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* Force-feedings resulted in prisoners "vomiting up substantial amounts of blood. When they vomited up blood, the soldiers mocked and cursed at them, and taunted them with statements like 'look what your religion has brought you.'"
* "Large tubes - the thickness of a finger - were viewed by detainees as objects of torture. They were forcibly shoved up the detainees' noses and down into their stomachs. Again, no anesthesia or sedative was provided."
* "[D]etainees were verbally abused and insulted and were restrained from head to toe. They had shackles or other restraints on their arms, legs, waist, chest, knees, and head with these restraints in place, they were given intravenous medication (often quite painfully, as inexperienced medical professionals seemed incapable of locating appropriate veins). Their arms were swollen from multiple attempts to stick them with IV needles If detainees moved, they were hit in the chest/heart."
* "In front of Guantánamo physicians - including the head of the detainee hospital - the guards took NG tubes from one detainee, and with no sanitization whatsoever, reinserted it into the nose of a different detainee. When these tubes were reinserted, the detainees could see the blood and stomach bile from other detainees remaining on the tubes. A person detainees only know as Dr. [redacted] stood by and watched these procedures, doing nothing to intervene."
* Detainee Abdul-Rahman communicated that, "one Navy doctor came and put the tube in his nose and down his throat and then just kept moving the tube up and down, until finally Abdul-Rahman started violently throwing up blood. Abdul-Rahman tried to resist the 'torture' from this physician, but he could not breathe."
* Detainees complying with the nasal tube feeding were doing so only because they believed it had been ordered by a U.S. court, a belief that is simply untrue.
More from the Center for Constitutional Rights via Rense
Julia Tarver who is representing detainees at Guanatanamo Bay. She says her clients - who are participating in a hunger strike to protest their mistreatment and indefinite detention
The fact that the only response is to attack the source shows just how little weight any opposing argument carries.
Detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were shackled to the floor in fetal positions for more than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water, and allowed to defecate on themselves, an FBI agent who said he witnessed such abuse reported in a memo to supervisors, according to documents released yesterday.
Even some of the detainees' attorneys acknowledged that they were initially skeptical, mainly because there has been little evidence that captors at Guantanamo Bay engaged in the kind of abuse discovered at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. But last Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union released FBI memos, which it obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, in which agents described witnessing or learning of serious mistreatment of detainees.
Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
How about the FBI?
Originally posted by Bikereddie
How about some info on the links before we click them?
Makes for a better and more enlightening post don't ya think?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you mean, Eddie? There are self-explanatory links (FBI records and FBI and other docs) and 2 quotes from Washington post articles. What do you want? I don't get your post...
The fact that i see no colours, makes hitting anyones links a problem. I have no sense of colour at all. Maybe that is why i did not recognize anything as a link? It has to say link so i can hit it.
Hope this helps in helping you understand my post a bit more.
Originally posted by skippytjc
Rense is is about as bogus as a 3 dollar bill. Man, what a waste of bandwidth. Imagine somebody spends money to host such garbage...
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Dude, your link is Rense...RENSE!
Your credibility just went down 90%.
DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO
Guantanamo detainees include many rank-and-file jihadists who took up arms against the U.S., as well as senior al Qaida operatives and leaders, and Taliban leaders. The type of enemy combatants captured during the course of hostilities include:• Terrorists linked to major al Qaida attacks, including the East Africa U.S. embassy bombings and the USS Cole attack.
• Terrorists who taught or received training on arms and explosives, surveillance, and interrogation resistance techniques at al Qaida camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
• Terrorists who continue to express their commitment to kill Americans and conduct suicide attacks if released.• Terrorists who have sworn personal allegiance to Usama bin Laden.
• Terrorists linked to several al Qaida operational plans, including possible targeting of facilities in the United States.
• Members of al Qaida’s international terrorism support network, including financiers, couriers, recruiters, and operatives.
• Terrorists who participated in attempted hijacking incidents.Representative examples of specific Guantanamo detainees include:
• An al Qaida explosives trainer who has provided information on the September 2001 assassination of Northern Alliance leader Masood and on the al Qaida organization’s use of mines.
• An individual who completed advanced terrorist training at camps in Afghanistan and participated in an attempted hijacking/escape while in custody that resulted in the deaths of Pakistani guards.
• An individual involved in terrorist financing who provided information on Usama bin Laden’s front companies, accounts, and international money movements for financing terror.
• A Taliban fighter who spent three months fighting on the front lines in Afghanistan and is linked to al Qaida operatives connected to the East Africa embassy bombings.
• An individual with links to a financier of the September 11th plots who attempted to enter the United States though Orlando Florida in August 2001. Phone recordssuggest September 11thhijacker Mohammed Atta was also at the Orlando airport that day. This individual was later captured in Pakistan after fleeing Tora Bora.
