UFO's-A hazard to Air Space?

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On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.“I almost hit one of those damn things!” the flight leader, still shaken by the incident, told us shortly after in the pilots’ ready room. We all knew exactly what he meant. “Those damn things” had been plaguing us for the previous eight months.

in 2014, after upgrades were made to our radar system, our squadron made a startling discovery: There were unknown objects in our airspace.Initially, the objects were showing up on our newly upgraded radars and we assumed they were “ghosts in the machine,” or software glitches. But then we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple surveillance systems, including infrared sensors that detected heat signatures. Then came the hair-raising near misses that required us to take evasive action.

More about the capabilities of these UAP/UFO's in the article including:

They could hold their position, appearing motionless, despite Category 4 hurricane-force winds of 120 knots. They did not have any visible means of lift, control surfaces or propulsion — in other words nothing that resembled normal aircraft with wings, flaps or engines. And they outlasted our fighter jets, operating continuously throughout the day. I am a formally trained engineer, but the technology they demonstrated defied my understanding.

Anyway, of course, there's no way to know if the guy is telling the truth or not; he may have simply decided to pursue a career on the UFO Conference Lecture circuit.
If true, then there's obviously a problem.

a reply to: TonyS

Where's Zaph?
Calling Zaphod!

Now the gov wants us to believe UFO's are real and have been in our airspace since at least 1947, yet posed no threat to aircraft until recently? Now it's a big deal, worthy of MSM news coverage?

ppfftt.

a reply to: TonyS
After reading the article, it seems that he is planning to be on the lecture circuit.
I still believe him.

little green men from mars? To believe in flying saucers is nuts. Just look at all the pilots that lost their carreers over speaking of such nonsense.

sorry dipsh!ts, you had your chance to tell the truth, now, this is your truth. Stop lying about crazy things. Next it will be leprechauns.

a reply to: TonyS

Anyway, of course, there's no way to know if the guy is telling the truth or not; he may have simply decided to pursue a career on the UFO Conference Lecture circuit. If true, then there's obviously a problem.

Decided to pursue a Career on the UFO lecture circuit ? Who on Earth would make that decision ? That's ridiculous , I'd more readily believe the man was actually having these incidents with UFO's than pursuing a career.

Sounds like they came across a portal temporally opened. Mate Aliens/UFO's are real there are other Intelligence's besides our own .

a reply to: butcherguy

Yea, I kind of do believe him; I'd believe him more if ever more of his fellow aviators stood up and made the same assertions. But yea, since the abatement of COVID I would guess the conference circuit is going to heat up again with Aliencon and Contact in the Desert, etc.

Good gigs, especially if he can write a book.

To me, the only problem is people not willing to accept that they must be able to understand, control or be capable of shooting down everything.

Note: Trying to understand and learn is of course a joyfull path off live.

The most important thing is having leaders who represent the people.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

"Who on Earth would make that decision ? "

Uh, well........there's Richard Dolan, Linda Moulton Howe, George Noory, Nick Redfern, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Erick Von Daniken, Travis Taylor, Thomas Winterton, David Childress, Nick Pope, William Henry, Hugh Newman, Johnathan Young, George Knapp, Robert Clotworthy, Bryant Arnold, Jena Pierson, Alexis Brooks, Jeremy Corbell, Tony Harris, Paul Hynek, Alejandro Rojas, Miguel Sancho, Garry Nolan, Jason Martell, Bill Birnes, Amy Teitel, Jay Stratton, Johnathan Dover, Michael Dennin, Mindy Tautfest, Ken Gerhard, Tok Thompson, Michael Primeau, Mark D'Antonio, Ron James;

To name a few: www.thealiencon.com...

It's like Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Conferences and Seminars.........IT"S an INDUSTRY!

a reply to: network dude

Well, like YeA, we all know that if it isn't covered in depth for a week on CNN, it doesn't exist!

a reply to: TonyS

The red flag for me is the description of the fighters being just 100ft apart. I thought the minimum safety envelope was 500ft.

Heat signature also is a bit odd. I always thought these unknown objects ran cold.

originally posted by: network dude
little green men from mars? To believe in flying saucers is nuts. Just look at all the pilots that lost their carreers (sic) over speaking of such nonsense.

Your ignorance is showing loud and clear. WHO SAID flying saucers contain little green men from Mars? Nobody but people like you. Pilots have lost careers precisely because of people like you who wouldn't take them seriously. Your attitude is PRECISELY what government bureaucrats suggested to belittle reports and cause them to be discounted. Not that you are on the government debunking payroll, but you might as well be. But thank you for portraying yourself so clearly. We now know not to pay attention to anything you say. Your thoughts on the matter are useless.

a reply to: schuyler

Spot on.

a reply to: schuyler

Absolutely, Schuyler. It's pointless of us to waste precious minutes acknowledging such buffoonery, but it's always fun to point out such a clearly fabricated comment. No one believes that, it's as if someone deliberately tried to imitate a stereotypical denier from 1954. He's not being real, in my opinion, just trying to get a response.

