Frozen in Time

a reply to: quintessentone
Thank you for finding this! I will watch the video after lunch today. This is intriguing. It may have only been tested in animal subjects as far as the public knows, but what's going on behind closed doors (or beyond this world, for that matter) could be a whole different story.

a reply to: charlyv

Interesting take on this and good thinking. I never thought of visual field replacement as a possible way to produce this scenario. Perhaps it does not exist on this world, but I wonder if there is some classified technology the public is unaware of which may be able to produce a similar effect.

I apologize for my bad habit of posting twice in a row, but I have a few more thoughts.
The more I think about it, the more I question just how much of these stories was remembered (and recounted) accurately by the witnesses. What makes this case (and many others in this field of research, for that matter) difficult is that if the witnesses were, in fact, subjected to an altered state or hypnosis, even if the effect was caused by some technology beyond this world, there's a good chance that the accuracy of their memory may have been somewhat diminished.
When the mind is faced with shocking or otherwise strongly unusual events such as high-strangeness encounters, abductions/MILABs, or moments of peril such as an accident, it tends to "mess up" the memory of the event, sometimes distorting time and even blacking out entire sequences in the memory of the event, i.e. someone forgetting he removed his seat belt for some strange reason in the minutes leading up to a bad accident, "you took off your seat belt!" "Really? I don't remember doing that."

Many researchers have a night-and-day approach to this issue. Some will assume that because one or two details were changed or misremembered by the witness or the person who interviewed them, that the entire story must be bogus.
Others take the entire story at face value no matter what inconsistencies are present. In a few cases, one of those two approaches may be correct, but this is not true for all cases.

Some research into MILABs broached the topic of modified memories, in which the subject(s) will experience memories of an event that did not happen as remembered. This is generally applied via a hypnotic suggestive technique. The agency/entities conducting the MILAB will do their experiment, but they will impart a "screen" memory over the "real" memory. But this is beyond the scope of the time-stop cases, as I don't think screen memories were at play here. I'm just putting this on the table. More available in these threads: Abducted By Uncle Sam
and
They Will Think It's Flying Saucers

Now, in direct relevance to the cases at hand:
Let's assume for this moment (once again) that all seven witnesses to the three time-stop events (two in Stewart's, one in the NY café) remembered each event perfectly, exactly as they happened, and recounted each detail flawlessly and fluently to the writers, who then, in perfect detail, recounted the cases in their literature. This sounds unlikely, but it is not impossible.
Going on this theoretical assumption of total accuracy, as we are discovering through further research and discussion (thanks very much to everyone who has taken the time to contribute so far!), these cases are very tricky to solve. It almost appears as if the most likely explanation is something otherworldly in nature--the entities present in these cases may have been be the visitors who perhaps possessed the technology to "sync" the witnesses to their arrival for whatever reason, thus allowing them to observe it, while the other café patrons and waitstaff would be completely ignorant to what had just occurred. Perhaps, in one scenario, in the moments during which the entities "entered" the café, their "time" had to sync up to this world's time, and perhaps they used the witnesses as a temporal reference to sync to. This is a very high-strangeness theory, for sure, and is just one proposal.

Now, let's look at another possibility. This one is more skeptical in nature, but by no means does it imply that these cases were fabricated. This touches on a human psychology issue present in many cases besides the ones in this discussion. In fact, this is one of the factors that makes the study of high-strangeness phenomena difficult at times.
Let's assume for this moment that some details were, in fact, changed or misremembered when the witnesses recounted the events, perhaps with further error by the writers. Even details in the most mundane stories (such as a relative telling a story about something that happened at the grocery last week) get lost or misremembered all the time. Very few people have perfect memory. Some do, of course, but not many, so this scenario is possible.
In this scenario, the implications are all over the place. The witnesses may, in fact, have been the subjects of an illusionist's practice (the "glowing" fellow may have been the illusionist, using himself as the focal point, and Mac X may have been lured to a different, more subtle point of focus). During the illusion, or perhaps the effects of a substance, the witnesses may have been so focused on the unusual visitor(s), or another focal point in Mac X's case, that everything else "blanked out" during the "trick".
Due to the induced hyper-focus, their memories may have become blurred. This scenario discounts Egeln's case somewhat, but not entirely. He did have a preexisting enthusiasm for high-strangeness situations, and I'm betting he had some influence on his fellow witness. This implies that if the two men did witness an anomaly at the coffee shop, there is a chance they may have exaggerated the effect and the entities greatly... or that he read about the Stewart's cases at some point and got inspired.
Also in this scenario (inaccuracies in the witnesses' memories and recounting of their experiences), the AIWS-inducing substance could have been involved, as well as some of the other tactics discussed earlier in this topic.

