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Shadow President Karl Rove Calls to Discuss Miers Nomination with Real President James Dobson

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posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 12:13 PM
Talk about leaks. Some process. Look who knew before anyone else.

Conservatives Are Wary Over President's Selection
New York Times
Published: October 4, 2005

WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 - The White House scrambled on Monday to prevent conservative opposition to the president's choice of the White House counsel Harriet E. Miers as his next Supreme Court nominee.

Karl Rove, the president's top political adviser, started calling influential social conservatives to reassure them about the pick even before it was announced. He called James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, over the weekend, and Richard Land, a top public policy official of the Southern Baptist Convention on Monday morning, said several people briefed on the calls. Paul Weyrich, the veteran conservative organizer, said Ed Gillespie, the former Republican Party chairman lobbying for confirmation, called at 7:10 a.m. to tell him the news.

In each call and in a series of teleconferences throughout the day, representatives of the White House promised their conservative supporters that as White House counsel, Ms. Miers had played a central role in picking the many exemplars of conservatism among Mr. Bush's previous nominees.

Some of the efforts evidently bore fruit. By day's end, Mr. Dobson, one of the most influential evangelical conservatives, welcomed the nomination. "Some of what I know I am not at liberty to talk about," he said in an interview, explaining his decision to speak out in support of Ms. Miers. He declined to discuss his conversations with the White House.

Right. Because it would violate the integrity of the confirmation process of a Supreme Court Justice of the United States if the American people or their representatives who's duty it is to understand this woman's qualifications and positions ever got a whiff of the "need to know" secrets reserved exclusively for fundamentalist whack job theocrats like Dobson and Weyrich that really run this country. I mean did Rove call Osama too to see what he thinks? Why not? I'm sure he's got a red phone into Bush's brain as well.

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 05:41 PM
My understanding of this fast transcript summarizing President Dobson's weekly address to the nation is that it was taken by a local blogger earlier today.

Dobson dedicated his entire half-hour radio show to the Miers nomination today. Below is my short write-up of what he had to say:

Dobson is clearly conflicted about this, at times literally begging the Lord for guidance. Dobson said this has been "One of the more difficult weeks that I can remember" and that he needs to "speak [his] heart" because of the "unprecedented significance" of this nomination.

Dobson cited the Bible when he talks about the split among the right-wing over the nomination, saying "There have been many disagreements in the Scripture between men of faith who were seeking the mind of God and I think that is what's going on here."

He went on the claim that "I'm getting calls from members of Congress saying 'tell us your take on this, we're not sure what we think of Harriet Miers.'" He then admitted "It was leaked to the media that I've had conversations with Karl Rove and the White House, which is true."

He said "There is so much in the balance [with this nominee], there is no way to put it into words . . . Because of that, Dobson is begging the Lord: "If this is not the person you want on that Supreme Court, all you have to do is tell me so, and do it through any means you want to."

He finally then discussed why he is supporting Miers, saying "I can't reveal it all, because I do know things that I'm privy to that I can't describe, because of confidentiality." He then states that Miers "is a deeply committed Christian" and that people who know her have all told him that "she will not be a disappointment."

"I believe in trusting this president and this time because of the stand that he has taken and the way he has implemented it consistently for four and a half years. When you put that with all the other information that I have been able to gather - and you'll have to trust me on this one - when you know some of the things that I know, that I probably shouldn't know, that take me in this direction, you will understand why I have said, with fear and trepidation, why I have said why I believe that Harriet Miers will be a good justice."

He then states that "if I have made a mistake here ... the blood of those babies that will die will be on my hands, to some degree. And that's why it has weighed so heavily on me" before telling the right wing to let the confirmation process play out and not undermine Miers before the hearings.

Who's your daddy Republican Party? Why President Dobson, of course!

[edit on 5-10-2005 by RANT]

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:24 PM
Rant I have been telling that the Republican party ownership is disputed between the Religious groups, corporate power and anybody that gave the big bucks to financed the leaders that we have now in power.

