Confessions of a Tormented Catholic

No fear.

Fear is the assumption of what might happen next.

Originally posted by supremetechgoddess
I've been increasingly uncomfortable lately for a reason that's rather difficult to express.

Let's just say that from childhood, I've been a bit peculiar. I used to talk to "things" my father (who is a genuine precog) couldn't see but could sense.

While physical things could be what needs to be looked at I still feel a spiritual side should be dealt with to. I have felt very bad spiritual oppression 3 or 4 times in my life. If I remember right all the cases where when I was going to sleep or woke up from a couple hours of sleep. When Jesus was in the garden and was praying and returned to the disciples and found them sleeping, someone who's book I read said that this is one time when the spiritual entities of evil attack, when a person is tired thus more vulnerable. Also he said these entities can cause tiredness and said as his example that the disciples who were sleeping should not have been that tired because it wasn't that late at night. While I haven't seen entities(and never want to) I have felt oppression and it does give you a creepy feeling and literally feels like part of you is fighting a battle. I pray for God's protection and and end to it by Him.

When people are in a battle against evil forces some things should be remembered. If you are saved and know Christ then you know the ONE(Jesus)who can deliver you, plus you realize that there are evil spiritual entities and you don't want to welcome this you want it to go away.

If you don't know Christ you may not know there are entities who desire to draw you away from God. You might even welcome it because you think, "this might be something to make me special andget me closer to God."

So I'll repeat to supremetechgoddess thatshe needs to do the spiritual stuff I mentioned earlier as well as get a physical checkup(but it sounds like she may have already done this).

As for the RCC stuff the stuff others mentioned, that is what I am talking about, purgatory etc.

Let's say someone has a child and the father/mother has a friend they know who likes to take the child for walks and make cookies with them or go shopping etc. But on these times together the friend is slowly developing and inappropriate relationship and even culturing ideas that certain ways of thinking are right, such as naziism. And this friend even hints at lttle lies about you and is putting doubt and untrust in your child about who you are. When you found out you would be pretty mad.

OK, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever BELIEVES IN HIM, will not perish but have everlasting life".

God hates lying, He wants the truth about salvation to be proclaimed. He wants the truth of who He is to be rightly proclaimed. God wants each and every person who can be viewed as a child from His vantage point to be a child of His. When someone or something leads people away from Him, that is not pleasing to Him.

[edit on 26-4-2005 by dbrandt]

Originally posted by dbrandt
don't pursue the Roman Catholic denomination, that will
not help you and it might have started this.

*sigh*

1. See a good psychologist and medical doctor in case
there are physical or mental problems that can be helped
with medications and/or counseling.

2. Go to a GOOD priest for confession and spiritual guidance.
Usually a monastery is where you will find priests who best
understand the spirit world ... at least usually better than
parish priests.

3. Don't listen to anti-Catholic bigotry. Being Catholic didn't
cause this. That's beyond silly. If you want to be Catholic,
then be Catholic. It isn't connected to the situation.

Originally posted by dbrandt
The Roman Catholic denomination DOES NOT teach salvation.

No db .. the Catholic church does indeed teach Salvation from God
through Christ.

Catholic Catechism - Section 169
Salvation comes from God alone; but because we recieve the life of faith
through the Church, she is our mother. We believe the Church as the
mother of our new birth, and not IN the Church as if she were the author
of our salvation. Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in
the faith.

More information on salvation and Catholics-
www.catholic.com...



[edit on 4/26/2005 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by defcon5
The divinity of Mary is another non-biblical Roman Catholic concoction.

The Catholic church does NOT believe in the diety of Mary.
The Catechism is VERY clear on this. Have you ever read it?
Try it sometime. It is very educational for anti-Catholics and
non-Catholics. A handy quick reference to what the Catholic
church believes about Mary and why - www.catholic.com...

Originally posted by DigitalGrl
The RCC does that are not biblical. hence why i am protestantl.

If you are happy being protestant. Great. However, you should know
that the bible itself (put together by a Catholic counsel ~350ad) says
that the bible isn't all there is to faith.

Christ taught so many other things that weren't recorded, that if all
of them were written down, all the books in the world wouldn't be
able to hold the teachings - paraphrased from scripture.

Scripture does not contain all of Christ's teachings.

Sola scriptura is a notion invented by Martin Luther while he reworked
the bible to fit his newly invented religion. Tossed out books. Lined
through others. Rearranged according to 'importance'. etc. etc. Scared
the crap out of the other 'reformers' while he was doing it. They had to
pull him back or else nothing would have been left.

