No finance no romance

I am sick of it. These days you need to have money or else you are relegated to dating uglies and retards. face it guys you have got to have money to attract a decent woman.

Ill tell you a secret.

... (can you keep it)

Women do not like being called uglies and retards. Millions of guys get beautiful women and they are dirt poor.

I am somewhat with Dulcimer on this.

I am trying to figure out if you are trying to get by on the cheap or just whining.
Suggest you learn things about Power and the appearence of power in this world. Or methods of how to acquire powerlessness.

I can tell you one thing for sure Science Guy...women do not generally look for men who are powerless..or whiney.

Suggest strongly that you read a book titled..

Why Men are the way they are
by Warren Farrell.

It enlightens you to much about the way women think..but more importantly if you are even a modicum of thinker it enlightens you to how and why a man thinks in the narrow blocks he does.
Its up to you to educate yourself...dont count on a woman to do this ..they tend to like their men ready made...not a project in the making. In otherwords pull your head out of your backside and start thinking ..really thinking.
I know men with plenty of money..the one thing they dont want to many women to know is that they have it..they present themselves as middle income or even poor. It weeds out the money "hunter gatherers"...ie gold diggers.
Are all women like this ..no they are not...its up to you to weed them out ...and know the difference...in a woman with real value ..not the appearence of value. You can apply the same thing to men. Money is not always indicative of a man of value. It just means you have money. A huge difference to a perceptive woman.
Learn to think with your head..not your emotions...too much emotions makes you just like a woman..and most women dont want the competition in the emotional arena...you should know this too.

Thanks,
Orangetom

A woman who is by what most people think is "beautiful" is not a indicator of the fact that she is worth your money. This is where so many men of logic and reason get totally dumbfounded. What a stupid bunch of men.
A good looking woman is not necessarily a woman of real value ..unless you are a dummy. You should already know this too.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by orangetom1999

A woman who is by what most people think is "beautiful" is not a indicator of the fact that she is worth your money. This is where so many men of logic and reason get totally dumbfounded. What a stupid bunch of men.
A good looking woman is not necessarily a woman of real value ..unless you are a dummy. You should already know this too.

Thanks,
Orangetom

i will check this book out for sure. thanks alot. But you know what; if you have money you can use that money to improve your self. FOr instance it takes money to buy a gym membership and use it. It also takes money to buy better clothes and it even takes money to get an education.

[edit on 1-11-2005 by scienceguy94]

Originally posted by scienceguy94
I am sick of it. These days you need to have money or else you are relegated to dating uglies and retards. face it guys you have got to have money to attract a decent woman.

This would be correct if 'decent woman' really meant 'no uglies'. Perhaps you should go to your community brothel and offically buy your romance by the hour.. no decent women [attractive or not] would even consider dating you if all you value in them is their looks. Women can sense these things.

So Scienceguy.. are you an 'ugly'?


[edit on 2-11-2005 by riley]

I have such a hard time swallowing the line that women (beautiful or not) would be interested in a guy who is dirt poor since if your dirt poor that means you barely can pay your bills and support yourself. If you fall into that category what possible chance would you have of co-existing with someone else in a relationship such as marriage or heavens forbid having children? There have been a few threads here where the battle of the sexes comes out with all kinds of claims about love over money, looks dont matter, etc. but we have to remember we are still animals and the thing that moves us (men and women) together is the desire to produce offspring and continue our species; you cannot do that when you are dirt poor and can barely feed yourself. Women pick their mate (irregardless of the high-thought mantra spewed) based on his financianl standing and physical appearance (they just dont realize it).

Now I can already hear the knives and guns being readied to come after me for making generalizations, but look at it like this: would any sensible woman pick a mate that has a blatant physical disability or disorder that would affect their children? Would you go for the person who is sick all the time? Is the guy of obvious inbreeding desireable with physical problems and ailments a good candidate for procreation? The fact is you have to embody both financially and physically an ideal candidate to a woman for mating otherwise your not going anywhere let alone to bed or the alter.

Originally posted by scienceguy94
I am sick of it. These days you need to have money or else you are relegated to dating uglies and retards.