After all Pat publicly give himself credit for putting Bush in the presidential seat.

Now these interest groups are destroying the party from within.

And for Rove I still can not understand what in the heck he is still doing walking free in our nation, he, cheney and Libby should all be in jail for treason.

Why so many Republican supporters can not see the truth? their party has been hijacked.

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 06:41 PM

Originally posted by marg6043
And for Rove I still can not understand what in the heck he is still doing walking free in our nation, he, cheney and Libby should all be in jail for treason.

Insiders say he's been noticable absent from normal public rounds since the White House leak of Plame heated back up. He was not at Bush's side to announce Miers. That's unprecedented. They usually make Bush take his brain with him when he goes out. But that's another leak and another indictment for another day.

As for what the hell President Dobson is doing as the latest unapproved spy (no that's the guy from the Phillipines in Cheney's office), gay male escort (no that's the guy from McClellan's cesspool), evangelical (ding, ding, ding!) running around the White House with access to confidential information...

Salazar sweats Miers
Evangelist Dobson's inside knowledge unnerves senator
By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News
October 5, 2005

James Dobson - "the AntiChrist of the World" as per Ken Salazar, D-CO

..."Some of what I know I am not at liberty to talk about," [Dobson] told the newspaper.

That statement bothers Salazar, a first-term Denver Democrat who describes Miers as a "blank slate" whose views are little known.

"It's troublesome to me the comment would be made," Salazar said at a Tuesday news conference in Denver. "It seems to me, all of the (information) the White House knows about Harriet Miers should be made available to the Senate and the American people. If they're making information available to Dr. Dobson - whom I respect and disagree with from time to time - I believe that information should be shared equally with a U.S. senator."

Dobson and Salazar had a widely publicized clash over judicial nominations earlier this year, after the political arm of Focus on the Family began running ads pressuring Salazar to give all Bush's judicial nominees up-or-down votes.

Salazar began blasting Dobson and his group and publicly accused them of trying to "hijack religion" and turn the United States into a "theocracy." In one interview, Salazar called Dobson and his organization "the antichrist of the world," although he later expressed regret and said he only meant to call their actions "un-Christian."

The latest controversy has more to do with the White House and its policies about sharing information with senators charged with confirming or rejecting the president's judicial nominees.

I don't know if James Dobson is really the anti-Christ, but I'm pretty sure he's keeping his seat warm. And he seems to think he's real damn important when it comes to running the US Government.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by RANT]

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 07:05 PM
He called my house on Friday night. I was in the middle of basting a brisket for some "associates" from "the firm." He blathered on for a while about how shrub was going to appoint one of those chicks from the Dallas legal aid rotation. . . .

He kept hinting around that he wanted to come over an use the swimming pool, but I don't like him being around my kids. The guy creeps me out. I told him he could go bowling with me an Goss if we get a league up before the Holidays. He asked what I was doing and I told him I had to go.

Rover always does that when he sniffs something in the wind. Even if it's just my cayenne-&-chili-rubbed brisket.

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 08:58 PM

Originally posted by RANT

I don't know if James Dobson is really the anti-Christ, but I'm pretty sure he's keeping his seat warm. And he seems to think he's real damn important when it comes to running the US Government.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by RANT]

I though that was Pat job to criticizes the government decisions and to influence with his own, its Dobson related to Pat in any way.

posted on Oct, 5 2005 @ 09:27 PM
"Shadow President Karl Rove Calls to Discuss Miers Nomination with Real President James Dobson"

I think marg's right too - all the high rollin' contributors are fighting over the bones, and destrroying the Republican party from within....

posted on Oct, 9 2005 @ 07:23 PM
One of the problems outlined here with the Republican Party as Rant shows in its starting thread.

The Party in order to win the elections sold their soul to two groups the Christian Rights and the corporate elite that most of them belong too anyway.

The Christian rights won them the popularity, while the corporate elite finance the party.

