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Originally posted by grover
Did you see that pending post that EXXON now accepts global warming. Mow maybe that will shut Muaddib up....nah, won't happen. He's still looking for WMD as well.
Real report under wraps
By DR. TIM BALL, GUEST COLUMNIST
We are told hundreds of scientists played a role in writing the UN climate science report released last week. We are also told it proves that scientists agree -- human release of carbon dioxide is the primary cause of climate change and a catastrophe looms.
Fortunately, this is nonsense.
The report just released is merely the 'Summary for Policymakers,' an executive summary of the main report that no one outside a select group sworn to secrecy knows the contents of until May.
Why would the main report and its summary not be issued together?
According to official IPCC procedures, the main science report shall be modified after publication of the summary, so as to "ensure consistency with" the summary. But surely it is the summary that should be edited to reflect the contents of the science report it is supposedly summarizing.
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To understand why the IPCC does this, Canadians need to appreciate that the summary is not a scientifically neutral document. It is written to fulfill political objectives in support of carbon dioxide-reduction negotiations.
IPCC lead author and NRSP Allied Scientist Prof. Richard Lindzen, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains: The summary "represents a consensus of government representatives (many of whom are also their nations' Kyoto representatives), rather than of scientists."
Lindzen also reveals that the summary had the input of not hundreds of IPCC scientists, but only about 30. The creation of the final version was conducted by a plenary session composed primarily of bureaucrats and representatives of environmental and industrial organizations.
This unorthodox reporting procedure led to the "Chapter 8 controversy" in 1995, in which significant and unwarranted modification of the IPCC science report was known to have been made before it was issued, so as to conform to the summary.
The fact many scientists were involved in reviewing the science report to be released in the spring does not necessarily mean these scientists agree with the report. NRSP Allied Scientist Dr. Madhav Khandekar was an official reviewer of parts of the document that related to his specialty (extreme weather) and has revealed the IPCC ignored his comments entirely.
NRSP Science Advisory Committee member, Dr. Vincent Gray, also an official IPCC reviewer, speaks about his own experience: "They sometimes take notice of your comments. They don't take much notice of mine because most of the time I don't agree with what they are saying. It is not like the scientific press, where you are supposed to answer objections; they don't bother to answer objections; they go their own way."
Originally posted by Muaddib
Again, the question stands. Why is it that governments like China, and India among others, are not asked to control their emissions of greenhouse gaes, knowing full well that China in 2009, will be surpassing U.S. in greenhouse gas emissions?....
[edit on 9-2-2007 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by Muaddib
Of course pollution of the environment is not good, and being responsible towards the environment should always be part of our development as a spieces, but it is not as easy as it sounds.
The fact is, Climate Change does happen all the time. For the most part, the history of the Earth has been chaotic, with only some periods when mankind was able to thrive.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Some of the ways we can assure that as many people on Earth will have food to feed themselves whenever any major changes happen, would be to grow food underground, or to store enough seeds to plant them later after these changes have happened.
All those billions of dollars which have been used to try to blame mankind for the current Climate Change we are going through, should have been spent on storing seeds, building underground greenhouses, or even both. In this way our food sources do not get devastated by any major changes in Climate.
From source thread link
The seed vault will be built 120m (364ft) inside a mountain on Spitsbergen, one of four islands that make up Svalbard.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Temporary, or even long term underground cities should also be taken into consideration. It might sound too far-fetched and unrealistic, but it is not, and that would be one of the few ways we can avoid certain calamities without leaving the planet.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Those are some of the contigencies which we should be working on, instead of spending billions of dollars on bickering back and forth.
At the end, the only sure way to avoid any major Climate Changes, is to leave the planet, and even being able to leave the solar system. Of course, it will take a longer period of time for us as a species to be able to come up with the technology that will allow us to leave the planet, but in time we will have to do it.
The Underground City
Beneath the ancient city of Beijing, an underground city of definite proportions has already begun to emerge. There are factories, stores, guesthouses, restaurants, hospitals, schools, theaters, reading-rooms, a roller skating rink, a grain and oil warehouse, and a mushroom cultivation farm. These underground production and service facilities cover a total area of 850,000 square meters and make use of more than 1,000 anti-air raid structures.