The bottom line is, the implications of any high-strangeness case vary depending on how much of it we take at face value. This is why it's good to approach certain cases from multiple angles.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to read and contribute to this topic so far. You've all provided some excellent thinking-material.

a reply to: wavelength

Sometimes even the truth can create false memories. Rob Nash,PhD, Aston University

It would appear even simple suggestibility can create false memories.

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I am also looking at what may or may or not contribute to altering one's memory but also causing one to hallucinate. Although both can be attributed to OCD, supposedly. It's unfortunate with all of our detective work on this thread that we are not able to ask these experiencers further questions. Like do you guys drink more than 4 cups of coffee per day?

So, in reference to the cafe high strangeness event, I have found a study linking excessive caffeine consumption and (perhaps) stress to the occurrence of hallucinatory experiences.

High coffee intake can cause auditory hallucinations – hearing things that are not there – researchers from La Trobe University, Australia report in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, after measuring the effect of caffeine and stress with 92 non-clinical participants. Even five coffees per day can trigger this type of hallucination, they explained.

Professor Simon Crowe, from the School of Psychological Sciences, said:

“High caffeine levels in association with high levels of stressful life events interacted to produce higher levels of ‘hallucination’ in non-clinical participants, indication that further caution needs to be exercised with the use of this overtly ‘safe’ drug.”

“The results also support both the diathesis-stress model and the continuum theory of schizophrenia in that stress plays a role in the symptoms of schizophrenia and that everyone, to some degree, can experience these symptoms. This was demonstrated by a significant effect of stress on the occurrence of hallucinatory experiences, or hearing the song.

It is apparent that the health risks of excessive caffeine use must be addressed and caution should be raised with regards to the exacerbating use of this stimulant.”

Caffeine acts on the human CNS (central nervous system), temporarily warding off drowsiness and helping restore alertness. It is the most widely consumed psychoactive substance on earth.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

The psychology field really wants to put anything and everything nicely into any mental disorder box they can easily select from the DSR 5 book of mental disorders.

Also how coffee is prepared determines it's caffeine levels. The drip coffee method will have the most caffeine levels.

Additionally, the people holding trumpets has me wondering because New Zealand has the Angel's Trumpet plant and the flower heads look fairly large to me in pics. Perhaps the flowers were mistaken for trumpets. Although in the Bible many angels visited people holding trumpets as well. It's also a poisonous hallucinogenic plant and was used by people as a hallucinogenic.

feritradition.org...

Just adding one more really good source article.

www.psychologytoday.com...

a reply to: wavelength

One more suggestion.

Look into the practice and uses of Reiki.

Supposedly, by manipulation of the electromagnetic field generated by the body (the "b-field") the Reiki practioner can effect healing, both physical and psychological, in the client/recipient.


I have seen a demonstration of this "b-field manipulation" induce a sensation of "floating" and slight dizziness in a subject.


Perhaps other sensations might be induced as well, depending upon the way(?) the technique is applied?


In essence, what I am saying is that the effects these individuals are reported to have experienced might have been possible without any drugs or mechanical devices, and could easily have been deployed to affect only the selected "targets", without the knowledge or notice of bystanders.


ETA:

I hope I'm not sending you down too many "rabbit holes"!

It's just that, in my experience, some of the strangest things have the most mundane explanations, while some of the most mundane things are beyond explanation.

And the key is to determine which is which, while not getting lost in the "briar patch".

a reply to: quintessentone

I agree, it really would be such a help to be able to interview some of these witnesses.
Interesting TED talk, particularly the bit in which he described the experiment showing how even though others may have the same memory as you, this does not prove that your memory is true. This is relevant psychology in any multi-witness high-strangeness case.
In the experiment, he described two cameras filming the same event from two different angles. One showed a woman taking a wallet, the other had the woman's actions obscured. Most of the subjects who were shown the obscured video later said they did remember seeing the woman lift the wallet, because they heard their fellow subjects (who saw the non-obscured video) describe seeing the woman take the wallet. They could picture the action enough in their mind when trying to remember the video (through the power of suggestion) such that they believed they did, in fact, see the woman take the wallet, even though in the version of the video they were shown, this entire action was not visible.

In group UFO/high strangeness sightings, this is a big problem for the researcher. One person may have seen a detail the other missed, but the other may have the image in their mind clearly enough to believe they had, in fact, observed that detail, although their mental image may be inaccurate.
The problem grows when one witness in the group has a propensity for imagination, thus reporting details that were not observed, i.e. a sighting of a flying disc by a group of three people; two of the people saw a flat, plain, silver disc. The third witness insisted it had glowing windows around its perimeter, and a bright white light on the bottom. Witness 3 is adamant enough about what they had seen that the other two witnesses begin to believe that they, too, had observed the windows and light.