We're way past this, the conversation has moved beyond everything said in that post, it's a relic from a century ago. You could take this person's comment and post it in a newspaper letter to the editor complaining about a report describing flying saucer sightings from 100 years ago. Especially with the joke line about little green men.

Same Sh*t, Different Century.
But unlike flying saucers, that crap doesn't fly anymore.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I agree, what nonsense, "a career on the UFO lecture circuit" lol. Yeah, that's where the big bucks are, they might even put you up in the Des Moines Motel 6. No breakfast included, but there's a Waffle House directly across the divided highway out front, if you're brave and reckless enough to try to cross the road.

UFOs are one of the most searched topics on the internet, with billions of searches. Yet there are a few dozen people of note who speak on the topic on a regular basis. And the most important of them are already dead; Budd Hopkins, Stanton Freidman, Karla Turner, John Mack, and others. And no one of their stature has come along to replace them. Seems like this lucrative "circuit" has lost its luminaries already.

Most of the people who speak at UFO seminars or conventions are authors on the subject, of course, and authors on every subject there is speak about their work at events. Everybody except maybe J.D. Salinger, who is dead anyway.

Every subject. But what UFO deniers have always tried to do, and are still tying to do in comments right here on this post, is this:
A. It is perfectly fine when an author speaks on his subject, whether it is sports, medieval history, cats, religion, espionage, you name it - perfectly fine.
B. But if an author's subject is UFOs and he speaks about it: THEN HE IS JUST TRYING TO CASH IN AND THEREFORE HIS WORK HAS NO MERIT.

See? See how that works? lol. Ask a UFO debunker why the guy writing about any other subject doesn't get negated for the same reason, and they don't have an answer, but they'll stammer out something. The deniers motto is If you're still talking, you haven't lost the argument lol.

You've probably seen them do this many times, it is a cheap magician's card trick, sleight of hand. In fact most of the attack lines of deniers are nothing more than cliched card tricks that don't hold up when you take a good look at them. But deniers are doing their best with what they've got, and they don't have a lot of substantial arrows in their quiver. Because they're trying to deny reality, and hospitals and care facilities help a lot of people who try to deny reality.

a reply to: schuyler

Pilots have lost careers precisely because of people like you who wouldn't take them seriously.

Which pilots lost their careers?

a reply to: TonyS

Graves is yet another American UFO grifter. After those tax dollars that the US DoD is only too willing to waste on pie in the sky studies that have gone nowhere for 80 years now.

Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Integration & Outreach Committee

To improve aerospace safety by enhancing scientific knowledge of, and mitigating barriers to the study of, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP)....

Ryan Graves - Chair

www.aiaauap.org...

Suuuuuure why not…..

Of course anyone can become a UFOlogist……

Ryan Graves has a story he can tell over and over ad nauseam

He’ll be added to the UFOlo-Palooser’s UFOtainment Crew….

👽

originally posted by: Encia22
a reply to: TonyS

The red flag for me is the description of the fighters being just 100ft apart. I thought the minimum safety envelope was 500ft.

Heat signature also is a bit odd. I always thought these unknown objects ran cold.

Ever since WWI, fighters traditionally fly in pairs when on operational missions. Therefore, they fly in pairs when training for missions. A pair is the minimum size of a flight. Part of the deal is that when dealing with air traffic control, the radio communication is between the traffic controller and the flight leader. It is assumed that all other aircraft that are part of the flight will follow the same ATC clearances, which are often communicated by hand gestures, nods, etc. to minimize radio traffic. 100 foot separations for members of a flight are not uncommon.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: network dude
little green men from mars? To believe in flying saucers is nuts. Just look at all the pilots that lost their carreers (sic) over speaking of such nonsense.

Your ignorance is showing loud and clear. WHO SAID flying saucers contain little green men from Mars? Nobody but people like you. Pilots have lost careers precisely because of people like you who wouldn't take them seriously. Your attitude is PRECISELY what government bureaucrats suggested to belittle reports and cause them to be discounted. Not that you are on the government debunking payroll, but you might as well be. But thank you for portraying yourself so clearly. We now know not to pay attention to anything you say. Your thoughts on the matter are useless.

so all of the sudden UFO's are real, and the MSM should be trusted? A guy I used to respect used that same rhetoric not long ago.

My post was more of a joke, as in the past, if you mentioned the possibility of UFO's you were ridiculed, but that must have been long before your time, since you are all wet behind the ears and all.