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Originally posted by Xeros
Southpaw11, I deliberateley did not vote for Frozenthought to be banned when I could of to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think that it is false and misleading account yes but indeed I do not know. So I have to agree with you on some respects. Springer can tell you the rest, as I'm sure that he's more than qualified/experienced in reserving judgement on matters like this.
Originally posted by TKainZero
Thanks for makings this obvious thread that is airplanes evendent that this is not an enterplanaetery space craft landing in the lake.
Mabye now it will die
Originally posted by ShAuNmAn-X
Can the mods please lock this thread? It's been debunked past any hopes of resurrection. Granted I think it should be kept around for information purposes but is there really anything else relevant that can be added to this hoax?
Originally posted by ShAuNmAn-X
Can the mods please lock this thread?
Originally posted by Southpaw11
Could somebody address my question?
I mean... if a CRIME had been committed, and the investigation team thought they had it licked, and then a VALID question came up that required you to rethink it, then what do you do?
a) Shelf it. Forget about it. Doesn't matter anyway.
b) Reconsider the entire thing with the additional information
Which?
Has anyone looked at the reflection ON THE WATER when the camera is switched to NIGHTVISION? If ENDS at a relatively close range. What of the motion of the ROUND "airplanes"... oh yeah... it must be ALL "lights", right?
Seriously...
The reflection. Who accounted for it? Where is their assessment? I didn't see it. I saw some GREAT work on the imagery of the anomolies... but I didn't see anything about the reflection that just *poof* disappears... Did I miss it?
SPout
Originally posted by ShAuNmAn-X
I didn't happen to see the reflection on the water but if theres one heres some ways to look at it.
1. Aircraft landing lights are a flood beam focused to the front of the aircraft, of course it would shine on the ground or water closer to the camera.
2. The line of sight from the camera to the water is at an angle slso the line of sight from the plane to the water is at an angle this causes some distortion between the light's position in the air and it's reflection on the water. You can try this at a lake or an outdoor swimming pool when the moon's up. look at the water and look at the moon. The reflection is going to appear to be closer to you than the moons point in the sky. I'll even upload a drawing of it if you'd like.
BTW I'm not retracting my statement that this should be locked. No matter what anyone says you're not going to listen to them, we have that established already. This thread is as good as dead in my point of view and it needs to be locked so it doesn't keep floating to the top of the board.
Originally posted by torsion
What became ultimately interesting about this thread was not the video itself but the psychological profile of Frozenthought:
The friendly attitude when the video is first posted -
The disappointment shown when some people question the footage-
As serious doubt about the video's validity is shown he tries to re-ignite interest with a false promise of providing even better 'mind-blowing' video -
The evidence against the video continues to build up so a distraction story of a mysterious physical attack against himself is added out of left field-
This fails to generate any sympathy so he resorts to attacking the credibility of those providing the proof that we see nothing other than aircraft-
On realising he is up for a ban a desperate attempt is made to gather support-
And a final last gasp of doomed self-pity comes when, knowing the game is up, he ups the ante again and claims to have been abducted and experimented upon by extraterrestrials!
The whole thread gives valuable insight into the lengths a hoaxer will go in order to deceive people. It should be preserved as a benchmark case.
Originally posted by Southpaw11
My problem is this:
IF these birds are on final to ANYWHERE, then they have got to be pretty close to touching down, right? That means that you would also expect those same birds to come into view eventually... yet... they DON'T.
Also, along this line, if the argument has been made that they are miles and miles and miles away... I think I saw as many as "30 miles range"... would they be on FINAL APPROACH?!?!?
IF these are aircraft, then who has come and confirmed these birds are actually in an approach pattern. If they are, then what happened during the nightvision section? They didn't KEEP FOLLOWING EACH OTHER. WHY? Are they not both going to the same place, by the theory that AXED this thread?