Do you find the Lack of Discipline disturbing

a reply to: JAGStorm

Sticky floor, messy kitchen at the end of a busy family day of cooking and interacting is what it is - it's called 'we live here'. The balancing part comes in to not be a neat freak and jump to clean it right away, because that is obsessive compulsive behaviour. It will get cleaned but a little later on or the next day, so what?, in the meantime, it's family time and everything else in it's own good time.

Good moms know that family and personal growth time is more important than putting cleaning as a priority. As for order, you are right JS, order will help save time and as for health, it seems we are too clean and the health professionals are saying our immune systems are not strong because of it. They advise we expose ourselves to more dirt, all kinds, and get outside more. So there is that.

Successful people come in all flavours and putting cleaning as a priority in life to make someone successful is most likely not the deciding factor. And organization/order is not cleaning, two different things altogether.

Chill and put family, friends and fun first.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JAGStorm

Believe me I grew up in a house with clean freaks and I can tell you my post was meant to be in-between, meaning a balanced approach. I live the balanced approach when it comes to cleaning and if I'd rather be having fun then the dishes can wait until tomorrow, which is usually less than 12 hours away. .

This is the quote you used.

I always remember this saying: Are you raising children or raising a house? and "Good moms have sticky floors, messy kitchens, laundry piles, dirty ovens and happy kids" - add more to that for working moms.

Sticky floors, messy kitchen,….etc is the exact opposite of a balanced approach.
Also 12 hours turns into 24 hours turns into days and week and next thing you know people are on hoarders wondering what happened.
Good moms help their kids learn to be successful adults. Part of that is cleaning, order, health.

I actually find keeping a tidy organized home allows you more time to do things with your kids because you aren’t tackling mountains of laundry, an entire kitchen etc.

Remember that show biggest loser. They had that lady Suze Orman on the show. She said she could know instantly who had financial problems in the group by how successful they were in losing weight. She was spot on.
The people that were most disciplined in weight loss also were the most financially stable.

I have to agree here, I used to do the upkeep stuff for a living -- lived in look does not equal more free time at all. All the Lazy Approach does is show me someone cannot somehow find the time to spend 30 minutes every other day sweeping & vacuuming their floors. Or they cannot physically clean the sticky up as soon as it went down, that tells me a lot of negatives, too. It's ice cream, #ing wipe it up with a soapy sponge, gross ass.

Bad home management is bad home management. Especially when cohabiting with other able bodies. No one needs to professionally deep clean daily, and even I skip cleaning times -- IF SHIZ IS VISIBLY CLEAN. If it looks "lived in", that is not clean, WTF people.


So yes JAG, totally agree on the lack of even the most simple of discipline today. Damn evident at all turns anymore, it seems.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Blessed to be able to afford someone with more discipline than I'll ever have, to keep things nice, clean and tidy, y me ayuda con el espanol.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Good moms help their kids learn to be successful adults. Part of that is cleaning, order, health.

That is so true, I'm glad you said it. But don't forget to add in "Dads."

When I married my second wife, I became step-dad to her three little girls - aged 5, 7 and 9. Raising kids is serious business; at least if you do it right. She didn't discipline them, just whacked them on the head with a flyswatter and sent them to their room. Where all their fun toys were! Needless to say, that kind of discipline didn't work very well. When I came along, I changed things. When they did something they weren't supposed to do, they had to stand in the corner as punishment. But first they had to tell me exactly what they did wrong and why they were getting punished. Needless to say, they started learning proper behavior and punishments went down because "violations" went down. Kids really just need to know where their boundaries are. When they're being good, I told them that meant more time for going to the park to play or getting some ice cream or so we could just play together. Kids are very smart and correct discipline is something they can understand and appreciate.

I think this picture really shows that my three stepdaughters appreciated proper discipline. All four of us got along well with each other:



Oh, and one more thing: I think proper discipline starts with the parents.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JAGStorm

Sticky floor, messy kitchen at the end of a busy family day of cooking and interacting is what it is - it's called 'we live here'. The balancing part comes in to not be a neat freak and jump to clean it right away, because that is obsessive compulsive behaviour.

I've found that mostly sloppy and unorganized people call it obsessive compulsive disorder. The rest of us just call it "organized."

originally posted by: rebsmarie
I work in the public school system and I can tell you yes, there is something wrong with the children. I have been on ATS for over a decade, this is my first post so I apologize if it's short. I do agree with you and it's rather scary. There's something wrong with children because theres something wrong with their parents and their parents, etc. 'They' seeped into the family decades ago and they are doing a good job at destroying the family and putting children in charge.

I read somewhere that lower intelligence people have more kids than highly intelligent people do you think that also contributes? Do you think that is a myth based on what you have seen?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Some countries still exercise discipline. They will own America at some point....and maybe rename it.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

It is the responsibility of the parent to discipline and prepare their children to be productive and a positive contributor to their society.