Anyways - some scripture quotes that support sacred traditions and
oral teachings -

Mark 4:33 - "With many such parables he spoke the word to them .."
(what were the others? Scripture doesn't contain ...)
Mark 6:34 "He began to teach them many things."
(what things? Scripture doesn't contain)
John 16:12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you can not
bear them now."
(what things? Scripture doesn't contain)
Jon 20:30 - "now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the
disciples, which ar enot written in this book"
(what things? Scripture doesn't contain)
John 21:25 "But there are also many other things which Jesus did;
were every one of them to be written, I suppose the world itself could
not contain the books that would be written."
Acts 1:2-3 - To the apostles he presented himself alive after his
passion by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days,
and speaking of the kingdom of God"
(what things were taught? It's not written down)
See also Luke 24:15-16, 25-27

So we have Sacred tradition and oral teachings ... which the bible
encourages us to use.

1 Cor 11:2 - "Maintain the traditions ... even as I have delivered them to you."
2 Thess 2:15 "Hold to the traditions .. taught by word of mouth or by letter."
2 Thess 3:6 "... traditions that you received from us"
1 Cor 15:1 - " ... the Gospel, which you received ..."
1 Gal 1:9 - " ... the gospel .. which you received."
1 Thes 2:9 - "we preached to you the gospel of God"
1 Thes 2:13 - "when you received the word of God which you heard
from us, you acceptd it not as the word of men, but as what it really
is, the word of God"
2 Tim 1:13-14: "Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have
heard from me ..."

Originally posted by defcon5
Here are a few beliefs of the RCC

1. Salvation through works, not the grace of God.
   
2. Confession.
   
3. Purgatory.
   
4. Prayer to/through Mary and other saints.
   
5. Papal infallablity.
   
6. Persecution of Heretics.
   

Salvation through works, not the grace of God? Nope.
Not a Catholic belief.

Catholic Catechism - Section 169
Salvation comes from God alone; but because we recieve the life of faith
through the Church, she is our mother. We believe the Church as the
mother of our new birth, and not IN the Church as if she were the author
of our salvation. Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in
the faith.

More information on salvation and Catholics-
www.catholic.com...

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CONFESSION?
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us. If we confess our sins: he is faithful and just, to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity 1 John 1:8

Confess your sins to one another. Jas 5:16

Go, show yourselves to the priests. Luke 17:14

For what have I to do to judge them that are without? Do not you
judge them that are within? 1 Cor 5:12

Many of them that believed, came confessing and declaring their
deeds. Acts 19.18

With the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:10

Then went out to him, Jerusalem and all Judea, and all the
country about the Jordan: and were baptized by him in the Jordan,
confessing their sins. Mat 3:5
(they went to God's appointed and annointed .. JOHN)

They were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mark 1:5

Say to the children of Israel: When a man or woman shall have committed
any of all the sins that men are wont to commit, and by negligence shall
have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and offended, they shall
confess their sin, and restore the principle itself, and the fifth part over and
above to him against whom they have sinned Num 5:6

They stood and confessed their sins. 2 Es 9.2

Be not ashamed to confess they sins ... Ecclus 4:25, 31

They shall pine away in their iniquities, until they confess their iniquities ..
Lev 26:39

David said to Nathan: I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said
to David: The Lord also hath taken away they sin: thou shalt not die.
2 King 12:13
(again - the sinner goes to God's annointed to confess and be assured
of God's forgiveness)

There are more confession quotes and incidents of sinners going to God's
annointed to help them confess and be assured of God's forgiveness, but you get the idea.

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PURGATORY?

There shall not enter into it anything defiled. Apoc 21:27

Rejoice not, thou my enemy, over me, because I am fallen. I shall arise.
When I sit in darkness, the Lord is my light. I will bear the wrath of the
Lord, because I have sinned against him; until he judge my cause and
execute judgement for me: he will bring me forth into the light, I shall
behold his justice. Mich 7:8

He shall sit refining and clansing the silver. Mal 3:3

Thou by the blood of they testament hast sent forth they prisioners out
of the pit wherein is no water. Zach 9:11

In the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven,
on earth, and under the earth. Phil 2:10 (do souls in hell bow to Jesus?
Dunno'.. Could be hell or purgatory here)

Restrain not grace from the dead. Ecclus 7:37

That servant who knew the will of his Lord, and hath not prepared, and
did not according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he
that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with
few stripes. Luke 12:47

Make an agreement with they adversary quickly, whilst thou art in the
way with him; lest perhaps, the adversary deliver thee to the judge,
and the judge deliver thee to the officer and thou be cast into prison.
Amen I say to thee, thou shalt not go out from thence, till thou pay the
last farthing. Matt 5:25
(what prison do you have to pay to get out of? Purgatory)

I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall
render an account for it in the Day of Judgment. He that shall speak
against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world,
nor in the world to come. (what world to come will sins be forgiven?
Not heaven, not hell) Mat 12:32, 36

Christ died once for our sins, the Just for the unjust; that he might offer
us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the
SPirit. In which also coming he preached to those spirits who were in
prison. 1 Pet 3:18 (what prison? Heaven? Hell? Nope ... neither needs
preaching too ... purgatory!)