Everything went their way, while lying to the Christian conservatives as what the party was all about while pulling preferences to the corporate site.

Money and power took over the religious right and now they are pulling away screaming foul play.

That is why the Christian rights are starting to complain we have Karl Rove reassuring them that Ms. Miers will be a good choice to their cause along with Mr. Roberts.

That will keep them quiet for a while.

posted on Oct, 11 2005 @ 08:11 PM
It's the Democrats fault!

ANOTHER LOOK AT THE MIERS NOMINATION (rough, unedited transcript)

President Dobson's October 12th address to the nation.
Focus on the Family's 30-minute daily radio program is aired on over 3,000 radio facilities each day across the United States.

What an infomercial!

John: It’s Wednesday. I’m John Fuller and you’re tuned to “FOF” with psychologist and author, Dr. James Dobson. And Doctor, what a crazy week you’ve had!

JCD: Well, John, if our listeners and friends have been monitoring the news on radio and television and the Internet and if they have been listening to other talk shows in the past week, then they know well, that I have been a topic of conversation from the nation's Capitol to the tiniest burg and farming community. And the issue that's propelled this unprecedented interest in something that I've said is my conversation with Deputy White House Chief of Staff, Karl Rove, that occurred on October 1st, just a few days ago. And that was the day before President Bush made his decision to nominate White House Counsel, Harriet Miers, to be the next Justice of the Supreme Court.

Now, as you know and as I'm sure many of our listeners know, there are members of the judiciary committee who are running from one talk show to another, threatening to subpoena me to find out what occurred in that conversation with Karl Rove. And I am going to make their job easier (Laughter), because in the next few minutes, I'm gonna tell them what I would say to them if I were sitting before the judiciary committee. And this is the essence of what transpired between the Deputy Chief of Staff of the White House and me. So, is that clear?

John: I think that is. And for our listeners, you wouldn't believe all that's going on here at Focus, as so many of the mainstream media--most of the mainstream media--is contacting us. They, like those Senators, want to know, "What does Dr. Dobson know? What did he talk about? Tell us, please."

JCD: Well, John, I think it's time that I did that.

John: Okay, before you do though, it probably would be helpful for our listeners to understand why you can talk about that now and previously you couldn’t.

JCD: Yeah, I haven’t been willing to. The reason is because Karl Rove has now given me permission to go public with our conversation. And I’m gonna say a little more about that in a minute.

John: Okay. Well, fill us in then on what happened.

JCD: Well, let me go back through the sequence of events and...and explain what happened.

So he does. And he comes off real important and bestest buds with "Karl."

Then he explains what he "knows" and why Christian Conservatives are stuck with ol' Hustlin Harriet...

So, I wouldn’t reveal any of the details about the call, although I did say to these pro-family leaders, which has been widely quoted, that Karl had told me something that I probably shouldn’t know. And you know, it really wasn’t all that tantalizing, but I still couldn't talk about it. And what I was referring to is the fact that on Saturday, the day before the President made his decision, I knew that Harrier Miers was at the top of the short list of names under consideration. And as you know, that information hadn’t been released yet, and everyone in Washington and many people around the country wanted to know about it and the fact that he had shared with me is not something I wanted to reveal.

But we also talked about something else, and I think this is the first time this has been disclosed. Some of the other candidates who had been on that short list, and that many conservatives are now upset about were highly qualified individuals that had been passed over. Well, what Karl told me is that some of those individuals took themselves off that list and they would not allow their names to be considered, because the process has become so vicious and so vitriolic and so bitter, that they didn’t want to subject themselves or the members of their families to it.

So, even today, many conservatives and many of ‘em friends of mine, are being interviewed on talk shows and national television programs. And they’re saying, “Why didn’t the President appoint so-and-so? He or she would have been great. They had a wonderful judicial record. They would have been the kind of person we’ve been hoping and working and praying for to be on the Court. Well, it very well may be that those individuals didn’t want to be appointed.

John: For understandable reasons, because the grilling that they get in that confirmation process is just brutal.