The 4TH “UNDERGROUND CITY 2007” International Exhibition
With the organizational support of: Russian Tunnelling Association
A traditional annual event to demonstrate experience in the development of the underground space for the creation of city infrastructure, solution of urgent issues of the development of large cities, increase of the investment attractiveness of multi-purpose underground complexes.
Exhibition Sections:
Investment projects
Projects of facilities construction implemented in the development of the underground space in Moscow, other Russian cities and abroad. Projects of future underground complexes
Construction of tunnels for expressways and engineering networks using new methods
Technologies of construction of underground city complexes and city tunnels (building envelopes, foundation and pile engineering, soil densification, water drainage and pumping, new methods of construction of tunnels for engineering networks, drilling and blasting operations)
New subway lines in combination with underground city facilities (Moscow-City and others)
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Originally posted by LogansRun
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driving species to extinction
Originally posted by LogansRun
dumping hundreds of tons of polluted materials into the ocean, causing entire "dead" zones where nothing can live - I belive this is the biggest damage done from man as we get most of our breathing air from ocean algae - if I remember this correctly.
Published: 09:09, January 09, 2007
Japanese scientists discover huge undersea lava plateau
A team of Japanaese scientists said Tuesday they had discovered one of the world's biggest lava plateaus under the Indian Ocean, using an unmanned undersea probe they developed.
The plateau is located in the so-called Mid Ridge in the Indian Ocean below a point 800 kilometers (500 miles) east of Mauritius, said Professor Tamaki Ura, director of the University of Tokyo's Underwater Technology Research Center.
"This is presumed to be not only the biggest lava plateau in the Indian Ocean but also one of the biggest in the world," Ura said. "The vehicle also spotted hydrothermal eruptions on the northern part."
The flat plateau measures about 14 kilometers (8.8 miles) in length and 2.7 kilometers (1.7 miles) in width at a depth of about 2,700 meters (8,860 feet), according to the team from the university.
Ura said the plateau was covered with lava some 300 meters (980 feet) thick.
Source: University Of California - Davis
Date: August 30, 2006
Greenhouse Methane Released From Ice Age Ocean
Science Daily — Periods of warming temperatures during the last ice age triggered the release of methane from beneath the ocean, according to U.S. and French researchers. Once in the atmosphere, the methane would have acted as a heat-trapping greenhouse gas.
"This is a new source of methane which has not been looked at before," said Tessa Hill, now assistant professor of geology at UC Davis and at the university's Bodega Marine Laboratory.
Off the California coast -- and elsewhere around the world -- natural petroleum seeps release oil, tar and gas into the bottom of the ocean. Some methane gas finds its way to the surface, while the tar sinks back to the bottom.
Gas escaping from ocean floor may drive global warming
(Santa Barbara, Calif.) -- Gas escaping from the ocean floor may provide some answers to understanding historical global warming cycles and provide information on current climate changes, according to a team of scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara. The findings are reported in the July 20 on-line version of the scientific journal, Global Biogeochemical Cycles.
Source: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: September 8, 2006
Siberian Lakes Burp 'Time-bomb' Greenhouse Gas
Science Daily — Frozen bubbles in Siberian lakes are releasing methane, a greenhouse gas, at rates that appear to be “... five times higher than previously estimated” and acting as a positive feedback to climate warming, said Katey Walter, in a paper published today in the journal Nature.
Scientists: Recurring 'Dead Zone' off Oregon is Spreading, Suggests New Trend
Corvallis, Oregon (Jul 27, 2006 16:19 EST) A hypoxic "dead zone" has formed off the Oregon Coast for the fifth time in five years, according to researchers at Oregon State University.
A fundamental new trend in atmospheric and ocean circulation patterns in the Pacific Northwest appears to have begun, scientists say, and apparently is expanding its scope beyond Oregon waters.
This year for the first time, the effect of the low-oxygen zone is also being seen in coastal waters off Washington, researchers at OSU and the Olympic Coast National Marine Sanctuary indicate.