Wow, with a personality like that, it must only be lack of many thats keeping you from the 'super fine women'

Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by scienceguy94
I am sick of it. These days you need to have money or else you are relegated to dating uglies and retards. face it guys you have got to have money to attract a decent woman.

This would be correct if 'decent woman' really meant 'no uglies'. Perhaps you should go to your community brothel and offically buy your romance by the hour.. no decent women [attractive or not] would even consider dating you if all you value in them is their looks. Women can sense these things.

So Scienceguy.. are you an 'ugly'?


[edit on 2-11-2005 by riley]

You can have Good game like a pickup artist. But the chips fall when the woman falls out of the seductive trance you put her under she will see you as the loser troll that you are. women want winners not losers. Any woman who says that she doesn't care about money is lying or has so much baggage or ugly that she has to settle.

Some of the posts in here crack me up..

I agree with Riley again..this is getting to be a bad habit...go rent your access to beauty by the hour if it is so valuable to you. That way you get all the benifits and none of the liabilitys. You can live your fantasys by the hour.

Alternateheaven..what you claim about women not basicially being intrested in a guy who is dirt poor..is true. Women by and large are looking for a guy who can give them options...not always wealth but wealth is in fact a option...money means options. Its up to you to be wise to this and get the best value for your moneys and time. Its not up to the women to make this plain to you. They will in fact hide this reasoning from you ...women are much more occult than a man ever thought of being. I can assure you of this. We just tend to call this subtilty.
Once again its up to you to catch on ..not them to teach you. As I stated in other posts ..what woman wants to teach a guy about women only to lose him to the next woman??? It just isnt done. They are not here to support the competition ..only men can be this dumb. Got the point.??
Ideally and in thier dreams women would like to have it all..but often have to settle for what they can get ..especially as the clock begins to strike midnight and the fear is of turning into a pumkin. Biology catchs up with them and they must choose before the calling card ..their ace in the hole runs out. There are variations on this but basically it is called the Cinderella Complex.

It is up to you to educate yourself in this ..nothing mysterious about it. Its just that so many men are dirt dumb about this..having been blinded by a cheap sports mentality and a oil shortage blocking thier thinking.
When I see posts like Science guy..I say to myself ..what a dumb bunch of men...
What women respond to socially from most men is confidence...to many money means confidence/options. Do all of them think like this..no not all. Remember ..women are looking for survival..and many social mechanisms are used to insure this. Its up to you to weed them out and get the best value for your money and time. This means education...thinking analyzing , experiencing...knowing the difference. Not a course you will get in public school or colleges. Its up to the individual to wise up.

One more thing for you ignorant men who can only think in one dimension. A woman who is to most men ..beautiful but has no other real skills in life other than beauty and sex is in fact ..ugly. This because the price you will have to pay for constant access to her is way out of proportion to the misery you will get in trying to maintain her lifestyle...think well upon this. Many a man has doomed himself to this misery in ignorance. There are no makeovers for poor choices in this field.
Learn about real value in a woman..beauty and sex are not it.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by scienceguy94
You can have Good game like a pickup artist. But the chips fall when the woman falls out of the seductive trance you put her under she will see you as the loser troll that you are. women want winners not losers.

Depends what you mean by 'loser'.. I am not disputing your obvious expertise in this field.. but there are alot of rich men who are absolute pigs. Likewise there are alot of poor men who are pigs as well. At least the poor guys can console their egos by blaming lack of money when they strike out though.

Any woman who says that she doesn't care about money is lying or has so much baggage or ugly that she has to settle.

I am a woman, I don't have an excess of baggage, I'm not a liar and I'm definently not ugly. Your problem is not lack of money but the fact that you assume women who reject do so because they are prositutes out of your price range.

[edit on 2-11-2005 by riley]

I agree with you here ..and I'm getting worried..I am agreeing with you entirely to much!!!

You posted:

"Depends what you mean by 'loser'.. I am not disputing your obvious expertise in this field.. but there are alot of rich men who are absolute pigs. Likewise there are alot of poor men who are pigs as well."

