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Implications of the Conservation of Matter

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posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 07:17 AM
It is widely held in many religious beliefs that no one ever really dies. The conservation of matter implies that we never die even scientifically: our matter is only scattered into another form. This is only one of the almost implications of the conservation of matter.

God Bless All Souls.

posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 07:35 AM
Of course we don't die in that sense. But the we are more than the sum of our parts: the functions of the body cease to exist when we die.

So this observation does not mean that we have souls. Just like are body functions are not preserved, so do brain functions.

We are machines.

posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 02:13 PM
The conservation of energy would suggest that when we die the energy stored in our bodies would have to go somewhere. so where does it goes, does it leave when the soul or concious leaves the body?

posted on Oct, 15 2005 @ 11:37 PM
i think you dont understand the concept of conversation of energy

when we die the mitochandria and such in our bodys stop producing energy, from oxidation, and the left over energy is dissipated as heat and such into the surrounding enviroment

this is just off the top off my head, but i imagine its close to what happens.

posted on Oct, 16 2005 @ 07:07 PM
The First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics

  1. Energy can be exchanged in the form of heat or of mechanical work, but its total quantity remains constant.
  2. In a closed system, entropy always increases.

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 KJV

The ‘dust’ is the ‘mechanical work,’ and the ‘spirit’ is ‘heat.’ The sum of creation, both seen and unseen comprises ‘energy’ and is contained within the Most High, God the Father, who is ‘pure spirit.’

The fundamental ideas of light, electricity, and magnetism are the principle elements of God’s nature:

  • Light

    • Genesis 1:1-4
    • John 1:1-9
    • John 5:35
    • John 14:6

  • Electricity

    • Matthew 24:27
    • Matthew 28:3
    • Luke 17:24

  • Magnetism

    • John 6:44
    • John 12:32
    • James 4:8

Concerning the existence of the human soul:

Think of a TV set. Its physical components are the ‘mechanical work’. The electricity that it requires to function is the ‘heat.’ It is obtained by a connection that is the form of a power cord. The electricity is not part of the TV itself, and left alone and not used, the TV will return to the ‘dust’ due to the inevitable process of entropy (albeit some parts much sooner than others).

When the TV is plugged in and turned on, it seems to come to life, after a fashion; and indeed someone who had never lived with such modern inventions might actually think it was alive. Ask a child where the picture goes when the TV is turned off and they will probably say, ‘I don’t know.’ That picture is an ethereal wonder of ideas transferred in vibrational energy (waves)—a moving image of color, with sounds, that presents to the human observer a progressive presentation of ideas originating from another human mind. This presentation becomes a part of the viewer’s existence by leaving an impression of a relatively permanent nature in their mind, whether it is merely the recollection of a movie watched in the past or added knowledge about the world such as what might be gained watching the Discovery or History channels.

Now, think of the TV as your physical body, and the electricity as the Spirit of God, which He breathed into Adam’s nostrils to make Adam a ‘living soul.’ Now, think of the picture on the TV screen as the ‘living soul,’ and the power cord as the ‘silver cord’ written of in Ecclesiastes.

Religious theory is completely divorced from Sciencific theory. Science never reaches a complete conclusion because it seeks, generally speaking, to divorce itself from things not observable. Spiritual pursuits are only one half of the whole, and Science provides the other half. They are not rightly put in opposition to one another, and only through their unity can complete understanding come about.

In reality, science is actually the observations man is able to make concerning the results of God’s workings:

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:19-20 KJV

‘Eternal life’ and ‘salvation’ as presented by christianity are not resolved in a logical manner.

Concerning the biblical concepts of salvation, life and death, these ideas seek to represent the understanding that the only ‘rescue’ (salvation) from ‘death’ (which is being bound in by the limited perception of material existence as a complete reality) beyond the ‘gates of hell’ (essentially the grave which is inherent within the closed system of organic nature). The narrow way that end at the narrow gate is the only way out of the closed system that is the material realm. All things bound within nature’s boundaries are a part of a perpetual food chain and cyclic exchange of oxygen/carbon dioxide that define ‘life’, and will experience, without exception, individual death of their material carbon based components. However, nature as a whole is an eternally living entity, because of the cycle of life-->death-->life.

When Messiah said ‘I am the Way, the Truth and the Light’ and that no one could reach the Father except through Him, He was not founding a religion, He was not setting the stage for the exclusive unrighteousness of Christianity. Unrighteousness is injustice and an unfair, biased judgment. God is righteous and so must we be in all our relations with each other.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 6:33 KJV

When we seek His righteousness we are loving one another without respect to persons and devoid of condemnation and comparison. His kingdom is the whole--comprised of both the material and the spiritual. Only by first making love and truth priority can God be sought. This is how understanding is then arrived at--and what is meant by 'all these things will be added unto you.'

He was instructing, in allegory and with parables, on the only way to overcome the entropy (death) of nature’s closed system (grave) by turning away ('repenting') from the worldly view and focus that says material existence is complete (which is 'sin')--because it is only one-half of the complete whole and can not provide any lasting benefit to us.

There is just one possible way out, according to the fundamental structure of creation as governed by the Laws of God (which, in fact, are not legalistic ordinances but the principles of thermodynamics and quantum physics which provide order and function to all systems, perceived by humanity as ‘love’, ‘truth’, ‘balance’, and ‘order’). The Resurrection was a demonstration that life is something not confined to either one of the two halves. Unless we believe that life lies beyond our current conception, then we will not be able to pass through.

By serving us as the appointed manifestation of God and man, Christ is the demonstration and embodiment of both this system and the other half which lies outside of human experience. Therefore He is truly the only hope we have, but each of us, individually—outside of religious doctrines and scientific experiments.

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