• Two individuals associated with senior al Qaida members who were working on remotely detonated explosive devices for use against U.S. forces.
• A member of an al Qaida supported terrorist cell in Afghanistan that targeted civilians, especially journalists and foreign aid workers; responsible for a grenade attack on a foreign journalist’s automobile.
• An al Qaida member who was plotting to attack oil tankers in the Persian Gulf using explosives laden fishing boats.• An individual who fought with an al Qaida supported terror cell in Afghanistan, personally establishing reconnaissance and ambush positions around Kandahar Airbase.
• An individual who served as a bodyguard for Usama Bin Laden and escorted him to Tora Bora, Afghanistan following the fall of Jalalabad, Afghanistan.
• An al Qaida member who served as an explosives trainer for al Qaida and designed a prototype shoe bomb for destroying airplanes and a magnetic mine for attacking ships.
• An individual who trained al Qaida associates in the use of explosives and worked on a plot to use cell phones to detonate bombs.
• An individual who served as an al Qaida translator and managed operating funds for al Qaida. An individual who helped stockpile weapons for use against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
QUESTIONING OF DETAINEES
Questioning of Guantanamo detainees has improved the security of our nation and coalition partners by expanding our understanding of al Qaida, its affiliates, and other extremely dangerous terrorist groups that threaten our security The combined effect of this information is critical in the ongoing efforts to disrupt the attack plans of al Qaida and its affiliates throughout the world:
• Detainees have revealed al Qaida leadership structures, operatives, funding mechanisms, communication methods, training and selection programs, travel patterns, support infrastructures, and plans for attacking the U.S. and other countries.
• Information has been used by forces on the battlefield to identify significant military and tribal leaders engaged in or supporting attacks on U.S. and coalition forces.• Detainees continuously provide information that confirms other reporting regarding the roles and intentions of al Qaida and other terrorist operatives.Specifically, Guantanamo detainees have provided the U.S. with:
• Information on individuals connected to al Qaida’s efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction.• Information on front companies and accounts supporting al Qaida, Taliban, and Hezb-I Islam/Gulbuddin (HIG) operations.• Information on surface-to-air missiles, improvised explosive devices (IEDs), and tactics and training used by al Qaida, Taliban, and HIG elements.
• Identification of HIG associates in Afghanistan.• Significant, “actionable” information on al Qaida explosives training, assembly, and distribution throughout Afghanistan.• Information on the training of young adults (age 16-18) for suicide bombing missions.• Detailed information on travel routes potentially used by terrorists to reach the U.S. via Latin America.
• Detailed information on transnationalfunding operations in support of al Qaida, Taliban, and HIG, as well as information on individuals suspected of money laundering for terrorist organizations.• Information on non-governmental organizations (NGOs) providing financial and material support to terrorist organizations.
Guantan amo Detainees
To Fight Another Day
The real reason Guantanamo detainees have returned to the battlefield.
By Phillip Carter
Posted Monday, Oct. 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM PT
New battlefield reports indicate that at least eight and as many as 25 of the 202 prisoners paroled by the Pentagon from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have rejoined the fight as members of the pro-Taliban resistance in Afghanistan, or as part of al-Qaida. One of the now-free prisoners fighting in Afghanistan proudly proclaimed that he won his parole simply by lying through his teeth throughout the time he was at Gitmo. And the Pentagon blames fibbing prisoners and inadequate screening systems—driven by this summer's Supreme Court terrorism decisions—for allowing these men to escape from captivity.
It's more than a little disingenuous to blame the Supreme Court for these problems, though, especially since most of these detainees were released before the June decisions were handed down. The real problem is that the Defense Department and U.S. intelligence community developed inadequate and unreliable systems for screening detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Just as one might expect, detainees exploited the flaws in this system to secure their freedom by any means available—including telling a few lies to deceive their captors into believing that they were innocent. Ironically, it didn't have to be this way—international law would have allowed the United States to warehouse the Gitmo detainees until "the cessation of active hostilities" and to interrogate them, too. But by rejecting the Geneva Conventions' restrictions on Gitmo detainee operations, the United States also rejected its benefits—creating the situation we have today in which paroled detainees have returned to fight against us.
The paroled-detainee problem traces its roots back to the fateful Bush administration decision in January 2002 to exempt Guantanamo detainees from the Geneva Conventions. A classified memo written by White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales declared Geneva anachronistic in the "new kind of war" faced by the United States—especially to the extent it limited the ways U.S. intelligence officials could squeeze detainees for information about terrorist operations. As a matter of policy, the White House declared that Gitmo detainees would be treated humanely in accordance with the Geneva Conventions—but not actually granted that treaty's legal protections. In every facet of detainee operations—from capture to transportation to interrogation to release—the third Geneva Convention and the Army's own regulations for its implementation were declared inapplicable.