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Originally posted by lostinspace
I agree Hitler was trying to achieve perfection of Atlantis. He had his people researching the enigma before he launched his campagn. I really never though about it before but the comment made about Hitler contacting god and having divine backing and even touching the blood stained cloth seems to make more sense now. I was watching a program today on the History Channel about how the the Nazis fooled the allies so many times throughout the war. It seemed Hitler was always ahead of the game. They said on the program that it was so strange that the Germans would always be at the right place at the right time. I will now bet that when Hitler and his people were searching for the secrets of Atlantis they stumbled across something not of this world. Remember my comments of the Foo Fighters chassing the all the combat planes of World War II. The Foo Fighters are even shown on ancient cave paintings of Cuba and Maya base-reliefs. Its highly possible that the famous ancient civilization lay at the bottom of the Caribbean. Hitler had help alright, but its not who you think, its the other guy. That's how Hitler's army could stay ahead of the game, they employed the spirit realm or that the spirit realm began to help them. Hitler's army was doing what they always dreamed.
Originally posted by obzkured
this topic will be posted in the secret societies as well as in the paranormal studies.
first i want to clearly state that this is not a thread against secret societies,
beyond the suspected masonry of Hitler and Beyond any hate.
i am a begginer in this above top secret stuff, my introduction message was just that i wanted to know. keep that in mind.
so, can anyone please give me information about the relatioship betwen hitler, secret societies, magic, Crowley etc.?.
i know this topic may have been posted lots of times, sorry guys, i'm just a newbie who wants to learn.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
When I began to notice a pattern, that almost all of the groups who preach hatred and conspiracy against Freemasons are either White Supremecists, Extreme right wing religous nuts, communists, fascists ect, I began suspect the Freemasons of evil doing less and less, since the people who hate them most tend to be the model of what is wrong with humanity.
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
Well, keep your eyes open. I disagree with your 'finding,' but that's O.K. As you referred to earlier- it is maybe just the vocal ones you notice.
There is a lot of smoke and mirrors regarding many things. Every now and then- truly by accident, I stumble into one of these Secret Society threads. This one because of Hitler. Look at the threads in here.
Not much gets past the first few steps regarding any 'secret society' until the Masons pop into the thread. When that happens the thread degenerates.
What is sad here at ATS is that the Masons can't step back and look at other things. When their favorite calling gets mentioned an instant target appears. Think about all the Templar, Rosicrucian, Vril, Thule, Golden Dawn, Golden Circle and others that can't get discussed because of this. There is fairly standard serve and return, I sometimes wonder if a few of the detractors aren't just red herrings!.
The only groups it is safe to slam are the supremacist groups. This by itself makes me suspicious.
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
sebatwerk, will you please give your whining a rest. Drop the mason act and act like a human being, if thats possible
Originally posted by obzkured
this topic will be posted in the secret societies as well as in the paranormal studies.
first i want to clearly state that this is not a thread against secret societies,
beyond the suspected masonry of Hitler and Beyond any hate.
i am a begginer in this above top secret stuff, my introduction message was just that i wanted to know. keep that in mind.
so, can anyone please give me information about the relatioship betwen hitler, secret societies, magic, Crowley etc.?.
i know this topic may have been posted lots of times, sorry guys, i'm just a newbie who wants to learn.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
The only groups it is safe to slam are the supremacist groups. This by itself makes me suspicious.
That is absolutely UNTRUE! We are only trying to clear our names from the lies that have been told about us for centuries! You would do the same thing if you were in my position, I guarantee you.
Whenever someone starts an HONEST discussion about Freemasonry, all we do is participate like normal people.
But we are here to educate people about THE TRUTH of Freemasonry, and none of the conspiracy theorists on this forum will have any of it. Like we're untrustworthy or something.
And the threads do not degenerate when we get involved. They end because nobody can provide ANY EVIDENCE for the claims they made.
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
This in itself should tell you something. You like being a mason and you like masonry-fine. Some are not masons and some do not like masonry- why is it that is not also fine?
Other than the recruiting threads, when is that- never! This is a conspiracy site- wake up. To discuss Girl Scouts, Masonry or any other 'groups' in a positive and non-accusatory manner this is not the place.
Come on- you can't even post that without a slight wry smile. Like I said, I have read the threads. If some of the 'shooters' were at an archery tournament they would have gotten a few prizes.
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
Other than the recruiting threads, when is that- never! This is a conspiracy site- wake up. To discuss Girl Scouts, Masonry or any other 'groups' in a positive and non-accusatory manner this is not the place.
Originally posted by Trinityman
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
This has got to be the most stupid thing I have ever seen posted on ATS. This individual just wants to sit around in their own private little world throwing accusations out and generally being negative with no throught or consideration for reality or the truth, which would clearly just spoil the fun.
Ignorance 1 Reality 0
Whenever someone starts an HONEST discussion about Freemasonry, all we do is participate like normal people.
Other than the recruiting threads, when is that- never! This is a conspiracy site- wake up. To discuss Girl Scouts, Masonry or any other 'groups' in a positive and non-accusatory manner this is not the place.
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
What accusations? Where's the negativity?
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
Let's let the people that want to post some 'what ifs' and make spurious connections have some space. Let people explore and ramble instead of adherence to some arcane set of myth inspired precepts that you or someone else decides is proper.
How is it possible to deny ignorance when questions relating to knowledge are constantly herded? I don't see that it is possible.
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
I feel Hitler got rid of the masons because he found out that it was their organisation that was reponsible for hidding the occult (Hidden) information he was seeking. They refused to aid him, so they had to go!
Its not nice to be stingee with a dictator!
Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
I feel Hitler got rid of the masons because he found out that it was their organisation that was reponsible for hidding the occult (Hidden) information he was seeking. They refused to aid him, so they had to go!
Its not nice to be stingee with a dictator!
It is possible that the freemasons refused to go along with him, and he basically would have crushed them, as he did to most who stood in his way.
You are a resilliant opponent to these masons, and it seems that everyone that is on your side bails out on you, leaving the masons to tear your ideas apart, looking for flaws in your wordings and ideas. The lack of credible evidence that is unique to your side of the argument is a tough battle for you to fight as well. Thanks to your posts there usually is some factual content generated within the discussion. Also, without your posts it would be a pretty boring and lame discussion, so why not, keep 'em coming.