In some early military investigations of UFO sightings, it was common practice in group sightings to hand each of the witnesses pencils and sheets of paper, and ask them to go into separate areas to sketch what they had seen. Often, the sketches would differ, sometimes greatly, from each other. Generally, the more the sketches differed, the more likely the witnesses were telling the truth; if the sketches all came out looking nearly identical, the chances of fabrication with the collusion of all of the witnesses was considered greater. In this case, vivid false memories of one witness could also be a factor if this witness was able to convince the others that what he had seen was correct.

Also, good info on caffeine and mental health effects. Thank you.
We can presume that if the subjects were regulars at Stewart's Coffee Shop, coffee was probably something they consumed regularly. Of course, that's not set in stone--apparently, you could get a nice glass of fruit juice there, too. We know Mac X (second event) was a coffee drinker.
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a reply to: Mantiss2021

The "rabbit holes" have been a wealth of thought experiments, I appreciate your inputs. All of what you've suggested so far sounds fairly plausible in all of these cases.
It's entirely possible that the explanation, especially in the two Stewart's incidents, could be something of this nature. In this scenario, as you mentioned earlier, the practitioner probably knew the rhythms of the café (and, most likely, the area around that one table across from the stairs at which both sets of witnesses were sitting). This would also imply that the witnesses certainly had false memories of the event (or, at least, inaccurate ones) thus exaggerating the perceived effects, later feeding on each other's recounting of the event until they came to the agreement that something absolutely fantastical had occurred. Something did occur, but perhaps not as "wild and exotic" of an experience as was perceived by the witnesses.

We've gone through several very plausible scenarios so far in this study ranging from substance-induced altered states, to interdimensional technology, military/ID joint operations, visual field replacement, and illusionist/therapeutic type techniques. Some of these explanations are probably more likely than others, but either way, we've learned a great deal thus far about different ways an entity, human or not, could produce the effect of perceived time stoppage on a group of witnesses.

This opens up another question (and, perhaps, another rabbit hole): the why.
If there were experiments going on at these eateries, whether conducted by the military, someone from somewhere else, or even a practicing illusionist, what would be some of the practical applications of this technique "in the field"? We know a magician could have fun with this type of thing, but I'm going to go investigate what the military (or a "visitor") would want to do with this. This might warrant a revisit of the concept of MILABs. I mentioned at some point before that this may be a useful technique in that type of operation, but I'm sure there are other applications.

Then again, it could always be an entity (or an aspiring stage magician(s)) simply entertaining themselves.

a reply to: wavelength

I can give you one example of a practical application utilizing the NLP techniques of "registering" and "mirroring" as demonstrated by one of my, let's call it, "instructors".


We were at an outdoor market with a fairly sized, diverse crowd. We stopped to engage a middle-aged man, ostensibly to compliment him on his attire, which happened to include an unremarkable walking stick in his right hand. My companion engaged the man in a few moments of conversation, not more than a minute or two at most, and in what would seem, and sound, as perfectly ordinary pleasant conversation between two strangers.

Until, in the same normal voice, without threat or change in tone or rhythm, my companion said "Drop the stick".

The gentleman's face went blank for the briefest moment as he dropped his walking stick. He immediately reacted in suprise as the stick clattered on the pavement and we both, my companion and I (me, most sincerely!) echoed that surprise.


We said our "Nice to meet you's" and parted from the man after he picked up his cane, looking naturally a bit embarrassed, and he walked off.

Out of the man's earshot, some distance further on, my friend turned to me and said/asked (both apply)

"Useful".



Now, suppose the walking stick had been a knife, or a gun?


Useful?

a reply to: Direne

(There is an even more interesting discussion: what happens at the boundary between that region of spacetime in which time ceases to exist, and the region outside that one, in which time exists; that discussion leads to just one single conclusion: there is no way for such a singular region to exist.)

This is where my mind is at right now. I'm looking at all the variables in all the stories and switching back and forth from advanced technology to military experimental technology/drugs.

What if the odd technology (which when operated seemed to create a noise like a crack) was a device that could send a negative energy pulse through quantum entangled atoms thereby affecting spacetime?



As you can see we have the negative energy pulse technology, is the military or other country's spies using it on us? The rabbit hole may also lead down the quantum entanglement wormhole.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Thanks, Mantiss. That is an excellent example.

