British TV Presenter Refuses To Use Guest's Preferred Pronouns

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Therealbeverage

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Therealbeverage

So if we have an agreed upon language and people are changing that its ok?

The English language has evolved over the Centuries and continues to evolve , the problem here isn't language changing but people having their paradigms challenged.

Words of the Prophet David Bowie.
"I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence
And so the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through"

Change will happen whether we like it or not.

Gortex I love your posts they are often based on science. So science me this xx and xy it's simple the other thing that is simple is gender dysphoria happens but in a very very small amount that is unless you exaggerate the numbers! This is mostly based on a fetish of men.

The brain tells you who you are.

Not the wrappings.

Kinda like the people that think they are cats? So you are saying this is a mental illness then? Got it!

originally posted by: Therealbeverage

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Therealbeverage

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Therealbeverage

So if we have an agreed upon language and people are changing that its ok?

The English language has evolved over the Centuries and continues to evolve , the problem here isn't language changing but people having their paradigms challenged.

Words of the Prophet David Bowie.
"I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence
And so the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through"

Change will happen whether we like it or not.

Gortex I love your posts they are often based on science. So science me this xx and xy it's simple the other thing that is simple is gender dysphoria happens but in a very very small amount that is unless you exaggerate the numbers! This is mostly based on a fetish of men.

The brain tells you who you are.

Not the wrappings.

Kinda like the people that think they are cats? So you are saying this is a mental illness then? Got it!

Some poster always has to bring this in.

Congratulations!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: Annee

Yes, Mental is the thought process of the brain -- and tells you who you are.

I think you missed my point. What someone’s brain tells them can be influenced and misguided. Just because its YOUR brain doesn’t mean it was totally independent in developmental thinking . Just like a lot of the trans kids being groomed, indoctrined and brainwashed to be something they may not be or a child being programmed to hate. Your kid would grow up to most likely hate conservatives,Trump, Christians/religion and think a dude in a dress is perfectly normal because it was a learned thought process from you, they weren’t necessarily born that way nor is it a normal. I keep hearing you constantly say kids are born the way they are, that isn’t entirely true at all. Kids have many things that are mentally learned behaviors that are easily influenced

I did not miss your point.

And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

We went through this with homosexuality -- which most people now accept is how a person is born. Same thing.

However, IMO -- some/many are actually non-binary -- it's just conditioning that pushes us to decide one or the other gender.

Eventually, I think that won't be necessary.

I’ve heard you countless times say that kids are born and wired the way they are, which for the most part is false and you just proved it in your logic and comments. Pretty positive you were a proponent for the graphic porn literature in schools, you defended it, hate DeSantis blah blah... Now you’re saying, yes kids are programmed and indoctrinated and as a adults they have to remove all the rubbish they were taught to find out who they are.

So, why are you so pissed off against people who do not want your garbage taught or available to children in school or parents that don’t want experimental drugs given to their children or the children groomed by the blg community? Your hypocrisy is insane and you seem to be just fine indoctrinating your children with a ideology they might regret later which you’re denouncing in your comments as rubbish🙄. I’m not even going into the experimental meds I assume you’re giving or supporting to give to children. All that changes them mentally.

I'll just wait for the science to prove me right.

If my posts bother you so much, you can skip them.

In other words…you’ll just wait for them to redefine science until it fits your narrative, got it.

Science is "known knowledge".

There are lots of things that exist -- that science is yet to have factual knowledge of.

Some science has been around since the beginning of time. I don’t think it took them all that long to figure out that only women can give birth. You do know there’s never been a child ever born on the planet that didn’t pass through a woman? Logic and a couple of brain cells will tell you that just because a dude wants to call himself a woman, doesn’t make him one. Not “padlocked” just facts of reality you’ve been brainwashed to ignore. Yeah, let’s wait for that science to prove you right, hope you’re not going anywhere for awhile 🤣🤣🤣

I will continue to move forward with science discoveries.

Locked brains can remain where they are.

originally posted by: Annee
I will continue to move forward with science discoveries.

Locked brains can remain where they are.

I’m all for scientific advancement. I actually don’t think we’re putting enough energy to it. But… your not waiting for science to advance as much as you’re waiting for science to be redefined to agree with the what you’ve been duped into believing. A guy that says he’s a woman has a different thought process than a biological woman, they’re mentally and physically different. Men don’t have mood swings the way a woman does with periods or during menopause, they’re different. A man can never be a woman “ science” has proved this.

My sister is trans but understands she has gender dysphoria, understands that she is biologically a male, and understands that the various stress, and anxiety caused by often feeling disgusted in her male body, are all mental health struggles. This is the type of person I consider "real trans". As in, not brainwashed and not trying to brainwash anybody else. Not trying to be something they're not. Just trying to understand themselves. It's why I personally have no issue using her pronouns, because I find it respectful, as opposed to feeding into a delusion.