JCD: Well, it’s true. The Democrats have so politicized that process that it’s become an ordeal and many people just don’t want to go through that. And I’m not sure I blame them.

That's right. They're chicken. You know how shy fundamentalists can be.

Tell me something though Dr. Dobson
if the Religious Right is just too chicken to stack the Supreme Court, then why does the President go quack, quack?

Something's foul in this cop out.

[edit on 12-10-2005 by RANT]

posted on Oct, 11 2005 @ 08:29 PM
Hum. . .its some speculations that Ms. Miers may drop due to the pressure, so I kind of fee that if she does drop from the appointment it was probably part of the whole game played here.

Now, also in an interview that Scalia gave he said that the confirmation process was too politicized and that he wouldn't want to experience it again.

Taking in consideration that scalia is a "conservative Republicans as their ideal model of a judge" his words are kind of blatant specially when Bush a Republican is appointing new Judges.

It seems that Scalia was fond of O'Connor's and in his interview said that he will miss her.

If there was anybody that has been sort of the social glue of the court, it's been Sandra and I will miss her," Scalia said.

I guess perhaps the "Reassurance" that Karl Rove was giving to the conservative "group" was because probably Miers will not make it.

But then why other more well know conservatives judge candidates with better credentials were by pass for Miers is another question.

Whit all the skeletons in all these republicans closet I guess is hard to chose.

posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 06:15 AM
The White House is now saying they can't confirm Dobson's account. No Judge's on the short list "dropped out" that they can confirm. Pffft.

This is like the time Robertson and Bush got in that "NO, you're the liar" contest.

Why can't these fundie whack jobs see how embarrassing they are to their beloved Christian President? Hmmm?

posted on Oct, 12 2005 @ 02:42 PM
Well the latest on the Dobson: What Rove Said About Miers

He, he, this is good, so the argument on this is about what Rove told Dobson, so the question is what he said, that he could rest assured that Miers will vote againts Roe vs. Wade?


Had Dobson received an assurance from Rove that Miers, now the White House counsel, would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade? Democrats suspected so, and said they would call Dobson as a witness at her confirmation hearing, which is likely to begin late this month or in early November.

It seems that some confidential words were exchange after all, Right?

Well Rove that we already know how he love to leak information, now gave permission to Dobson so he can tell what the nature of their conversation was.

According to Dobson, Rove said the President "was looking for a certain kind of candidate, namely a woman." Rove added that Miers "was at the top of the short list of names under consideration," but that others had withdrawn from consideration. "Some of the other candidates who had been on that short list, and that many conservatives are now upset about, were highly qualified individuals that had been passed over," Dobson says. "What Karl told me is that some of those individuals took themselves off that list and they would not allow their names to be considered, because the process has become so vicious and so vitriolic and so bitter, that they didn't want to subject themselves or the members of their families to it."

So now the qualifications for Miers meet the criteria of Dobson moral views.

Miers is refer by the million dollar seller of "Dare to Dicipline"

1. Harriet Miers is an Evangelical Christian

2. She is from a very conservative church, which is almost universally pro-life the is the best qualification of all

3. She had taken on the American Bar Association on the issue of abortion and fought for a policy that would not be supportive of abortion.

4. She had been a member of the Texas Right to Life.

So there you have it these are Ms. Miers qualifications enough to keep the moral majority happy.
and occurs one of the best contributors the Focus on the Family founder, Dobson.

It seems that Rove can not keep his big mouth close.

posted on Oct, 20 2005 @ 06:54 PM
I HATE Dobson. My grandmother listened faithfully to his drivel. It is he who brainwashed my grandmother into destroying my hard built record collection because it had "Satanic" bands such as Ozzy Osbourne, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden,.....and yes......Prince. From that point on I had to hide my music, bury it in boxes and places to keep it safe.

To think that this paranoid religous fascist turd sandwich is privy to information that is supposed to be classified makes me wretch. He is in the same category as Osama Bin Laden as far as I am concerned.


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