Occult Meaning of the Caduceus

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"The Winged Sundisk is composed of two serpents(Aset and Nebethet), a Sundisk symbolizing Ra manifesting as the dual principles (Uadjit -Aset and Nekhebet - Nebthet) and the wings of Heru. This is an important symbol of Heru, meaning "All-Encompassing Divinity". It was decreed by Djehuti that this symbol be used over the doorway of temples" - Sebai Muata Ashby






[edit on 7-4-2006 by Tamahu]

From another thread:

Originally posted by eudaimonia

Originally posted by Tamahu

About the Flaming or Blazing Star...

Okay. Question.

I noticed in the middle of that pentagram the same symbol used for the American Medical Association:

I'd imagine said symbol is used because the Kundalini/Shakti force is the most powerful force in the Universe(the very power of creation itself), and can be channeled to use for healing purposes as taught by the Ancient Kemetian Priests.

This is the "laying on of hands" of the Christians.

Though unfortunately, most leaders of Christian churches these days really don't channel much power from the Holy Spirit/Binah/Jehovah-Elohim, due to their being fornicators.

Not to judge anybody; but many of them either indulge in fornication or suppress their sexuality(which is just as negative), because they no longer know the science of Alchemy/Transmutation like the early Christian Initiates did.

So their "laying on of hands" is just an act, for the most part anyway.


As far as the Caduceus having to do with Magic, yes.

That Pentalpha was originally penned by Eliphas Levi.

As to where the Caduceus originally came from(India, Khemet or somewhere else in Africa, Atlantis, Lemuria, etc.), is debateable.

The real Magi use the power of the Caduceus(Kundalini/Holy Spirit) for works of Healing(See "Occult Medicine and Practial Magic").

Witchcraft?

Only if the negative pole of this force is being utilized; which is Apep, the Tempting Serpent of Eden(Eden being Yesod of the Tree of life).

Originally posted by Nygdan
Meaning why a symbol of mercury associated with medecine when mercury isn't the medical god? Good point.

I think that the staff has curative powers anyway, and that its used as such. Also, consider that medecine originally wouldn't been conceived as the transmittance of divine knowledge and powers to a person, so the staff being medecine, carried by mercury, the messenger of the gods, makes sense in that context...

Originally posted by Roark
I thought it was connected with the bronze snake emblem that Moses erected to deliver the Israelites from their pestilential punishment in the desert.

The one that was later kept at the temple? That is the first that I have heard of it being connected to the cadeucus. Perahaps the similarity of snakes and curing is just something that stretches back further in time than either story.

Mercury has many aspects.

The Mercury of Alchemy is the sexual fluid of the man or woman(the Salt being the physical body and the Sulphur being the transmuted Mercury or Holy Spirit).

But Mercury is also the Roman name for the Greek Hermes, who is the Kemetian Tehuti/Thoth.

Tehuti is definitely seen holding the Caduceus.







Tehuti is assigned to Chokmah("The Son of God") on the Tree of Life, as is Yeshua, Vishnu, Krishna, Chenrezi, etc.

But Chokmah's Planetary attribute is actually Uranus, which governs the sexual glands.

The Planetary attribute of Mercury is related to Hod and Netzach.

But the Roman God Mercury(Tehuti/Hermes) would still be assigned to Chokmah. So the God, and the Planetary attribute, though being related; are different in this aspect.


And yes, it is indeed the Bronze Serpent(Kundalini) of Moses(who was a Kemetian Priest by the way) that healed the Israelites(the Initiates) in the wilderness(the polluted psyche full of defects/egos).

So there you have it.

There are male(ABBA/Seker) and female(AIMA/Sekert) aspects of the Creative Power of the Holy Spirit(Christus-Lucifer, the Divine Mother Kundalini, the Bronze Serpent), and the destructive power of the Tempting Serpent of Eden(Apep, Satan-Lucifer, Set).

Any Initiate of any real Religion or Yoga; has to defeat Lucifer and utilize that Force as to "move onward and upward" as Manly P. Hall has put it.