It's the delusional ones and other forces that want to rewrite history and indoctrinate the children.

DEI is prevalent in schools, movies, television, games, commercial products, etc. It's an agenda, though I don't know who or what is at "the top" behind it all. We will continue to see "woke" DEI agendas, especially since ESG scores are a thing.

Buck Angel - A Trans Man - Calling it Out (YouTube Channel)

originally posted by: Annee
Locked brains can remain where they are.

Would you consider members of the LGBTQ community who agree there is some sort of agenda being pushed to have "locked brains"?

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: Annee

Yes, Mental is the thought process of the brain -- and tells you who you are.

I think you missed my point. What someone’s brain tells them can be influenced and misguided. Just because its YOUR brain doesn’t mean it was totally independent in developmental thinking . Just like a lot of the trans kids being groomed, indoctrined and brainwashed to be something they may not be or a child being programmed to hate. Your kid would grow up to most likely hate conservatives,Trump, Christians/religion and think a dude in a dress is perfectly normal because it was a learned thought process from you, they weren’t necessarily born that way nor is it a normal. I keep hearing you constantly say kids are born the way they are, that isn’t entirely true at all. Kids have many things that are mentally learned behaviors that are easily influenced

I did not miss your point.

And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

We went through this with homosexuality -- which most people now accept is how a person is born. Same thing.

However, IMO -- some/many are actually non-binary -- it's just conditioning that pushes us to decide one or the other gender.

Eventually, I think that won't be necessary.

Homosexuality is distinctly different to the believing you are the opposite gender.

Really? And you know this how?

Sexual orientation is not related to perceptions of gender.

Really? And you know this how?

gay man for example is attracted sexually to other gay men or just men. He isn't attracted to women because he knows the difference between men and women. If you can't say what these differences are then again there must something wrong with the way your brain.

So, you're saying attraction is to a specific physical form?

Has nothing to do with brain or body chemicals.

By definition of what homosexuality is. Nothing to do with 'gender identity'. Your sexual orientation doesn't change your gender unless you think it does. You are attracted sexually to men if you are a man but that doesn't make you less of a man. You are still a male and you will be a make forever until you die. Your questions are redundant because the answer has been given already.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
a reply to: Annee

Yes, Mental is the thought process of the brain -- and tells you who you are.

I think you missed my point. What someone’s brain tells them can be influenced and misguided. Just because its YOUR brain doesn’t mean it was totally independent in developmental thinking . Just like a lot of the trans kids being groomed, indoctrined and brainwashed to be something they may not be or a child being programmed to hate. Your kid would grow up to most likely hate conservatives,Trump, Christians/religion and think a dude in a dress is perfectly normal because it was a learned thought process from you, they weren’t necessarily born that way nor is it a normal. I keep hearing you constantly say kids are born the way they are, that isn’t entirely true at all. Kids have many things that are mentally learned behaviors that are easily influenced

I did not miss your point.

And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

We went through this with homosexuality -- which most people now accept is how a person is born. Same thing.

However, IMO -- some/many are actually non-binary -- it's just conditioning that pushes us to decide one or the other gender.

Eventually, I think that won't be necessary.

I’ve heard you countless times say that kids are born and wired the way they are, which for the most part is false and you just proved it in your logic and comments. Pretty positive you were a proponent for the graphic porn literature in schools, you defended it, hate DeSantis blah blah... Now you’re saying, yes kids are programmed and indoctrinated and as a adults they have to remove all the rubbish they were taught to find out who they are.

So, why are you so pissed off against people who do not want your garbage taught or available to children in school or parents that don’t want experimental drugs given to their children or the children groomed by the blg community? Your hypocrisy is insane and you seem to be just fine indoctrinating your children with a ideology they might regret later which you’re denouncing in your comments as rubbish🙄. I’m not even going into the experimental meds I assume you’re giving or supporting to give to children. All that changes them mentally.

I'll just wait for the science to prove me right.

If my posts bother you so much, you can skip them.

If you go about the multiple-gender theories the science will never prove you right.

If you say the brain tells you who you are then you are not making any sense because you try to rationalise mental health issues and disorders.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

Don't care about de-trans.

We are evolving in understanding that humans are more than just He/She.

We have been programmed by "rules of society" to think in either/or -- when it's really a spectrum.

But -- ya know -- the "heel diggers" -- it's always been this way.

And I have no interest in "ping pong" circular rehash. The discussion needs to progress.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

Don't care about de-trans.

We are evolving in understanding that humans are more than just He/She.

We have been programmed by "rules of society" to think in either/or -- when it's really a spectrum.

But -- ya know -- the "heel diggers" -- it's always been this way.

