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a reply to: TheRedneck

circumcise their children at will or not

I am circumcised. I have no memory of the procedure; it was done as soon as I was born.

I don't care about your genitals, I just think it's sick of parents to have the liberty to mutilate their kids at will, without no proven medical necessity. but maybe my understanding of physical, mental and emotional integrity of kids is a little broader than most of the dimwits around here.

better to remain silent and have others think one is a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt

you took the words out of my mouth.
All arguments for circumcision you brought forth are urban legends fostered by religious hypocrites, to justify their sick culture.

carry on

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Yes you'd wonder how we survived for all this time before a foreskin sucking rabi came along.

It's mutilation, and it has the same sick background as vaginal mutilation. Keep justifying it, makes you look very hypocrite.

And keep them divine arguments coming im Sure the church of Satan is gladly taking inspiration

Well, I am going to have to join the crowd on this one, and ask you to not judge me on how I may look. You have to accept what I say. And I say I am not a hypocrite, I am just adding some historical facts.

If you choose to ignore what I say I am, and choose to still call me what “you” “think” I am, then maybe the hypocrite label is pointing in the wrong direction.

It's just amazing about how every topic on the idea that the only possible way to treat transgenderism is to chop off body parts and impede natural hormonal function as if our children were simply dogs or cats displaying unwanted behaviors and in need of being either spayed or neutered to stop that behavior is derailed by someone upset that they lost some foreskin.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

well played

The whole idea that a “modern” woman can has a penis is absolutely insane. You can’t actually change your gender no matter how many hormones or surgery you have to remove or add “parts”. Society is literally playing to these people mental illness, your born a man or woman that’s it life isn’t fair and unless you accept the life you were given your just insane in my eyes. Forces people and making laws to accept men as girls and letting them into woman sports(where they dominate) or allowing them into woman jails(where they can rape and dominate and be king pin because of there gender strengths) it’s no more than feeding into mental illness. I don’t care if you wanna pretend your a girl or boy but forcing others around you to believe gender is fluid and that science and biologically is wrong because a mentally I’ll person feelings will get hurt if we don’t is the downfall to society. Wanna dress like a girl and take hormones to make you look like the other sex ok cool whatever, but changing laws to where I can be arrested for misgendering or deadnaming you is not a society I wanna live in. Real life hurts believe me I know but not facing it and accepting your situation is culturally suicide.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
A friend's 4 year old son decided he wanted to be a dog. He crawled around on all fours for a while. My friend didn't put a collar on him. He didn't feed him dog food, nor did he allow him to eat from a bowl on the floor or defecate on the ground.

Hah... my oldest daughter, when she was about 3, decided she was a cat. Everywhere we went she would be down on all fours, hopping like a frog. I tried to explain the difference between how she was hopping and how a cat actually walks, but she didn't care, it was more comfortable to hop than to walk on all fours, so that's what she did. She would meow, and come up to us, and put her hands up on our leg, and when we reached down to pet her, she would try to lick our hands (and sometimes she would succeed). She would literally be hopping down the aisles of Costco or wherever we were, the whole time we were there. It was actually hilarious. She did this for about 3 years, then all of a sudden she stopped.

a reply to: EternalShadow

I understanding questioning on what kids should be exposed to regarding transgenderism. However, my point was that we should respect other people's decisions. And the idea that being trans is immoral is a mostly religious one. Which is why I mentioned religion.

I would say that acceptance does far more good for the mental health of trans people than calling them abnormal and telling they are delusional mental cases.

Putting the discussion of kids aside; what if transgenderism is like homosexuality - in the sense that it's not a mental choice but a mental abnormality that is not a choice?

Much like how we mostly agree that homosexuality is not a choice - that may be the case for those who are transgender. So while, yes, it is not "normal" - if it's something they cannot change then shouldn't we accept that and treat them with respect.

Sure, it can go a bit too far and I'm not saying we should be forced to say every oddball pronoun. But, we should at least respect their decision to indentify as another gender, IMO. Especially if it's something they cannot change, like homosexuality.

a reply to: Turquosie

Do we know that for sure with homosexuality?