My Father was a strict disciplinarian that had an obsession with education. He would tell us children that we disrespected him and cast him in a bad light as a poor parent if we misbehaved in public. He used to say people would not see us as bad children, they would see him as a bad parent.

My Dad was the most creative with our punishments. He did not believe in spankings. He said they were over too quickly and did not give us enough time to think about out transgressions. Being military, I think helped him with his punishment creativity. I can't think of one transgression that caused me to receive one of his creative punishments that I ever thought about ever doing again. Most of those punishments were also served a purpose and involved strenuous chores, that might take a whole weekend to complete.

Discipline should be done with love, after an explanation for why you are receiving the punishment, and you coming to an understanding of why you are being punished. I can remember some of those lectures spilling over to nearly an hour. But in the end, it was just a delay.

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originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: JAGStorm

Sticky floor, messy kitchen at the end of a busy family day of cooking and interacting is what it is - it's called 'we live here'. The balancing part comes in to not be a neat freak and jump to clean it right away, because that is obsessive compulsive behaviour.

I've found that mostly sloppy and unorganized people call it obsessive compulsive disorder. The rest of us just call it "organized."

Nope, I know exactly what clean freak obsessive compulsive order looks like and organized is not cleanliness, two different things.

My mother cleaned constantly. We got the belt for infractions. There was very little fun time and a lot of chores. Also a lot of emotional abuse.

All three of us grew up very disciplined and law-abiding.

Make of that what you will. I attribute it to corporal punishment. I think it works. Pain is a great motivator.

Yes, I find the lack of discipline very disturbing. I don't respect people with no discipline including children.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: [post=26872182]TrulyColorBlind
"I've found that mostly sloppy and unorganized people call it obsessive compulsive disorder. The rest of us just call it "organized." "

Nope, I know exactly what clean freak obsessive compulsive order looks like and organized is not cleanliness, two different things.

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to prove me right.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
My mother cleaned constantly. We got the belt for infractions. There was very little fun time and a lot of chores. Also a lot of emotional abuse.

Not all parents are good parents.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: [post=26872182]TrulyColorBlind
"I've found that mostly sloppy and unorganized people call it obsessive compulsive disorder. The rest of us just call it "organized." "

Nope, I know exactly what clean freak obsessive compulsive order looks like and organized is not cleanliness, two different things.

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to prove me right.

Sure whatever floats your boat. Discipline taken to the extreme is not healthy.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

What you classify as a good parent and what I classify as a good parent are, apparently, two different things.

You may be too strict of a parent if you ...

You Struggle With Other People's Lack of Discipline

Strict parents often have difficulty tolerating everything from the way a teacher runs a classroom to the way Grandma handles behavior problems. It’s OK for kids to be exposed to adults who have different rules and different types of discipline.

Your Child Has Little Time for Fun
Many children with strict parents run from activity to activity with little downtime. While some structure is essential, it’s also important for kids to have free time.

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a reply to: quintessentone

Instead of being a chiding smarm-ass, why not just admit that you are envisioning people demanding Hermetic Environment Approved Sterile Clean, wheras the rest of us just want No 3D Fingerprints On # Clean.

Considering this, and the odds of you already being well aware of this possible line of thought, I get the impression that you indeed know 3D fingerprints well.

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: quintessentone

Instead of being a chiding smarm-ass, why not just admit that you are envisioning people demanding Hermetic Environment Approved Sterile Clean, wheras the rest of us just want No 3D Fingerprints On # Clean.

Considering this, and the odds of you already being well aware of this possible line of thought, I get the impression that you indeed know 3D fingerprints well.

I see something in that post triggered you but that's your issue not mine.

With this 5th gen war going on, discipline is one part of the assault on moral integrity. While the cultural campaign of moral degradation has been a slow creep over generations, is is effective. The political strength of the leftist woke agenda is one example of this.

Get the nation to destroy itself is the plan of invasion. With all the lock downs, told we are not essential and other covid gaslighting, just stay home with your netflix and uber eats has been the political direction the past couple of years. Things are starting to move again as the tide is against the booster program.

Even if the attack on moral integrity fails, it does weaken things should a D-day event kick off. With the way the WEF vultures circled around covid, is one front on the radar. Just not complying helped avoid a lot of the covid nonsense, it has cost some people a lot.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It is so interesting as we get further into this discussion sides are taken.

Either the straight and narrow or the free for all feelz.

Kids absolutely need structure and discipline.
Kids absolutely need fun play time and creative messiness.

You can have both but some think it’s impossible.
It’s called you play but have to clean up after.
It’s called you eat but have to clean up after.

I had a rule in my house, my kids could make whatever food they wanted. They could bake ten cakes. The only rule was they had to clean up after themselves when done. It worked extraordinarily well.

This post was also not just about kids, but ADULTS that have no discipline.
Where has that gotten us as a society?

Like I mentioned Obesity, disorder like hoarders, people that absolutely don’t want to work, people that no longer
Groom themselves.