And I have no interest in "ping pong" circular rehash. The discussion needs to progress.

He and she are the only two genders we know of.

It's the gender theorists who are 'evolving' and have come up with the 'spectrum' ideology.

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

Don't care about de-trans.

We are evolving in understanding that humans are more than just He/She.

We have been programmed by "rules of society" to think in either/or -- when it's really a spectrum.

But -- ya know -- the "heel diggers" -- it's always been this way.

And I have no interest in "ping pong" circular rehash. The discussion needs to progress.

He and she are the only two genders we know of.

It's the gender theorists who are 'evolving' and have come up with the 'spectrum' ideology.

I don't see it that way.

I see that "man" created -- put restrictions of what was natural.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

Don't care about de-trans.

We are evolving in understanding that humans are more than just He/She.

We have been programmed by "rules of society" to think in either/or -- when it's really a spectrum.

But -- ya know -- the "heel diggers" -- it's always been this way.

And I have no interest in "ping pong" circular rehash. The discussion needs to progress.

He and she are the only two genders we know of.

It's the gender theorists who are 'evolving' and have come up with the 'spectrum' ideology.

I don't see it that way.

I see that "man" created -- put restrictions of what was natural.

These 'restrictions' are nothing more than natural laws and many isn't involved in the making just as he isn't involved in creating gravity.

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: Annee
And -- again -- I think we spend our adult lives undoing all the indoctrination forced on us as young people.

The big push "Find Yourself" -- why don't you already know yourself? Because you have to dump all the baggage first.

Have you happened to go down the de-trans rabbit hole yet?

Hearing what some now adults have to say about their indoctrination?

Don't care about de-trans.

We are evolving in understanding that humans are more than just He/She.

We have been programmed by "rules of society" to think in either/or -- when it's really a spectrum.

But -- ya know -- the "heel diggers" -- it's always been this way.

And I have no interest in "ping pong" circular rehash. The discussion needs to progress.

He and she are the only two genders we know of.

It's the gender theorists who are 'evolving' and have come up with the 'spectrum' ideology.

I don't see it that way.

I see that "man" created -- put restrictions of what was natural.

These 'restrictions' are nothing more than natural laws and many isn't involved in the making just as he isn't involved in creating gravity.

Uh huh -- and "Two-Spirit" people were irradicated by self-righteous God fearers.

What was natural was feared.

a reply to: Annee

You know Annee,

You always say you care about the science.

You always say you care about the kids.

You said in this very thread many adults have to deal with baggage and unlearning things they've been indoctrinated to believe.

You say detractors are likely right wing Christians or people who have been influenced by bigotry.

You act as though you deny ignorance.

You are firm in your position so much so that you are at an extreme with your opinions.

You continue to not care in the slightest how some of the issues in the trans community show there are problems there.

You don't care in the slightest how those problems are effecting kids after the fact. When from their very own mouths they will tell you they now feel they were indoctrinated as other real mental health struggles were ignored.

I know your heart is in the right place Annee.

But by acting how you do, you inadvertently support groomers and creeps, and can't see the bigger picture because you're blinded by your heart.

IMO, of course.

I'm not asking you to change that part about yourself. But I am telling you from one human being to another, that you should step back and get some perspective.

Because you sound like a hypocritical moron, nine times out of ten. I say that with love, for you, a fellow human being. One who, again, has a big heart, but, again, is blinded by it.

Not saying you need to be anti trans or un-inclusive. The majority of us on the board are not. Though perhaps from your extreme position that willfully ignores things that shake the boat of your narrative, it's one thing you can't see or acknowledge.

You're especially hypocritical because you've said in the past, who are we to know how a person with gender dysphoria feels, yet actively and intentionally neglect to listen to them yourself (detrans).

As you read in my previous post, I have a transgender sister. She shares my opinions on there being an agenda taking advantage of young minds, change definitions, rewrite history, etc.

Many others in the LGBTQ community feel the same way and hate it because the corruption within gives them all a bad name, to people who might not know better.

When my stepdaughter was in High School, she witnessed some of the indoctrination first hand, saying the atmosphere in school was that if you were straight, you were lame. She even briefly questioned her own sexuality and dated another girl.

A best friend whom she loved. But her school wasn't so bad and they didn't keep trying to indoctrinate her into making her believe she was anything she wasn't. She realized that love was platonic.

But that IS happening to numerous children and young adults all over the country, to the point where some states can take children away from homes and immediately start them on gender affirmation care, without knowledge or consent from parents.

Which you support, I'll remind you.

Anything, ANYTHING, done in the darkness and hidden from the eyes of others, is extremely dangerous and wrong. And doing it within the confines of new laws, and policies, sets an even more dangerous precedent.

Please keep your heart big, but open your eyes.

As it stands right now, you're the one who is stuck.