I've not seen that research verified tidbit yet. I'm just pointing out that you are making an assumption. And there are things that aren't hardwired that aren't always a conscious choice per se in our psyches.

It all comes down to nature/nurture really. How much is one; how much the other? Keep in mind that just because someone was the product of their life experiences doesn't also mean that they are making a conscious decision always in their behaviors, but nature - genetics is what implies 100% lack of choice.

I am minded that major twin studies of the subject give little evidence of a genetic component.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sure, there's no scientific evidence to prove that there is some irreverible gene that makes one homosexual (to my knowledge); but through countless subjective reports - the general consensus is that homosexual is not a mental decision one can choose and unchoose. This has been shown time and time again. And the only people that believe this notion that homosexuality is a choice - are religious folks. And how many times have we seen anti-homosexual religious folk end up being closetted repressed homosexuals?

And do you think all those people who faced countless opression in the past chose homosexuality because it's "cool". They chose to be jailed, beaten up, and lost jobs - all for a choice? I don't think so.

That also applies to transgender people who have faced countless opression througout the years.

Many LGBTQ have grown up in straight homes with little to no outside influence - which shows that its not solely due to Nurture.

I think there is more than enough evidence to show there is alot of Nature at play. And if it is mostly nature - even a "defect" - then my point is that we should be respecting those who were played an "abnormal" card. Afterall, I think LGBTQ makes life more interesting. Afterall, we have enough people in this world. It's not like their lack of reproduction abilities affects anything at all.

The only people who think LGBTQ is a choice are religious folk who have an agenda to think that way. I will stick with the cause being largely Nature until proven otherwise. As, my conclusions rest upon hundreds of thousands of stories and reports, and the otherside rests on the conclusion of the religious.

a reply to: Terpene

I don't care about your genitals

You certainly seem fixated enough on them to justify trying to drag this thread off topic.

All arguments for circumcision you brought forth are urban legends fostered by religious hypocrites, to justify their sick culture.

Articles from medical journals and easily-proven explanations of religious practices are now "urban legends"? I assume opinions of leading Democrats are hard truth now, right?

Yeah, got it. Don't want it, but I got it.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Turquosie

my point was that we should respect other people's decisions.

I have no issue with that. But when one conflates the issue of an adult being transgender with adults convincing pre-pubescent children they might be transgender, it becomes almost impossible to "respect other people's decisions." If one is grooming children to think they may be transgender before they fully understand what gender is, that is not a personal decision they are making. It is immoral, it is harmful to others, and it is child abuse. It boggles my mind to think that most transgender adults are just fine with trying to harm children, but the correlation being pressed today makes that concept all but inescapable.

And the idea that being trans is immoral is a mostly religious one. Which is why I mentioned religion.

No, it is not. When you try to use that argument, you identify yourself as someone who doesn't even understand the issue. I am religious, but I do not need religious references to state that harming others, especially young, impressionable children, is morally wrong.

Much like how we mostly agree that homosexuality is not a choice - that may be the case for those who are transgender.

You know, I accepted that "agreement" for quite some time... but given the constant barrage of stories about adults in authority positions trying to convince children they are homosexual, I can no longer accept such an agreement. If it is not a choice, why are so many trying to get children to make a choice?

The same goes for transexuality.

You speak of respect, but there is no respect whatsoever in today's society for anyone who is not homosexual or transgender. Respect is not some free gift that people are entitled to. Respect is earned. Those who are harming children are neither earning respect, nor do they deserve respect. They earn and deserve scorn.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I am religious, but I do not need religious references to state that harming others, especially young, impressionable children, is morally wrong.

Unless the religious reference states that it's morally ok to harm them?
Man you folks make the nicest moral contortions, it's so cool...

a reply to: Terpene

Show me proof of the harm.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I could show you the blinders that make you feel comfortable with such barbaric traditions...
But you are right, its best done before they are aware, like that they will never be able to access the trauma.

The siko parents that want to change their kids sex should take lots and lots of inspiration on how to mess up kids and claim probable deniablity while feeling all righteous about it.

a reply to: Terpene

So you can't show me any harm. OK, then. Your uninformed opinion is duly noted and duly rejected.

