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posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: tanstaafl

A third of people in the UK have not had a single jab. The all-cause death rates can be compared with the two subsets. It looks bad, especially in the older age groups, these figures are from the ONS . It looks like more than a million people have died from the vaccine alone. Here are the charts, it is beginning to look like the Deagal figures were right.www.bitchute.com...



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.

edit on 6-12-2023 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Euronymous2625

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
If you took the Vax you are Now a Member of the Living Dead . You got 5 Years Left MAX...........


Lol. Sure. It's been almost 3 years since my first shot, and I have zero health problems. Is 5 years the new goal post? It was 3 months, then 6 months, then a year, then 18 months, 2 years... yet we keep on living.





You got 2 Years left then so take it Easy .



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut



But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is


No. He tried going through proper channels first with a Prime Minister that got elected on a mandate of having an investigation into the death jabs. After his leadership and executive team just stuck their head in the sand like you, going public is how it works. A lot of care went into protecting the individual privacy first, as for the results of this data, it speaks for itself, paid for by public funds.

If you are are work and see people dying, do you say something or shut up because it is not in your economic or political interest?



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.
edit on 6-12-2023 by Rosby123 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.


This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.

Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora

Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.

As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).

Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.

There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.

Science already has access to the data. Barry Young (also known of as as Winston Smith as if that's not a flag of how dodgy he is) did not pass the data to any 'scientific' person or group for analysis.

edit on 6-12-2023 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So you are saying because of a data breach a red flag involving a public health emergency can never be made available to the public. That is like saying nazi extermination camps are a matter of national security, so any discussion of them is forbidden. I think we are at a philosophical impasse.



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.


This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.

Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora

Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.

As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).

Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.

There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.

Science already has access to the data.


If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.

The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

So you are saying because of a data breach a red flag involving a public health emergency can never be made available to the public. That is like saying nazi extermination camps are a matter of national security, so any discussion of them is forbidden. I think we are at a philosophical impasse.


There is no red flag. He cherrypicked the data and it was not the full database.

For a comparison of things, New Zealand has a population of about 5,246,294 people.

Suggesting that there has been 10,000 deaths from out of that population due to the vaccine, is ridiculous.

There have been a total of 7,231 deaths, from any cause, in New Zealand in 2023.
In 2022, there were 7,182 - a difference of 49 deaths between years.
In 2021, there were 7,132 a difference of 50 deaths between years.

Whenever someone purports to be talking about statistics, but uses round figures (such as 10,000) you can be pretty sure they aren't being accurate, and its probable that they made the number up on the spot.

edit on 6-12-2023 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.


This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.

Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora

Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.

As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).

Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.

There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.

Science already has access to the data.


If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.

The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.


In New Zealand, they have not covered up data regarding deaths caused by the vaccine. There have been four deaths due to the vaccine and vaccine safety is closely monitored.

Overview of Vaccine Reports



posted on Dec, 6 2023 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut



But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is


No. He tried going through proper channels first with a Prime Minister that got elected on a mandate of having an investigation into the death jabs.


He claims that, but he really first took the data to Liz Gunn, an anti-vaxxer and anti-government conspiracist. He had been collaborating with Liz Gun since prior to the election, and doing so, months before he sent the e-mails to ministers. He may also have posted the data to the overseas site months before it was discovered, but I have no information on that.

He also wrote an e-mail to the Deputy PM, not the PM. He wrote another e-mail to a group of many members of Parliament and they, in turn, contacted the health ministry, Te Whatu Ora, who contacted the police about the data breach when they were aware it had happened.


After his leadership and executive team just stuck their head in the sand like you, going public is how it works. A lot of care went into protecting the individual privacy first, as for the results of this data, it speaks for itself, paid for by public funds.

If you are are work and see people dying, do you say something or shut up because it is not in your economic or political interest?


I am not seeing any appreciable numbers of people dying of the vaccine. Not personally, nor in the statistics.

edit on 6-12-2023 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 02:53 AM
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I admire your effort, your cherries, your strenth of holding up a narrative dying, may you be blessed with the greatest of awareness.


originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut



But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain. Doesn't matter what is


No. He tried going through proper channels first with a Prime Minister that got elected on a mandate of having an investigation into the death jabs.


He claims that, but he really first took the data to Liz Gunn, an anti-vaxxer and anti-government conspiracist. He had been collaborating with Liz Gun since prior to the election, and doing so, months before he sent the e-mails to ministers. He may also have posted the data to the overseas site months before it was discovered, but I have no information on that.

He also wrote an e-mail to the Deputy PM, not the PM. He wrote another e-mail to a group of many members of Parliament and they, in turn, contacted the health ministry, Te Whatu Ora, who contacted the police about the data breach when they were aware it had happened.


After his leadership and executive team just stuck their head in the sand like you, going public is how it works. A lot of care went into protecting the individual privacy first, as for the results of this data, it speaks for itself, paid for by public funds.

If you are are work and see people dying, do you say something or shut up because it is not in your economic or political interest?


I am not seeing any appreciable numbers of people dying of the vaccine. Not personally, nor in the statistics.