As silver is tried by fire, and gold in the furnace: so the Lord trieth the
heart. Prov 17:3

What shall they do that are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at
all? Why are they then baptized for them? 1 Cor 15:29

2 Mach 42 - 46
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PRAYER THROUGH/WITH THE SAINTS AND MARY?

We all pray for each other. You are telling me that protestants
don't pray for each other? Of course they do.

Catholic Council of Trent - Session 25 - Dec 3 & 4 1563 -
The saints, who reign together with Christ, offer up their own prayers
for men ... It is good and useful suppliantly to involke them, and to
have recourse to their prayers, aid, and help for obtaining benefits
from God, through His Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, Who is alone our
Redeemer and Savior ... They think impiously who deny that the saints,
who enjoy eternal happiness in Heaven, are to be invocated; or who
assert either that they do not pray for men; or that the involcation of
them to pray for each of us even in particular is idolatry; or that it is
repugnant to the Word of God; and is opposed to the honor of the one
mediator of God and men, Christ Jesus (1 Tim 2:5) or that it is foolish
to supplicate vocally or mentally those who reign in Heaven ...

The holy bodies of holy martyrs, and of others now living in Christ, which
bodies were the living members of Christ and the temple of the Holy Ghost
(1 Cor, 3:16, 6:19 2Cor 6:16) and which are by Him to be raised into
eernal life and to be glorified, ...

Saints in Heaven have more perfectly attained God's likeness 2 Cor 3:18.
They still think, feel, will, love and remember - all our attributes are theirs.
Matt 22:30, Rom. 8:29-30, 38-39, 1 Cor 13:9-12, 15:42-43;
Phil 3:20-21, 1 John 3:2

2 Maccabees 15:11-15 Onias appears to Maccabees and knows the
goings on of men on earth. Onias interceeds for Maccabees.

Matthew 17:1-3 Moses and Elijah know the goings on on earth.

Rev 1:4 - spirits around God's throne.

Rev 5:8 - the four living creatures with the prayers of the saints at
God's thrown. Interceeding.

Rev 8:3-4 again the prayers of the saints in the hands of an intercessor
before God.

Rev 6:9-10 The saints who have gone on before us aware of what is
going on on earth and praying to God .. intercessing ...

Much the same in Psalms 35, 39, 69, 79, 109, 139 and Jeremiah 11:18,
15:15, 18:19, 20:11. Check Hebrews 12:1

Saints are alive in heaven and aware of what is going on here on earth.

Prayers for the dead - Tobit 12:12, 2 Mac 12:39-45, 1 Cor 15:29,
2 Tim 1:16-18

Dead saints are aware of earthy affairs - Mat 22:30, Luke 15:10,
1 Cor 4-9, Hebrews 12:1

Dead saints intercede for those on earth - Jeremiah 15:1, 2 Macc 15:14, Rev 6:9-10

Saints are intermediaries - Rev 5:8

Dead saints appear on earth to interact with men -
1 Sam 28:12-15 , Sirach 46:20, 2 Mac 15:13-16, Matt 17:1-3 and
27:50-53, Rev 11:3

www.catholic.com...
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PAPAL INFALABILITY? Matthew 16:18 The gates of hell shall
not prevail against the church. If the church taught false doctrine
it would have prevailed and Christ would have lied.

Some people get the false idea that papal infalibility means that
Catholics think the pope can't sin. That's not true. The pope goes
to confession just like everyone else. He sins. He knows it. We
know it.
www.catholic.com...

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PRESECUTION OF HERITICS? Yep. Got anything more recent?
The inquisition was hundreds of years ago. Hey ... How about
fundamentalist persecution of Catholics because the fundamentalists
don't understand what the Catholics REALLY believe? That's a goodie!


[edit on 4/26/2005 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
PAPAL INFALABILITY? Matthew 16:18 The gates of hell shall
not prevail against the church. If the church taught false doctrine
it would have prevailed and Christ would have lied.

you can remove the IF part

Originally posted by dbrandt
And there is no way to make this sound nice but don't pursue the Roman Catholic denomination, that will not help you and it might have started this. Let me know how it goes.