A new Gnostic audio lecture just came out if anyone is more interested in this:

Arcanum 15 - Passion





"Let us now study the Fifteenth Arcanum of the Tarot. We are going to study the Male Goat of Mendez, Typhon Baphomet, the Devil. The Alchemist must steal the fire from the Devil. When we work with the Arcanum A.Z.F. we steal the fire from the devil; this is how we transform ourselves into Gods."








I really doubt that the profane doctors of the modern medical field have any idea of the true significance of the Caduceus.

A genuine Initiate would probably not involve him/herself with such a racket.
















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"The illustrious German Gnostic Doctor Franz Hartmann said: “The true doctor is not the result of scientific schools, but, the one who became doctor through the Light of Divine Wisdom itself.”

You, Theologists, who know nothing about God! You, Doctors, who ignore the medical science! You, Anthropologists, who do not know human nature in all of its manifestations! You, Lawyers, who do not have any feeling for righteousness, neither for justice! You, Christians, who betray the Master in every moment! You, Judges, who have never judged your vices and defects! You, Governors, who have not learned how to govern your lower passions! You, Priests, who exploit the fanatical sects of the world! You, Merchants, who do not have respect, not even for the ‘bread’ which Mother Nature gives to her children! Listen, all of you, you have prostituted everything with your filthy money!"

- Occult Medicine and Practial Magic





[edit on 7-4-2006 by Tamahu]

Greetings Tamahu, I have question? Wouldn't a poor blind fellow raise a lot more energy in a strange love affair than say with his wife of fifteen or twenty years? I mean come on man after so many times its like going to work, respectfully.

Greetings TgSoe



In attempt to answer your question; I'll quote some excerpts from the V.M. Samael Aun Weor and the Gnostic Dr. Arnold Krumm-Heller:

..."However, by means of this fine craft, the lingam-yoni connection without ejaculation of the Ens-Seminis (as described by the famous physicians Arnold Krumm-Heller and Brown-Séquard), it is then possible to preserve the activity of the sexual glands one’s whole life through.

This means that a man who practiced such a system would reach the age of 90 and 100 years still able to copulate and free to enjoy the sexual pleasure, which is not a “sin,” or a taboo, and must not be a motive for shame or something to be hidden, but is - I repeat - a legitimate right of man.

With transmutation one can enjoy sexual pleasure without deteriorating. Commonly, after copulating, one feels exhausted; but if one does not ejaculate the Entity of the Semen, after copulating one still wants to repeat it a million times, always happy and joyful; one enjoys it without ever becoming weak.

To enrich the blood with hormones is not a crime. It has been taught by the Oneida Community in the United States, it was also taught by Jung. Throughout the world, it has been taught by the wisest people"...

"Instead of the coitus which reaches the orgasm, sweet caresses, amorous phrases and delicate touching should be lavished reflectively, keeping the Mind constantly separated from animal sexuality, sustaining the purest spirituality as if the act were a true religious ceremony.

“Nevertheless, the man can and should introduce (the "IOD") the penis and keep it inside ("the HE") the feminine sex to bring about a divine sensation upon both, full of joy, that can last for hours, withdrawing it at the moment the orgasm is near to avoid the ejaculation of Semen. In this way, they will have a greater Desire to caress each other each time.

“This may be repeated as many times as desired without ever becoming tiresome. On the contrary, it is the Magic Key to daily rejuvenation, keeping the body healthy and prolonging life, because this constant magnetization is a fountain of health.

“We know that in ordinary magnetism, the magnetizer communicates fluids to the subject and if the first has those forces developed, he can heal the second. The transmission of magnetic fluids is ordinarily done through the hands or through the eyes, but it is necessary to say that there is no greater and more powerful conductor, a thousand times more powerful, a thousand times superior to others, than the virile member (the “Iod”) and the vulva (the “He”) as receptive (Ratzon-l-Kabel) organs.

"If many people practice this, they will spread force and success in their surroundings for all those who come into commercial or social contact with them. But in the act of sublime, divine magnetization to which we are referring, both man and woman reciprocally magnetize each other, the one being for the other as a musical instrument which, when plucked, gives off or emits prodigious sounds of mysterious and sweet harmonies. The strings of that instrument are spread all over the body, and it is the lips and fingers that make them vibrate, if the utmost purity presides over the act. This is what makes us Magicians in that supreme moment."

