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Originally posted by tomcat ha
F15's are old planes. They cant be compared with modern and future russian planes.
You can get a lock on a raptor. You can shoot it down. Russia has had missiles that can shoot down things like the B-2 for ages. Why wouldn't they sell them to people buying the Sukhoi's? I think they'd sell anything to anyone, as they seem to do.
F-15? MiG-29 can take one out.
F-15 is good, but she is getting on a bit. Su-30 can beat an F-15 with relative ease.
Originally posted by prelude
even if I believe in your ignorant statement are you sure the sub systems of the Raptor can keep it in air for an hour or two in order to destroy the Sukhoi.....how can you beat a plane in A2A combat when you plane cant even FLY properly? USA basically wasted their money while developing the Raptor
Originally posted by Teh_Gerbil
You can get a lock on a raptor. You can shoot it down. Russia has had missiles that can shoot down things like the B-2 for ages. Why wouldn't they sell them to people buying the Sukhoi's? I think they'd sell anything to anyone, as they seem to do.
F-15? MiG-29 can take one out. F-15 is good, but she is getting on a bit. Su-30 can beat an F-15 with relative ease.
The Raptor's main ability is it's semi-stealth....
Think of the Number of Raptors Versus the amount of Su-30's you can buy for the money. At the end, it'd just be a remaining few Sukhoi's going home.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
You can get a lock on a raptor. You can shoot it down. Russia has had missiles that can shoot down things like the B-2 for ages. Why wouldn't they sell them to people buying the Sukhoi's? I think they'd sell anything to anyone, as they seem to do.
How is the Sukhoi going to get a lock on the Raptor, when the Raptor has better radar and lower RCS than the Sukhoi?
Also care to name the missiles that can shoot down the B-2?
Originally posted by WestPoint23
F-15 is good, but she is getting on a bit. Su-30 can beat an F-15 with relative ease.
Can you provide any proof of this, and please don't mention the India Cope crap or else I will suffer from brain trauma.
[edit on 31-8-2005 by WestPoint23]
The fact that Russia can't afford to develope a fifth generation fighter by itself is pretty hilarious, even with a 22% increase in defense spending.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
That's it! Argument over. Grunt has spoken.. We're all wrong, no matter what sources we have, and what quotes we have.
There is a lot about the B-2 we don't know, and won't know for years, besides just the RCS of it.
Originally posted by jetsetter
"Official" russian figures given for weapon systems leave much to be desired. The Russian usually overstate their weapon capabilities while American weapons companies tend to be conservative about figures they give out.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Well the Russians have gone public to say that the first flight is in 2007
Do you think the Raptors of 2007 will be the same as 2005? Heck, while still under wraps, they tested improvement after improvement. The US doesn't rest when a design rolls off the assembly line, it's continually improved. Even older planes like the F-15's of today, are far and above those of just a few years prior...
Echoing the comments of others, notably Seekerof, etc. I have no doubt the Russians are fully capable of building such a fighter. Indeed, more likely than not, the full plans of the Raptor are sitting in the Kremlin files (the Soviets always were better than us at the spy game)...BUT, and here's the big BUT, they simply don't have the economic resources to build them.
Originally posted by grunt2
only common knowledge, below 2-3Ghz there is nothing tha you can hide, the expansive propieties of the wave is too pronunciated, yes you have lower resolution, but that is fixed with software-interpolation, most modern missiles use their tracking systems in their heads, tracking radars are veeeeery important in older pasive guidance systems
[edit on 1-9-2005 by grunt2]
When NASA first started sending up astronauts, they quickly
discovered that ballpoint pens would not work in zero gravity.
To combat the problem, NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 Billion
to develop a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down,
underwater, on almost any surface including glass, and at
temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees C.
The Russians used a pencil !
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Yeah but what about that russian missile which claims to track objects with RCS as low as 0.02 metres??
Anteny-2500 or something its called..
Its covered on globalsecurity.com
Originally posted by grunt2
only common knowledge, below 2-3Ghz there is nothing tha you can hide, the expansive propieties of the wave is too pronunciated, yes you have lower resolution, but that is fixed with software-interpolation, most modern missiles use their tracking systems in their heads, tracking radars are veeeeery important in older pasive guidance systems