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Originally posted by BigTrain
In modern air to air combat, you have to go with the records and stats a reality, go with the f-16 every time, the f-14, f-15, f-16, f-18 have never been taken out in air to air combat, hundreds of kills, to zero. Nobody can match that kind of success.
Originally posted by BigTrain
In modern air to air combat, you have to go with the records and stats a reality, go with the f-16 every time, the f-14, f-15, f-16, f-18 have never been taken out in air to air combat, hundreds of kills, to zero. Nobody can match that kind of success.
Originally posted by waynos
I too don't know enough to call it, the F-16 is 31 years old but has been constantly developed and upgraded in that time.
One thing I wonder about with the J-10, assuming BVR hasn't worked and a dogfight ensues, is just how manouverable is it? Yes its an FBW delta canard, and therefore should be very manouverable, but its wing does seem incredibly small in relation to thje rest of it and I wonder how efficient it is at hauling the J-10 around in the sky. Rafale and Typhoon have wings that appear to be twice as big, relatively speaking, and we know how they can fling themselves around.
Originally posted by waynos
The number of engines is not really the point. I am not talking in terms of a direct size comparison, but rather in relative terms.
The Typhoon is 4.5 ft longer than the J-10 but has a 7 ft longer wingspan. The Typhoons wing area is almost 540 sq ft compared to 356 sq ft on the J-10. So even if the Typhoon was scaled down to the same length as the J-10 and made single engined (a la BAE P 106) then the wing and leading edge and trailing edge control surfaces would still be bigger, and thus more effective.
With the F-16 the wing is more centrally placed on the fuselage so the moment arm is completely different from the J-10, this allows practical use of a smaller wing but there is an awful lot of J-10 ahead of that tiny wing, this does not suggest good agility without a TVC nozzle, which I don't know if the J-10 has. If it does then that blows my point out of the water but aerodynamically speaking, the J-10 does not appear to be designed for out and out agility.
Originally posted by BigTrain
And PLEASE stop mentioning pilot training, we all know the US pilot training is beyond any body else.
This is not biased, its reality.
Train
Originally posted by BigTrain
And PLEASE stop mentioning pilot training, we all know the US pilot training is beyond any body else.
Train
Originally posted by BigTrain
The question was j-10 vs f-16, I made my decision as easy and plainly understandable as I could. Based on the fact that the f-series has utterly dominated everything, missile, radar and tracking abilities are far beyond any other country.
J-10 is a mediocore fighter from a militarily developing country. F-16 would run circles around it.
And PLEASE stop mentioning pilot training, we all know the US pilot training is beyond any body else. This is not biased, its reality.
Train
Originally posted by Darkpr0
Originally posted by BigTrain
And PLEASE stop mentioning pilot training, we all know the US pilot training is beyond any body else.
Train
Then how come our pilots in their crappy little CF-18's beat down you guys in your fancy little jets in Top Gun? For reference "our" refers to our Canadian pilots.
Canada Rules
Originally posted by BigTrain
In modern air to air combat, you have to go with the records and stats a reality, go with the f-16 every time, the f-14, f-15, f-16, f-18 have never been taken out in air to air combat, hundreds of kills, to zero. Nobody can match that kind of success.