About adultry(and this is important):

"What do we understand by adulterer? When a man has sexual contact with another person that does not belong to him. When a man takes a woman and abandoned the one he already has, he is an adulterer. Even more when he takes this woman just to transmute, He still is an adulterer. The man is charged with a type of energy from his wife and when he enters in sexual contact with another woman that isn’t his wife. These two equal energies are destroyed, an electrical shock comes afterwards and a cable is burned. Which? The fine thread that exist within the spinal column, through which the sulfur arises. When this thread is burned, the alchemist loses all degrees and fails in the great work. The work is very delicate. This is why is written in the book of Revelation of Saint John that neither the fornicator nor adulterer will enter into the New Jerusalem." - Samael Aun Weor, from the lecture "Harvest of the Sun"

Does this answer your questions???






[edit on 9-4-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
I'd imagine said symbol is used because the Kundalini/Shakti force

But isn't the Kundalini serpent one that is thrice coiled in upon itself, rather than just any serpent? Though I see that, because the chakras are associated with the body axis, that the staff could be that axis and the serpent as the kundalini serpent.

as taught by the Ancient Kemetian Priests.

Via what source is this known? Also, you say Kundali here, but that's not what they called it no? You are, perhaps, reconizing the kundali 'force' as real, and saying that they recognized it too, and taught and used it, but certainly didn't call it that no? (just trying to clarify my own understanding of the issue really).

the Salt being the physical body and the Sulphur being the transmuted Mercury or Holy Spirit

But this applies only to a period in which alchemy is known. Do you beleive that alchemy is as old as the greek gods?

Tehuti is assigned to Chokmah("The Son of God") on the Tree of Life, as is Yeshua, Vishnu, Krishna, Chenrezi, etc.

Who assigns them to this position? What tree of life, the sephiroth?

And yes, it is indeed the Bronze Serpent(Kundalini) of Moses(who was a Kemetian Priest by the way) t

Interseting relation there. However, is it also possible that the serpent is just culturally associated with healing, rather than that Kundalini yoga actually works?

btw, as an aside, here is a thread on the sefiroth, or rather an older reconstructed babylonian-assyrian (perhaps what you might think of as magian???) version/original/source/wellspring.
www.belowtopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Nygdan
But isn't the Kundalini serpent one that is thrice coiled in upon itself, rather than just any serpent? Though I see that, because the chakras are associated with the body axis, that the staff could be that axis and the serpent as the kundalini serpent.

Indeed.

She, the Divine Mother Shakti/Shekinah, Kundalini; is coiled up three and one half times in the Coccygeal Chakra and needs to awaken, as to fully activate the the Lotus Centers and to create the Solar Bodies.

as taught by the Ancient Kemetian Priests.

Via what source is this known? Also, you say Kundali here, but that's not what they called it no? You are, perhaps, reconizing the kundali 'force' as real, and saying that they recognized it too, and taught and used it, but certainly didn't call it that no? (just trying to clarify my own understanding of the issue really).

Well the Kemetians did depict the Kundalini Serpent in their Heiroglyphs, as well as the accompanying Serpents: Aset and Nebethet, Ida and Pingala, 'Adam' and 'Eve', Od and Ob ,etc.(See the first post of this thread)

The Kemetian Shekemu or 'Pharaohs' had to have the Serpent Power activated in order to rule the land; and this was displayed on their forehead. They had to be a Malachim or King of Nature.



See Sebai Muata Ashby's "The Serpent Power" that I showed an image of, or his "Egyptian Tantra Yoga"(as well as the writings of Ra Un Nefer Amen).

the Salt being the physical body and the Sulphur being the transmuted Mercury or Holy Spirit

But this applies only to a period in which alchemy is known. Do you beleive that alchemy is as old as the greek gods?

Well Alchemy/Tantra would be as old as creation itself, considering that it is the power of creation itself.

The names and labels used to describe it during different times and in different places don't matter much.