April 5, 2001
Web posted at: 6:28 p.m. EDT (2228 GMT)
SILVER SPRING, Maryland (CNN) -- Scientists are monitoring what they say appears to be an underwater eruption in the Pacific Ocean about 100 miles off the coast of Oregon and California.
The event was detected by the Navy's Sound Surveillance System, an underwater network of hydrophone arrays originally installed nearly 50 years ago for use in antisubmarine warfare, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said Thursday.
Swarm of Small Quakes off Oregon Coast
posted: 05 March 2005
10:07 am ET
NEWPORT, Ore. (AP) _ An earthquake "swarm'' that began last weekend has resulted in thousands of small earthquakes off the Oregon coast in recent days but the size of the quakes did not pose any tsunami threat, officials said.
Scientists from Oregon State University said they are joining National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration researchers on Saturday for a cruise to investigate a site on the undersea Juan de Fuca Ridge northwest of Astoria called the Endeavor segment.
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"We suspect what happened was that magma pushed up into the crust and the lava may have broken the surface,'' Dziak said.
Record hotspot found underwater
Scientists working in the southern Atlantic Ocean have found a 407 °C hydrothermal vent, the hottest yet known on an ocean floor. Expedition leader Andrea Koschinsky of International University in Bremen , Germany , and her team found the hydrothermal vent just south of the Equator on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at a depth of 2,990 metres.
The Fiery Face of the Arctic Deep
The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its deep valleys 5,500 meter beneath the sea surface and its 5,000 meter high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than the Alps. This is the site of seafloor spreading that is actively separating Europe from North America, and was the goal of the international expedition AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition) with two research icebreakers, the "USCGC Healy" from USA and the German "PFS Polarstern". Aboard were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and other international institutions. The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would exhibit "anemic" magmatism. Instead, surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the West and the East of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges were found. These results require a fundamental rethinking of the mechanisms of seafloor generation at midocean ridges (Nature, January 16 and June 26).
November 04, 2004
Iceland volcano affects flights
A spectacular volcanic eruption beneath Iceland’s biggest glacier has spewed a column of ash and gas more than seven miles into the air, forcing airlines to divert flights to avoid the blast.
Originally posted by LogansRun
pumping thousands of tons of particulates into the atmosphere (more than just co2): mercury, lead, co2, carbon monoxide, etc...
Originally posted by LogansRun
an unreal amount of garbage and waste we bury in our landfills
Man-made climate change may be happening at a far slower rate than has been claimed, according to controversial new research.
Scientists say that cosmic rays from outer space play a far greater role in changing the Earth's climate than global warming experts previously thought.
In a book, to be published this week, they claim that fluctuations in the number of cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere directly alter the amount of cloud covering the planet.
High levels of cloud cover blankets the Earth and reflects radiated heat from the Sun back out into space, causing the planet to cool.
Henrik Svensmark, a weather scientist at the Danish National Space Centre who led the team behind the research, believes that the planet is experiencing a natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere.
This, he says, is responsible for much of the global warming we are experiencing.
He saw from compilations of weather satellite data that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars. More cosmic rays, more clouds. The sun’s magnetic field bats away many of the cosmic rays, and its intensification during the 20th century meant fewer cosmic rays, fewer clouds, and a warmer world. On the other hand the Little Ice Age was chilly because the lazy sun let in more cosmic rays, leaving the world cloudier and gloomier.
The only trouble with Svensmark’s idea — apart from its being politically incorrect — was that meteorologists denied that cosmic rays could be involved in cloud formation. After long delays in scraping together the funds for an experiment, Svensmark and his small team at the Danish National Space Center hit the jackpot in the summer of 2005.
In a box of air in the basement, they were able to show that electrons set free by cosmic rays coming through the ceiling stitched together droplets of sulphuric acid and water. These are the building blocks for cloud condensation. But journal after journal declined to publish their report; the discovery finally appeared in the Proceedings of the Royal Society late last year.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Decided to start new thread on this instead.
[edit on 2/26/2007 by centurion1211]