While I am not the neatest person in the world...I dont like piggyness in men or women. I notice this quickly when I see a woman. I also notice this among the men I know. Makes me think they got poor toilet training. LOL.
Also "PIGS " covers ground other than personal cleanliness habits. In this too one can say someone is a pig.


Thanks,
Orangetom

I just talked to a real live woman on the phone just moments ago!!

So I asked her what she was looking for in a man, when she said "yes" (to me).

She rambled on about a man who would never leave, who would invest emotional energy in her, who seemed like a good father-in-the-making, who would respect her and her career.


As far as "not getting any," back in the day, (Undergraduate, before I'd ever met the future Frau Dr, who was, like 8 years old at the time.), I used to cruise Business Major parties. I did just fine, thank you; since I was the only archaeologist in the room, newly returned from the Middle East and Africa (!!!!!). Seemed like the Judys were way more interested in my spread sheets than they were in some business major's spreadsheets, if you see what I'm saying.


But. Back to familial bliss (infinitely more rewarding, by the way).

When Frau Dr married me, I was driving a Geo Metro. Her family was definitely more wealthy than mine, owning their own business.

How did I date her? As I've posted many times before, like this:

-walks in the park
-feeding the ducks
-long talks in my favorite chinese restaurant, where they wouldn't boot you if you stayed and talked.
-trips to museums
-shooting billiards (well, O.K., that was more for me)
-going to the farmer's market and eating all the free samples (!)
-driving out to the lake
-"Watching the Stars"
-"studying" in the campus library's carrells.
-laughing and peoplewatching at the mall.

Of course I saved up the big bucks to take her to her favorite ($$$) italian restaurant for her birthday. But the "free" dates outnumbered the paydates by 3 to 1.

As far as "not getting any," back in the day, (Undergraduate, before I'd ever met the future Frau Dr, who was, like 8 years old at the time.), I used to cruise Business Major parties. I did just fine, thank you; since I was the only archaeologist in the room, newly returned from the Middle East and Africa (!!!!!). Seemed like the Judys were way more interested in my spread sheets than they were in some business major's spreadsheets, if you see what I'm saying.

thats becuase they saw potential in you.

Originally posted by alternateheaven
we are still animals and the thing that moves us (men and women) together is the desire to produce offspring and continue our species; you cannot do that when you are dirt poor and can barely feed yourself.

Which is why the 3rd world is practically deserted, yes?

Actually, I dated a woman for years that had children by other men and was incapable of having children again due to hystorectomy. So it is not all about kids.

I also dated a woman with a high incedence of mental illness in her family. She decided long ago that she would never have children, or even adopt, in case it was environmental factors at work. She is married today. So there.

A lot of this whining is projecting, blaming women for their shortcomings, instead of focusing on your own. And fixing them.

See, if it really is all about money, then it lets you off the hook; you're doomed, and don't need to feel guilty about not getting love.

Explain woody allen to me. take your time

*looks at wristwatch*

Or me, for that matter. I remember the first time a woman really came on to me. I was in college; a virgin. My roomate had this girlfriend who was paying her way through college by modeling swimwear. Very nice. She basically moved in to his half of the apartment. Then one day, when he had gone home for Christmas break, she started telling me about how all he wanted was to be serviced, and basically ignored her and she was so bored she burst into tears while telling me this. She tried to kiss me and I pushed her away, because even though my roomate was a creep for mistreating her, I would not take advantage of another man's relationship woes to seduce his woman.

But that experience woke me up. I realized that every human who is looking for love sizes up every person the meet, at least subconsciously.

So what you have to do is find an effective way to "retail" your assets in a way that the women you want will see what sets you apart.

For me, it was debate and philosophy classes. Letting my intellect shine. That sort of thing. I never picked up women at the beach, because I basically look like 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag. But man, I used to meet them in coffeehouses and bookstores.

Oh yeah, heres a BIG piece of advice. Find a woman who is so good-looking that she needs a man next to her so guys will leave her alone. You escort her, and be a nonsexual friend to her. (But only one female friend like this.)