The Gods create the Universe through Alchemy and we left Eden by not practicing it, because of our lust.

So we have to re-enter Eden through door that we left it through; Sex(see the symbolism of the Flaming Sword(Spinal Column) and the Cherubim(related to Binah, the Holy Spirit).

Tehuti is assigned to Chokmah("The Son of God") on the Tree of Life, as is Yeshua, Vishnu, Krishna, Chenrezi, etc.

Who assigns them to this position? What tree of life, the sephiroth?

If you do a study of all these Gods, you'll see that their attributes are very similiar.

The Hebrew Kabbalah is just one name for the Science of the Tree of Life that is found in all major religions.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil or Daath, is Alchemy.

An esoteric investigation of the Buddhist Trinity Buddha/Dharmakaya/Amitabha, Dharma/Samboghakaya/Chenrezi and Sangha/Nirmanakaya/Padmasambhava; shows that Tehuti would be a Samboghakaya or The Dharma, because he usually seen recording the Dharma or the Sacred teachings of the Logos. Remember: He is the "God of Wisdom" and Wisdom is a name that the Hebrews attributed to Chokmah.

The Dharma/Christ sends 'his' Bodhisattvas(Tiphereth) into the world to teach the Dharma, as seen in the symbolism.

The Dalai Lama is a Bodhisattva and is said to be an incarnation of Chenrezi.

And yes, it is indeed the Bronze Serpent(Kundalini) of Moses(who was a Kemetian Priest by the way) t

Interseting relation there. However, is it also possible that the serpent is just culturally associated with healing, rather than that Kundalini yoga actually works?

An in depth study of the subject shows that healing is only one aspect of the symbolism.

Though the Holy-Spirit, Shiva/Shakti or Shekem-Power is definitely directly related to healing; which makes it so ironic that those who currently make use of the symbol in the medical field, know little to nothing about it.

btw, as an aside, here is a thread on the sefiroth, or rather an older reconstructed babylonian-assyrian (perhaps what you might think of as magian???) version/original/source/wellspring.
www.belowtopsecret.com...

Yes, I remember that and want to address it, but will have to later when/if I have more time.


On more thing; one can also see the relation between the Eastern and Western traditions in Tibetan Buddhism and in the Tarot.

In the West there is the Sword(Spinal Column), Cup(Vagina) and the Wand(Phallus); and in the East they have the Phurpa?/Purba?(Spinal Column), Bell(Vagina) and Dorje(Phallus).



Regards




[edit on 9-4-2006 by Tamahu]

I would agree with Tamahu that the kundalini force was known to the Egyptian Initiates. If we take the Hermetic view that the entire symbolism of initiation concerns allegories that symbolize the raising of kundalini, this would be paramount. Furthermore, notice that the Egyptian initiates used symbols that seem to have been borrowed from the Indian initiates (Eye of Hoor, for example), who themselves were never quite so guarded when teaching the method of raising kundalini.

Also, just for comparison with other ancient Semitic culture, compare Job 41: 1 - 34, King James Version.

How would the egyptians have that much contact with the vedics that they'd have the same symbols with the same meanings??

Originally posted by Nygdan
How would the egyptians have that much contact with the vedics that they'd have the same symbols with the same meanings??

The serpent, for example, is a universal religious symbol. If it's origins are with the ancient Aryans of India, it is likely that the symbol was exported through cultural diffusion, although perhaps in a corrupted form. Also, it possible that such diffusion was imported into Egypt at a very early time, perhaps by the Hyksos.

At least by the time that the mysteries were established at Thebes, the Osirian legend was known throughout Egypt. Although the exoteric interpretation of the legend is quite obvious, with Osiris representing the sun, Hermetic tradition has it that there was an also an esoteric interpretation, and that Osiris represented the kundalini.

According to the Hermeticists, after his murder by Typhon, who represented matter, he was first buried at the foot of an evergreen, representing the spinal column. He was then raised from his grave, representing the raising of kundalini, energizing the chakras, which opens "the All Seeing Eye".

