THE LUCIFER PROJECT ::: T-minus 6 days and counting..

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

I don't have a lot of time so it may be tomorrow before I can get back to you on this post in detail. Yes, you can use it in a fission device but it's incredibly crappy. Not only do you have a lot of issues with that self-heating thing making it physically unstable, but it has a really high spontaneous fission rate which tends to make it fizzle. I think I mentioned that part of it a couple of posts back. Oh, and it's uncool to have your physics package putting out 5kW of heat wrapped up by precision explosives charges - they tend to melt, deform, separate chemically or become "touchy".

very uncool...

So your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to go and find several cites for the bare sphere critical mass for 238Pu.

(peeks)

Ah, yes, amazing, found one first shot.

ok so that puts a damper on things...

haha wow I was going to ask why the vastly different half lives dont correspond with different critical masses then I worked it out for myself...it makes no difference at all.

so I guess this leaves us with: it is even less likely than I thought, cant happen with a single "pellet", and only can happen if many of them somehow came together in the descent, which I do not think could happen accidentally, and would be difficult to get to happen deliberately, but not impossible? I would completely discount the whole thing if it weren't for the black spot that appeared (which is not hard proof either way, just a big coincidence)

I guess Ill just wait and see next year

Originally posted by diablomonic I would completely discount the whole thing if it weren't for the black spot that appeared (which is not hard proof either way, just a big coincidence)

I guess Ill just wait and see next year

Could it have been chemical? Maybe the plutonium catalyzed some sort of chemical reaction, either directly or by heating?

Originally posted by WorldShadow
Are there 2 Lucifer projects. I looked it up and it tells a tale of cassini smashing into Saturn, with this thread stating Galileo smashing into Jupiter?

Galileo has already smashed into Jupiter

Galileo plunged into Jupiter's crushing atmosphere on Sept. 21, 2003. The spacecraft was deliberately destroyed to protect one of its own discoveries - a possible ocean beneath the icy crust of the moon Europa.

Galileo had two RTG's each carried 7.8 kilograms (17.2 lb) of Plutonium 238

Cassini carries 33 kg (72 lbs.) of largely plutonium-238

Viking Landers had RTG's... no data yet on quantity of Plutonium

MSL the new rover set for Mars 2009 will have Plutonium

"Another option is to identify one of Saturn's icy moons as an acceptable candidate and impact the spacecraft onto it," Mitchell said. Yet this option also holds an inherent risk arising from the three plutonium-bearing radioisotope thermoelectric generators, or RTGs, that Cassini uses as a power source.

"The issue is the heat that would be generated by the RTGs and the environment that would be created (melted ice) that could be conducive to the viability of any Earth organisms that might have survived on the spacecraft to that point," says Mitchell.

Mission planners make great effort not to contaminate alien worlds with terrestrial life.

Personally I think the scientists at NASA are wacko's. There new sport in the name of 'scientific discovery' is to smash spacecraft into things...

yet they say they take "great effort not to contaminate alien worlds with terrestrial life"

So really do they have those craft so perfectly sterile? I doubt it... bugs are good at hiding...

I have made a collection of NASA slamming craft deliberately into things... They are even planning to do it to the Moon in 2008... just to see what they can 'stir up' by smashing into the 100 square kilometer 'ice lake' at the poles

NASA's new 'research method'

reply to post by zorgon


Thanks for the correction. I hadn't looked at the original post date and flew off the handle with a quick post. In that being said, I don't think dropping a device loaded with fissile is a good idea for Saturn and earths relations in the future. Saturn has to many debris ring(s) material to throw at earth if it does go boom. And, if there is population inhabiting Saturn, they may get ugly and beat earth to a cinder. Which maybe why Mormons, tom cruise and our government have underground bunkers built in anticipation.

Regards,

There are wheels within wheels,I.E. thing that are planned far beyond anything we could being to think of.The LHC super atom smasher to go online in about 40 days might open some door that we'd wished we hadn't open...I don't know,take the atomic bomb ...maybe God says OK you want the tree of knowledge of good and evil? fine Deal with it!!!Thus we have the ability to kill all life on earth.It's like giving a kid a gold card and fake I.d. in Las Vegas ...he will get into trouble before too long.Maybe with Gods' help after we do something stupid we can learn something but,we should ask at what price is mankind willing to pay to find out the real truth that to know all things is only for God and a line thats best not crossed!!! May GOD Bless us...everyone.MMVIII

Hello,

This is an interesting topic, and I thought why not say hello. But what do my thoughts matter? Who am I? I am a unit of consciousness experiencing this reality within a shared collective of developing conscious units. That is, self aware consciousness. To answer your question you must first ask yourself "Who am I?" if you define this answer within the parameters of your life of experience then turn back. Further. You are going the wrong way.

Over these coming years more and more people will face the stark reality of their true nature. And it will appear as though these individual are suffering a psychosis of reality, because true reality and the human projection of reality are two distinct things. I am here to experience and study the human perspective of reality. really!

It is not uncommon for individual consciousness units to further step into separateness and seek to further detach from their true nature. Ignorance perpetuates further ignorance. The idea that "God" does not exist and their is no purpose save self evolution is a misnomer. For to self evolve one must know self, otherwise one is evolving an illusion, or de-lusion. This is the case of the consciousness of humanity and those who lead them in their dance of ignorance. Illuminati. The only Illumination here is the self illumination or spotlight of ME, I, Ego, Lower consciousness. And it is an illusion. All illusions dissolve and thus those conscious entities who inhabit the illusion dissolve with it.

Jupiter and Saturn are Suns, as are all planetary star seeds. Just as you are a living being, this cosmic ecosystem is alive and functioning on many levels that such limited ignorant consciousness cannot fathom. The truth just is whether you know it, or experience it at all. Truth is only known when it is experienced.

All endeavours into the realm of illusion will result in dissolution, or destruction, burning up. This is a safety mechanism of the divine order, that power some call God, that power that the "illuminated Ones" have cast aside. They have cast aside true reality in exchange for a self created delusion. All their actions therefore will appear to divine ones as a form of madness. Some will inherently know there actions to be insane. The madness in the world is a reflection of the leadership this planetary system has endured for the past 13,000 years.

Like a child who must experience the chaos of adolescence before entering into maturity, so to must humanity, and their leadership be humbled and surrender their self created hellish illusion of truth. Indeed all consciousness has within it a spark of creative essence, in which anything is possible. Create slavery, create divinity, create heaven or hell. Good and evil are both creative expressions and bear no reality to truth. That which is will be exactly what is required for evolutionary growth. The "sheeple" are closer to the truth than the self professed "illuminated" ones lost in their grasping for knowledge which they can never contain within their limited conscious constructs. The Internet cannot be stored on one persons personal computer. It is an interwoven network where all terminals are valid components of the whole. There is no hierarchy.

Earth is alive, as are all planets and celestial bodies, all solar systems are alive. Like all living systems it grows and expands. You scientists have observed planets being ejected or borne from stars yet failed to recognised this through the self created delusion of their science. Your scientist fail to see the earth has grown. The surface you dwell on, or what you call the continents was once one completer spherical surface. As this planet grew, the surface had to crack and spread outward. One day, this planet will be a gas giant, and eventually a star.

I have never in all my lifetimes experienced the madness of a premature birthing of a star. Maybe that's why we are all here. To experience this experiment.