I'm combing through my files to find other cases in which these types of technique may have been applied. I have a bunch of potential MILABs to sift through as well as a few other scenarios which, at first glance, appear to use some of this.
I'll report back here when I dissect any relevant cases in which the "Stewart's Effect" (for lack of a better term) may have been employed.

Thanks again.

a reply to: quintessentone

Very interesting video and physics. Thanks. I've examined a few interesting high-strangeness cases in which technology along those lines appeared to have been a plausible explanation (I may pull up a few doozies for you later on a future topic). I say it often, but it's worth repeating--what the military has at their disposal is generally 30 to 50 years more advanced than anything the public is allowed to know.

a reply to: wavelength

Wavelength, I'm posting the CERN linear accelerator source with a picture of the accelerator for us to get a general idea of what the odd technology may look like (in smaller, portable form, of course), that is if it has something to do with boosting negative hydrogen ions to affect time dilation from two entangled atoms (my theory).

Did anybody in the cases ever describe any of the odd technology? Maybe there will be similarities.

I'll wait for your few doozies, maybe more details may shed more theories.

home.cern...

( would like a tin foil hat on this emoji)

a reply to: quintessentone

The Linear Accelerator 4 is a brilliant piece of equipment. It would be great if something could do the same things that 86-meter long monster can do at pocket size.

I'll start a new thread soon as not to derail this one, because some of the cases are very different from these (although similarities may arise as you suggested). My internet connection is limited at the moment, I'm having some trouble compiling resources, but in a few days I should have everything back up and running.

Until then, I offer this: The Fall of the Iron Curtain And The Return of the Humanoids
Many of these are interesting. Some of them are a bit fantastical with entertainment value at best, but others are somewhat more significant. There is one here which you may find particularly intriguing, scroll to the one which occurred on October 21, 1989 in Sibay, Bashkortostan Republic, Russia. It's entirely different fundamentally, and mostly unrelated to the Stewart's cases, but since you brought up this type of technology, I think you will enjoy some of the dialog from the entities who, presumably, have mastered it by now.

Time travel formula given to humanity from extra-terrestrial visitor (named: Solganda (sp? over 700 yrs of age) as explained by George Van Tassel, Manager of airport 40 miles N of Palm Springs used by both private and military aircraft in 1953 (recorded 1964).

F = 1 over T (F = frequency, T = time) is the formula for time travel; electronic magnetic science.



www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

At the 18:33 sec. mark in the video, the building also has a rim with protruding shapes (perhaps trumpet shaped? unknown because I can't make it out and the interviewer interrupted George as he was just about to explain what the protrusions on the building rim were - of course).

a reply to: quintessentone

That is an amazing structure with so much scientific and historical inspiration. I've heard of Van Tassel being referenced before in the UFO community but I was unaware that he invested so much into the Integratron project, both financially and theoretically. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This is now on my list of things to go see if/when I ever get the time to travel.
It's too bad Van Tassel was never able to complete the machinery meant to be housed in this facility, it would have been interesting to see what he was able to discover with it. Now, at the very least, it sounds like an amazing place to record effects for a music album.

a reply to: wavelength

That was super interesting to read, thanks.

The “aliens” then told him that civilization had existed on Earth before the continents had drifted apart roughly about 35 thousand years ago. He claimed that during experimentation with accelerator of elementary particles “the Great calamity” had occurred, it had changed conditions on earth to an inappropriate state and had triggered a continental shift. The disaster had occurred because of ignorance of the complete energy substance. It was considered that the full energy was E=MC2, but after the calamity it was apparently 30 degrees higher. After the calamity some of the inhabitants escaped using a time machine. The witness then asked why couldn’t they returned to the past using the time machine and prevent the calamity. The answer was, “According to the principles of Nature time travel to the past is impossible, only time travel to the future is possible”.

The witness told the “alien” that he had heard rumors that humanity will be extinct if they did not change their ways by the year 2000, he wanted to know if it was true. The answer was that as to their mutual interests of both “parallel” civilizations” the calamity must never repeat itself, they were working on correcting the “mistake” now. The witness then asked how time travel was possible. He was told that there were 6 degrees of “freedom” in space, forward, backward, left, right, up and down, and one degree in time---to the future. In total there were seven degrees of movement. Apparently they had the ability to slow time and eliminate the need of large consumption of energy. To realize that on practice, the theory of superconductivity must be known as well as super liquidity and super transparency. After the scientific dialogue was finished the witness stepped out of the craft and the “aliens” closed the door, the disk then zoomed up and disappeared.

So, they are in fact warning us not to experiment with accelerating elemental particles. If this is in fact the truth then we are headed for yet another calamity. Extinction, is another question.