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

To be realistic no government can admit to the sort of numbers that are coming out. A thing on this scale has never happened before. If they did nobody knows what would happen. We can only hope and pray that it does not get worse, although I have a foreboding feeling that the storm has just started. I don't blame anyone for trying to deny what has and is happening, the Governments probably are like everyone else and haven't got a clue what to do no human in their right mind would purposely do this to their civilization.



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut



There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn


c19early.org

Who is really selling the doom porn on treatment that have actually been proven safe over many decades of use and are also being proven as effective. You want to sign up for some new genetic treatment, that's on you.



There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.


9/11 was a wake up call for me for where extreme, state sponsored misinformation goes.



Science already has access to the data.


No it does not, the state did. With how Jacinda Ardern pushed on despite what reports she was getting at the time of the rollout does raise a lot of questions of just what did she know. Sounds like there is a lot of data there that does take time to review, check and find a clear picture of what the numbers say. Looks like the 1984 (Winston Smith main character) Ministry of Truth is trying to shut the data down. Do you prefer Daniel Ellsberg getting the Julian Assange treatment?

There is at least one court case coming up where it is going to be a part of the evidence of the case. Exactly what efforts Barry went to get some response will also be a part of the case. With how Barry made bail, looks like he has a good case to be found innocent and set the data free. While some at the top don't want to rock the boat, there is a lot in the system that do with more waking up. Time will tell.



There have been a total of 7,231 deaths, from any cause, in New Zealand in 2023.
In 2022, there were 7,182 - a difference of 49 deaths between years.
In 2021, there were 7,132 a difference of 50 deaths between years.


So deaths have been slowly increasing since the jab came out, what numbers are you getting before covid started?



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

One thing that really sucks with how the state has looked at the data around covid and the jab is in how it has put all of its available information together. It has compartmentalized it, put up all kinds of corporate road blocks and left it it the hands of those with a conflict of interest (Big pHarma) to decide what to do about it.

It is good to see to early batches lethality decline, so Pfizer and the others knew there was a problem and watered it down a bit. As for a still higher than average fatality rate and an increase in all kinds of complications, alarms are going off. The US DOD has woken up to it.

To fix this problem, we need what the vaccination industry has failed to provide. A comparison between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. The state has all the data scattered around, perhaps a big public court case like this will take down those corporate road blocks to get a clear picture of just how effective or determinantal this vax option is.

This is an immediate life threatening situation, each day of delay and more will die and be injured without the right course of action.
edit on 7-12-2023 by kwaka because: grammer



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 08:35 AM
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Nothing new for this thread, infowars has a brief take on some of it.

NZ Government Doubles Down on Vaccine Democide



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: kwaka

Just a bit of clarification from Liz Gunn and Maria Zee. rumble.com... makes you think if they want to depopulate the more independent areas of the South Island.



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.


This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.

Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora

Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.

As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).

Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.

There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.

Science already has access to the data.


If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.

The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.


In New Zealand, they have not covered up data regarding deaths caused by the vaccine. There have been four deaths due to the vaccine and vaccine safety is closely monitored.

Overview of Vaccine Reports


We don't know this and we can't trust government sources for a failed campaign.



posted on Dec, 7 2023 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Mahogani
I have been a database creator, administrator, and a senior business analyst and am very familiar with datamining techniques

If that is true then you know damn well that it is trivial to assign different access by roles, and that some data can be hidden from certain people with different access roles.


Yes. That is correct.

But he took an export of secure data that he had access to, and placed it into the public domain.

Doesn't matter what is, or isn't, secured on the original db.


This kind of data must be available to the public and to the rest of the scientific community so it can be examined and scrutinized. Secrecy is incompatible with science.


This summary data is normally published publicly once the dataset for the particular time-period (usually weekly), is complete and personally identifying data is removed so that it conforms to privacy legislation.

Data and Statistics - Te Whatu Ora

Although patient data, and to some extent provider data, was anonymized in this data breach, it can be deduced from that data what geographic locations had the higher number of mortalities, and this could easily be traced back to individual clinicians and doctors who were simply doing their job.

As the cause or reason of death was not linked in the data, it is totally invalid to assume that a vaccine, or a particular batch of what was a highly-standardized product, was the cause of death (because we have sufficient statistical proof that such was not the case, elsewhere).

Similarly, situations such as hospice or end-of-life care will always have higher mortality numbers than in the general community, and that distinction was not made clear in the stolen data.

There are already many who believe baselessly that the vaccines are deadly, and these people are likely to take potentially life-threatening action on the basis of nothing more than doom porn. There is sufficient precedent from around the world for us to be wary of such extremism based upon misinformation and to treat the situation with seriousness.

Science already has access to the data.


If you take a look at the data and cases you will see how Covid vaccines could be deadly or cause great damage. For a starter you can use my other thread where cover ups have been recorded of vaccine induced deaths.

The Covid vaccines have failed and were unnecessary in the first place. Most people had no measurable risk from this virus.


In New Zealand, they have not covered up data regarding deaths caused by the vaccine. There have been four deaths due to the vaccine and vaccine safety is closely monitored.

Overview of Vaccine Reports


We don't know this and we can't trust government sources for a failed campaign.


You have hard data with better credibility upon which you base this?

All anyone else seems to offer as proof is a vague distrust of government?

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