I can show study after study where puberty blockers and pre-adult transgender therapy leads to suicides and medical issues.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck
There is plenty online about harm from circumcision.....if you care to look.

At 8 months of age, Reimer became the unwitting subject of “sex reassignment,” a treatment method embraced by his parents after his penis was all but obliterated during a botched circumcision.

It's not just physical harm.....it causes changes in the brain as well.

So you can't show me any harm.

Take a mirror and a good look....

a reply to: TheRedneck

a reply to: ketsuko

sorry to piss on your hypocritical parade...

a reply to: TheRedneck
Mate, I often agree with many of your points of view, and respect you on those I don't agree with but in this case you sound like someone coming from a life time of indoctrination on this subject. You sound like you feel personally attacked, all feelings no logic.
No different to these adults saying "It's okay for kids to be trans, because as a trans adult I am fine." and they too can find plenty of 'science' to back them up, while completely ignoring all the science that disagrees.

It's normal for you because it is all you've known, because your society normalized it. You got mutilated without consent. Fact. Reasons matter not unless it was done at the time to save your life.
How do you know your sex life and all round penis comfort wouldn't be better if you still had your foreskin? You do not know and sadly never will.

The vast majority of 'natural' men like myself function fine. Hygiene is not an issue. Removing a foreskin simply because 'one day or maybe never, you might get a possible yet unlikely infection' That's like Angelina Jolie getting her breasts cut off because one day she MIGHT get cancer.... insanity. No science, just 'what ifs'. More so when religion is the reason.
An infallible all knowing god would add unnecessary skin, then demand it removed why? (While also giving such things to the non-humans.

Plenty of cultures where circumcision isn't practiced or normalized got to modern times how if infection is so serious?

I honestly think if you were uncut, you'd be singing a different tune on the matter.

Most male animals on the planet have some kind of 'sheath'. There's a reason men are born with a foreskin the same as women have clitoral hoods and labias and such.
If we weren't meant to have them then why are we born with them?

Don't get me wrong, like most things if it is truly medically necessary I support it, or if the person is an adult and capable of choosing for themselves.
But doing unnecessary surgery on kids, male or female just because "one day maybe" or "mah god" is just as BS as letting a kid decide they should get their genitals mutilated because they saw something on "youtube"

Hell I've had plenty of American friends who have admitted to circumcising their kids, and religion and hygiene weren't even a factor. Some women were like "I've only seen cut dicks and I think natural is ugly so I cut my son" literally mutilated their kid for looks, and others that were "well my Daddy was cut" like it was comparable to "I became a cop because my dad and his dad were cops", and men who simply mutilated their sons because they themselves got circumcised and no other reason.

Girls and boys being mutilated is equally bad to me. It's not a suffering competition. "Oh boys don't suffer as much as girls, so it's okay" Well guess what I also know plenty of men who got cut around the world who absolutely hate it was done to them without consent. It's affected many not only physically but mentally.

Where do you draw the line? I don't care what it is. I draw the line at 'IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY"

I'm 48, never had a UTI, STD or any other kind of disease on my dick. So glad my parents didn't go "Oh but one day you might be 70 and forget all those years of practicing hygiene" or "Some invisible being in the sky told me to, or at least their biased representative did....". I'm function perfectly fine in that department.
Plus bonus, unlike a cut guy, I can pull my foreskin back and experience circumcision. Having the head of my penis constantly rub against the inside of my clothing? Have it desensitized from being exposed to such things?
UGH no thanks. Feels horrible. Sadly no cut guy will ever know what they're missing.

Hell you hear plenty of nightmare stories about circumcisions when you're willing to look. Especially modern parents bitching online that they got asked 50 times and refused 50 times if they wanted their kid cut in U.S hospitals. Literally had to lose their sh*t to get doctors and nurses to back off.
Gee, wonder why Hospitals in the U.S are so keen to harvest baby foreskin? Wouldn't be a financial motive there at all hey?

The practice is beyond medieval and cruel and it needs to die out.

Seriously. Again, I think you let your feelings dictate you on this one, not your brain. Never seen a post where your heart was so obviously on your sleeve.