[edit on 25-4-2005 by dbrandt]

OK, here's the scoop, I believe we are coming very very close to the return of Jesus Christ to this earth.

1, 000 years untill the beast is locked into its cage. Then the earth will be peace untill another 1, 000 years when the beast is unlocked.

Hi supremetechgoddess,

While I was reading your post a few things sounded familiar. I have a tiny bit of experience in similar situations and will try and give you a few tips, hopefully they will help more than having Bible passages quoted at you.

Let's just say that from childhood, I've been a bit peculiar. I used to talk to "things"

Nothing strange with that. As kids grow up the world layers egos on them and most lose this ability altogether.

I suppose I should mention that my family is Roman Catholic

Mine too. Means nothing. It can and does happen to any person of any religion.

Anyway, after I was confirmed in 8th grade, I started seeing "creepers" again. I knew they were the same things I had seen as a child.

Yeah, I could tell you stories about those little bastards. Here is the lowdown on them. They are scum, very low level beings, similar to leeches and insects. Very easy to get rid of. A very firm "F**k off" and tell them how little they mean and what low-life scum-sucking pieces of s**t they are. Inject a bit of anger into it. They are feeding off children? Scum. You are a lot higher up the food chain than them. Let them know about it.

For awhile I was intrigued, and in an attempt to be "oh so goth", I broke a cardinal rule and told others about what I had seen, offering proof by going through a deck of Rider playing cards and naming 42 out of 52 cards correctly.

Tarot for me. Correctly predicted three deaths in the family and chose not to pick up another deck again.

As punishment, things went quiet again, for a long time.

Don't be silly. Punished by who? You have always been in control of your own abilities.

But now something is bearing down on me. It has been almost seven years since my last experience, and I cannot shake the feeling of being constantly followed and watched ...................I have a problem turning off lights and oftentimes the sensation

*****of weight bearing down on my back.**********

Been there. This is important. It sounds like you have what I would call a "rider". These are slightly above the "creepers" you mentioned, but still a lowly breed. You need to talk to someone about this.

Any ideas what I should do or what this could be? I have been told by several people (psychics, shrinks and "normal" ones) that the impressions they get don't make sense

Psychic my ass. Any sensitive person worth their salt would have spotted the rider. HINT: Real psychics don't advertise OR ask for money up front. Ask around, someone may know by word of mouth someone who can help you. A Shinto priest or an RC priest you trust may also help you out. What you need to do is find out the name of the rider. Once you have that you can insult it and belittle it to the point that it just moves on.

It is important to note these buggers feed of fear, anger, misery and most other negative emotions. But fear is their favourite. So you have an imortant decision to make. Do you want rid of this thing? Be happy. Step out of the darkness and deny it what it wants. Read Desiderata.

I know that somehow I made a mistake (bigger than the playing cards) and that I am supposed to do something, but I don't know what to do because I genuinely can't tell if whatever it is has my best interests in mind.

Don't be silly. You made no mistake. You did nothing wrong. Revel in your music, be happy. It has a stake in keeping you sad and miserable. Music is the key. Don't be afraid to talk about it.

Be happy!! Good Luck!!

Originally posted by Croat56
Since your catholic go to confession and tell a priest about this. Im sure he could help you out with this.

NO! Unless you have the priest come and stop this, which is impossible if it isn't in an isolated area, there is no point in going to a priest. Go to the one whom death couldn't shut up. Go to Jesus. If you really want these things to stop, just say it out loud in confidence. All you have to do is actually believe in Jesus' word, and then let these "creepers" know that Jesus commands them to leave you alone. Trust me, Jesus will take care of it. Just say it a few times, in your own words. Let them know that you are proud that Jesus is there for you, he is your lord, and your protector.

The Lord is my light and my salvation; who shall i fear?

The answer is NO ONE, not even Satan holds a flame to God.

The great Ryan has spoken

Kind Regards,
Digital Grl

i'm so glad that souls who have already ascended before us don't have human ego's. putting the entity you call jesus on a pedestal all the time like that. i can't stop laughing i tried not to reply but after so many christian replies i just couldn't resist. calling "jesus" really helps go bother one of the other entities for a change so that he can get some rest for a change. geez. you can call out Gabriel or any other angels described in the bibles you so fondly read with excactely the same end result.

i don't mean to sound rude, but, to all the people exclaiming "jesus this" and "jesus that"...

the title of the thread is "confessions of a tormented CATHOLIC"!!!

in other words, supremetechgoddess is a CATHOLIC!!!...don't you think she's tried that whole "praying to jesus" thing already??

i mean come on, cut her some slack already...

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
there is no point in going to a priest.