This could be entirely speculation on the part of the Hermetic philosophers. Then again, it could be the origin of the mysteries, and all the mysterious religious legends about serpents. All we can say for sure is that the Vedics were aware of kundalini techniques, and could have initiated non-Aryans, who in turn initiated others of their own kin, spreading the mysteries through cultural diffusion.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
If it's origins are with the ancient Aryans of India, it is likely that the symbol was exported through cultural diffusion,

Strange that the language wouldn't get imported along with it though.

it possible that such diffusion was imported into Egypt at a very early time, perhaps by the Hyksos.

Ah, so not that early.

and that Osiris represented the kundalini.

Do we actually know that it was a story that was supposed to be interpreted esoterically though? And would what you note as the exoteric version actually be all that obvious to the public at the time?

All we can say for sure is that the Vedics were aware of kundalini techniques, and could have initiated non-Aryans

When do we more or less know that kundalini yoga was being used btw? It would be interesting to see if there were any thrice and a half coiled serpents amoung the harrapan script.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Do we actually know that it was a story that was supposed to be interpreted esoterically though? And would what you note as the exoteric version actually be all that obvious to the public at the time?

The problem that one runs into when studying the ancient mysteries is that, of course, they were secret. The writers of antiquity who themselves were initiates wrote in veiled and obscure language about them, and the only forthright writings come from the enemies of the mysteries.

Nevertheless, I think we can deduce certain facts. It seems not only possible, but probable, that there was an esoteric interpretation. I would argue that the exoteric doctrines were indeed obvious to the general public (which is what made them exoteric). This is because the public were sun worshipers, having personified the sun as Osiris (or Apollo or Mithras, etc., depending upon the culture). An example of this is found in Plato's "Republic" where the sun is referred to as the chief god.

But, just as obviously, if this was the public religion, and if it was accepted by everyone with the same interpretations, it would not be necessary to institute secret mysteries concerning them, where esoteric doctrines could be promulgated. Albert Pike once wrote something to the effect that the symbols of the wise become the idols of the vulgar, and this may be case withe the ancient Egyptians.

When do we more or less know that kundalini yoga was being used btw?

I'm not sure about the beginnings of the discipline that we today call "kundalini yoga", but it isn't necessary to practice this Hindu discipline in order to awaken the kundalini current. Practically all ancient religious texts talk about kundalini, using different symbolism. If one isn't aware of kundalini, the texts read like jargon and nonsense, like the chapter in Job that I mentioned earlier. But if one reads them, keeping in mind that they may secretly be referring to kundalini, they begin to make sense.

An obvious problem with this is that there's no real proof that any of the biblical or other authors referred to kundalini. On the other hand, if they were referring to kundalini, they wouldn't have wanted to make it obvious, so they would lead their readers around in circles. But before we dismiss the whole thing as just a Catch-22 that can't be broken, I would recommend that we at least put it to the test, and study religious texts with the kundalini in mind, to see if there is really a secret doctrine encoded there somewhere, and whether or not this interpretation makes sense.

Right now I'd like to add on to this build more; but due to lack of time, I'll address this for now.

Originally posted by Nygdan
How would the egyptians have that much contact with the vedics that they'd have the same symbols with the same meanings??

See Godfrey Higgins' "Anacalypsis"(reading his "Celtic Druids" first, will help one understand it more).

He goes into the fact that there were "two Ethiopias": One in Kemet and one in India.

This is also affirmed by the likes of Herodotus and Plutarch.

This more than explains the similarities.

And many a occultist would say that all cultures remain in contact throughout all time in the Internal Planes, as all the Heirophants of said cultures would be connected through the heirarchies of the White Lodge.


See my post here: www.abovetopsecret.com...


Regards

You may be interested in this:

The Universal Savior


It's like reading a more esoteric version of Joseph Campbell.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
Greetings TgSoe




Does this answer your questions???


Tamahu]

I suppose it does answer it sir but exactly what is the new Jeruseleum? Is it a level of spirituality, afterlife or what? Does it allow you to communicate with angels?

Originally posted by TgSoe
I suppose it does answer it sir but exactly what is the new Jeruseleum? Is it a level of spirituality, afterlife or what? Does it allow you to communicate with angels?