I had this in college. Women would come on to ME, because they couldn't figure out what a slob like me was doing with some woman dressed to the 9's. My friend and I would be talking and laughing in a bookstore, and then she'd go to the bathroom. The second she left, some woman from the next aisle who'd been eavesdropping would come around and start talking about whatever we'd been debating; art, religion, (never politics), etc. Then the new girl would scamper away when my companion returned. The interested woman would write me a note on her reciept or something.

That worked more than once, and my friend, "Julie" and I would joke about it; she'd give me a peck on the cheek, kind of hang on me and stuff, which really brought other women out of the woodwork. Suddenly I had a lot of guy friends hanging around, too, asking when Julie was coming over.

Oh yeah. ALmost forgot. you need to treat EVERY woman, excluding blood relatives, as a chance to hone your acting skills. If you are stuck in an elevator for an hour with some woman, use it to learn about "what women want."

Also you should READ THE ARTICLES in Cosmopolitan about every 3 months or so. Don't do it every month, 'cause that'd be gay. (not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Here's a couple of Movies you need to watch. Because they will teach you how to survive.

Glengarry Glennross. I know, it's about the real estate business. But EVERY business is the business of selling yourself. In your case, to women. And remember the greatest line of Al Pacino's acting career:

A-B-C. You know what that means? Remember it. A-B-C. It stands for "Always Be Closing."

That's you. Closing the sale. With some hottie you just met five minutes ago. See?

To learn more, I'd take a look at the film "The Tao of Steve," which is actually based on my life the year after I graduated from college.

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Well said ..much better than I could have said it. Well done.

I have experienced similar...also the awakening as to how competitive women are ..much more in this arena than most men. Dated older women most of my life..even they will hunt and gather younger men if the opportunity presents itself. But dont ever think that any woman will not hunt and gather if the opportunity presents itself. They will often tag team as a safety net while hunting and gathering.
Intresting to watch women and how they conduct themselves when they percieve someone moving in and they are competition. Talk about wildlife.
Agree with every opportunity to hone your skills...well said.
Confidence ..confidence ..confidence.

Great post....Doc.

Thanks ,
Orangetom

Whether they are lying or not....

Most women still list a "sense of humor" as the number one point of interest...even over the size of the wallet....

I'm sensing you were "beaten" out in the game of love by someone with more dough...or the gal you wanted was just out for a buck...

Relax...plenty of fish in the sea, and plenty of time to fish (I'm assuming)...

Relax...plenty of fish in the sea, and plenty of time to fish (I'm assuming)...

But its hard to catch a fish when you only have a goldfish net. In my opinion women reach thier peak fertility years at the same time they they find asshole jocks the most attractive. So a nerd or dork the same age as a woman will have to wait until age and other forms of baggage drag her reproductive value down to a level where she would finally find him attractive. At the same time his value would have increased becuase he is earning more money. but at the same time he is desires those young asshole seeking women mre than ever. I am not saying that all women seek the alpha male leader of the pack but the women that you want the most do.

Sounds to me like you're thinking about whether other people will be impressed with your catch. Here are a couple of rules of thumb I have picked up by experience.

-Most women that are stunningly attractive are also quite lonely, because most men are intimidated by them and never really persue them.

-Most really attractive women, I mean, the ones for whom that is their primary attribute, are a real drag to be around. Their existence is pretty much focused on hair, nails and makeup, and cute guys. Ever watch those reality TV shows like laguna beach. Picture being married to that. Till death do you part.

-the ones who take enormous pride in appearance are pretty dissappointing in the sack. They just sort of lay there and pose. The joke is "are you done yet?" But there's more truth to that than you'd believe.

-The best girls, IMO are the ones who are used to being the center of attention; the ones who know how to speak in public, work a crowd, etc. They have the personalities to be entertaining.

-Most women like older men, so take your time. Think about it. Can you name actress the age of Anthony Hopkins, Sean Connery, Michael Douglas, or Redford that are considered "hot?" See, you've got nothing to worry about. The usual definition of "trophy wife," when I was in play, was "half your age, plus seven years." So, my guess is, you've still got time. I didn't meet mine until I was in my thirties (and she graduated college, but that's another story.)