King David would disagree with you. He went to
God's annointed when he had a problem. It's all through
the bible ... people going to those God has annointed.
People flocked to St. Peter, priest and first pope.

Some priests are excorsist priests and understand the
spiritworld very well. Parish priests usually not so much,
but the priests in the monasteries are usually the ones
that do.

Being a CATHOLIC, the author of this thread is very
much aware that there are lots of reasons to go to
her priest. The Eucharist strengthens. Confession
unburdens and strengthens the soul. Going to God's
annointed is following in the footsteps of those in the
bible (like King David) who did so. Spending time in
God's house in contemplation of holy things is also a
good spiritually uplifting thing to do, especially when
there could be dark forces around.

Ryan you aren't Catholic (apparently) so you wouldn't
understand the 'point' in going to a priest ... but perhaps
these examples will help you understand a bit better
and it will educate you on the fact that there definately
IS A POINT in the author going to her priest (or a
monastery priest).

your right King David did. However, had Jesus come to earth yet?

Doesn't matter. In the NT the people went to God's annointed.
They flocked to Peter. They flocked to Paul. They found spiritual
solace from them. They were prayed over by them.

The author of this thread is Catholic by choice. To tell anyone not
to go to their spiritual shepherd isn't right. A Jewish person would
find spritual guidance and solace and truth from a Rabbi. A Catholic
from a priest and her church. The Catholic church has the Eucharist,
Confession, and the sacraments to give her children strength and
fortitude and to bring them God. To deny a person in pain her faith
and her God ... that's plain wrong.

Just a quick note to the Jesus-freaks posting on this thread. I feel endlessly quoting passages from an archaic volume such as the Bible (With all due respect to the Holy Book) is in no way helpful to this lady.

I have read every passage you have so Faithfully cut and pasted and have only one thing to say.

Tosh. What a load of tosh.

NO help to the girl and as far as I can see only an ego-massaging contest of who knows the most Bible passages. (or who can copy and paste the most passages from the electronic version more likely......)

Let those of us whose bible is more up to date, i.e. the bible of the world around us try and help out this lady which centuries and layers of dogma has thus far prevented any one else helping her out.

Just because we arent catholic by the way doesnt mean that we dont ask our pastors for help sometimes.

but oh my gosh can we please get off of this. Stop trying to convert people to catholisism. We already know you think protestants are wrong..blah blah blah. But seriously having never met you...you arent going to convert me to a different denomination over a messageboard. so lets move the phunk on.

As to the problem with our tormented catholic.......i do think it could be a combination of medical and spiritual. Go ahead and talk to your priest or theologian of some sort if you need someone studied on this subject to help you out. Otherwise..you might want to explore the possibility that you do have some sort of mental disorder and its all within the realms of your imagination. Therefore pursue a credible doctor who can evaluate your situation.

Kind Regards,
DigitalGrl

Originally posted by FlyersFan

King David would disagree with you. He went to
God's annointed when he had a problem.

Christians certainly need other christians and christian leaders for counsel and advice and for listening. God is the only one who can deliver from evil. God can do this on His own and sometimes He chooses to work through other people to accomplish this, but if He chooses to do it through other people it is still His power doing it.

When a person seeks out Godly counsel and help, the problem is they need to know that the person they are going to really works for God(the christian God). God clearly tells us that not everyone who claims to know Him and serve Him really does. So great care must be taken when getting help or the problem may not be helped and could get worse. Since there are only 2 opposing spiritual sides a person can serve, if you are not living for God you are, knowingly or unknowingly, serving satan.

That's where the rubber hits the road. Jesus Christ is the Savior for mankind from their sins.. He is Lord of those who have come to Him for the forgiveness of their sins and then will lead you through life's ups and downs, and promises to take those downs and work them toward good for you.

The test for people to know if someone serves the true and living God is Jesus Christ. If they can claim(verbally) Jesus and Him alone as the atoning sacrifice who died for the sins of mankind, and rose again from the dead, (and part of this is realizing there is a need for a Savior and sin to be atoned for), they belong to Him. If they add anything to Jesus Christ for salvation they are not of God.

If they add doing good and being good, they are not of Christ.(yes, people do good works. But it is because we are saved not to be saved). If they add coming to Christ through Mary, they are not of God, If they add the eucharist as an additional part of salvation, they are not of God. Another example, Robert Schuller will name Jesus Christ, but denies that man has a sin problem and to an extent says being good gets you to God, He does not serve the True And Living God. There are many individual men and women and denominations as a whole who are not of God when put to the test. Benny Hinn is another example. Being slain in the spirit is not Biblical, and "giving money to get something from God" is not Biblical either.

If someone adds a "but" or an "and" after Jesus they are not of God.