"The mind is the donkey that we must ride in order to enter into the celestial Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.







The mind is the den of desire.

When the mind assaults us with useless representations, when the mind ambushes us with its lowly passions, let us talk to the mind like this:

“Mind, remove from me these desires; mind, remove from me these passions, I do not accept them from you, you are my slave and I am your Lord, until the end of time.” - Samael Aun Weor

So the awkward, clumsy ass of the mind has to submit to the Inner Christ.

The one who conquers the mind and builds the Solar Mental body is called in Buddhism, an Arhat.

The Arhats are said to be free from the mechanical return to Samsara.

They can consciously reincarnate, as taught by Lord Krishna.

They are only one Initiation-of-Major-Mysteries away from actually Being Angels, or Malachim; Kings of Nature.

These are said to be taken up by the Manu before the final catastrophe-as part of the Solar Circle of Humanity-as to avoid the destruction, and are then responsible for building the civilization of the next Root-Race, which would be the transition from the Kali Yuga to the Golden Age or Satya Yuga: The New Jerusalem.

This is symbolized in the Bibilical story of Noah's-Arc(anum).

However, it is taught that any sincere disciple can converse with the Angels in the Astral Plane, if he/she seriously devotes their self to chastity, meditation and self-remembering from moment-to-moment; being pure in thought, word and deed; even if she/he still only has the Lunar Sahu or Lunar Bodies.

“With patience ye shall possess thy soul.” - Aberamentho(Yeshua Ben Pandera)

Gnostic Glossary:

"Seed Sacred Sperm, the Ens Seminis. Psalm 69: 36: "The seed of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein." Ancient populace worshipped the corn, wheat and rice, because the sacred seed is represented by them. Mayas and Nahuas symbolized the Mercury of the Wise with corn. The Middle East and Europe saw the blessed seed in the wheat. China, Japan and India saw the sacred sperm in the rice. We transform the Ens Seminis into creative energy, which means into Mercury, only by the transmutatory science. Whosoever possesses the Mercury of the Wise can create within himself the superior existential bodies of the Being. Whosoever possesses the Mercury of the Wise within himself will abide in the city of Heliopolis. God will save Zion by virtue of the Mercury of the Wise. The interior cities will be constructed, and the Initiates will dwell in them and inherit them. A City of Light, a Heavenly Jerusalem, must be constructed within each human being."

Pistis Sophia Unveiled By Samael Aun Weor

For more about the New Jerusalem study "The Doomed Aryan Race", "The Aquarian Message-Gnostic Kabbalah and Tarot in the Apocalypse of St. John" and the "Pistis Sophia Unveiled"(the latter of which should interest Masons regarding the Grand, or Demiruge Architect of the Universe).

Demiurge (Greek, for “worker” or “craftsman”)

The Demiurgos or Artificer; the supernal power that built the universe. Freemasons derive from this word their phrase “Supreme Architect.” Also the name given by Plato in a passage in the Timaeus to the creator God.

[edit on 11-4-2006 by Tamahu]

About the following TgSoe:

About adultry(and this is important):

"What do we understand by adulterer? When a man has sexual contact with another person that does not belong to him. When a man takes a woman and abandoned the one he already has, he is an adulterer. Even more when he takes this woman just to transmute, He still is an adulterer. The man is charged with a type of energy from his wife and when he enters in sexual contact with another woman that isn’t his wife. These two equal energies are destroyed, an electrical shock comes afterwards and a cable is burned. Which? The fine thread that exist within the spinal column, through which the sulfur arises. When this thread is burned, the alchemist loses all degrees and fails in the great work. The work is very delicate. This is why is written in the book of Revelation of Saint John that neither the fornicator nor adulterer will enter into the New Jerusalem." - Samael Aun Weor, from the lecture "Harvest of the Sun"

I don't think this means that the door of Alchemy is completely closed to the Aspirant.

It just means that any progress achieved is lost, and that the student has to start all over.

Of course said person would have to renounce adultry before even beginning again; and would have to allow some time, and much prayer and practice for the healing of Brahmanadi or Sushumna cord; so that he or she could start raising the fire again.