even talking about physical men and women...
Originally posted by Tamahu
And it has always been the personification of evil that is portrayed as the one with male on male intentions(or female on female, in the case of Lilith).
This is why I don't blame sweft for calling you a Satanist.
In these forums, you've been supporting the following:
Anti-Christian attitudes.
Anti-Islamic attitudes.
Black Magic(like Aleister Crowley and Donald Michael Kraig).
Homosexuality.
Marxism.
Racist remarks about indigenous peoples.
Zionism.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
So? I mean, who cares? Are we to believe that such an enlightened one such as yourself believes that any important truths can be discovered through name-calling?
To begin with, you're damn right that I've championed tolerance and understanding over irrational and superstitious bigotry masquerading as some sort of divine enlightenment. And I will continue to do so. ATS is about denying ignorance, not promoting it.
The Aquarian Message
...Jezebel is the satanic mind that does not want to repent of its evil deeds. The times of the end have arrived and Jezebel, along with all who commit adultery with her, will be cast into a bed of pain.
The dwellers of the earth have committed adultery with Jezebel, as well as the potentates of gold and silver, the vultures of war, and the intellectuals who abhor the Eternal One...
..."And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."
Now is the time when the true men will be known! Now is the time when we will know who is who!
Now, the learned ignoramuses will bite the dust. The authoritative know- it alls of some schools of villains (skeptics and cynics) will swallow mud.
Therefore, these false prophets will show their shame within the abyss among the failures. Let the earth tremble! Let the wolf of the Law howl! Now is the time when we will know the true men, and the time when we will see many crying like harlots! The time for considerations has ended!
Therefore, those who killed the Prophets will find themselves naked. Those who were applauded by the Great Harlot will drink a very bitter bile. These barbarians gave the Saints hemlock mingled with honey to drink. Now the Law will strike them with scorpions.
Let the catastrophe come! This is the time when we will know who is who! Now, the true men will be known!
"And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
"And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found (because they were swallowed by the earth)."
Thus, this is what the Great Harlot is worthy of! The Saints said what they had to say... ...now, let the tragedy come! The hour of the Great Cataclysm has come! Let the Law come! Let the hurricane howl! Let the earth tremble! The time for waiting is over, it has already passed!
Now.... let tragedy come!
Thus, this is how the Avatar of Aquarius speaks...
...The tower of Babel will fall fulminated and from all of this, Great Babylon (humanity) will not remain not even one stone upon the other.
Originally posted by Tamahu
Perhaps sweft was just calling it as it is.
How is being a racist, Anti-Christian, Anti-Islamic supporter of Zionism(war mongers and racists against Arabs and Palestinians) any form of tolerance?