Impending Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus Will Likely Force NATO to Act

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: peaceinoutz


putin apparently believes that NATO is already attacking russia.

Because he’s an egomaniacal, self-centered deluded mass murderer, slowly building his history of Hitlerlaian acts on an innocent country.

And just because they give Ukraine weapons to defend themselves, this deluded demon sees it as an attack on Russia.

Why so eager for the USA to get involved?

Nato is toothless without the USA.

Why not seek to end the conflict?

Revenge must be sought?

originally posted by: Lysergic
Why so eager for the USA to get involved?

Nato is toothless without the USA.

Why not seek to end the conflict?

How is it going to end from one side? It’s Putin who doesn’t want to end the conflict because he is losing and has to save face. He is the one drafting 300 thousand Russians and sending them to a meaningless death.

If you were over there or your 20-year-old son, would you want him to go die for Putin's ego?

a reply to: Lysergic


Because russia hasn't left Ukrainian territory yet.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Russia is at war with the deepstate. Hence the money being thrown at this. The west does not demise is own economies for the freedom of people in the world, The attack is occurring on several fronts at the same time.. It the battle for the US in the elections in Brazil. With the CCP in sights and the issues in Iran. All the same thing.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Russia is at war with the deepstate. Hence the money being thrown at this. The west does not demise is own economies for the freedom of people in the world, The attack is occurring on several fronts at the same time.. It the battle for the US in the elections in Brazil. With the CCP in sights and the issues in Iran. All the same thing.

So it isn't Ukraine that russia invaded to steal territory from again?


Is 'the deep state' a country?

a reply to: purplemer

Russia is at war with Ukraine because Putin thought he could get away with it and then go for a few more former Soviet countries.

He miscalculated.

It's really that simple.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Why not seek to end the conflict?

If the conflict was ended around the table now, what would happen?.. think about it, think about it dispassionately and logically based on ruZZias actions the last 30 years since the USSRs break up.

ruZZia would come away with large parts of territory its wanted for decades (a land bridge to crimea has been a goal of putler and the oligarchs for a long long time).. Ukraine comes away with nothing but lose.

10-20 years from now, guess what happens... ruZZia gives it another go for some more gains since it got away with it last time with 'minimal' cost, the world buckles for 'peace' again and it rinses and repeats (just like Chechnya ad Georgia before it).

This is ruZZia as a country, this has always been ruZZia for decades the rest of the world has for all that time buckled at the threats and foot stamping... enough is enough, we now know the bully has no teeth, the bully needs to recognize its BS holds no weight any more, the 'king' truly is just naked.

If to get a lasting peace, one that last longer than just a decade before ruZZia gives it another bite, means letting a war THEY started continue for a while longer so they loose rather than gain from it then hey... sometimes you have to sacrifice, weather that is lives, money cost of living so be it.

This isnt about revenge, this is about telling a sad pathetic little man and by extension a cultural mindset thats been around for centuries... no more.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

The new lands which are now part of Russia would have to have independent observers to prove that the referendum was a sham.If it was not that basicly is the end of it. This wont happen simply because it looks like they actually did want to join the federation. So really it all depends on how long the deep state can hold it all together.I would not underestimate them.

a reply to: anonentity

So, there weren't any independent observers so it's all OK?!!!

Did Russia call any in?

Blimey.

Is this New Speak?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: BigfootNZ

The new lands which are now part of Russia would have to have independent observers to prove that the referendum was a sham.If it was not that basicly is the end of it. This wont happen simply because it looks like they actually did want to join the federation. So really it all depends on how long the deep state can hold it all together.I would not underestimate them.

A referendum is not possible while those 'lands' are occupied by the russian military.

Not until the area is rebuilt and refugees are allowed to return.



Perhaps russians should go back to russia immediately, you know, to start the process.

a reply to: anonentity

The new lands which are now part of Russia would have to have independent observers to prove that the referendum was a sham.

Err...that's arse about face; independent observers verify the legality of an election/ballot etc.
The lack of them immediately casts doubt on the credibility of any sort of election.....that's sort of the accepted norm.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: BigfootNZ

The new lands which are now part of Russia would have to have independent observers to prove that the referendum was a sham.If it was not that basicly is the end of it. This wont happen simply because it looks like they actually did want to join the federation. So really it all depends on how long the deep state can hold it all together.I would not underestimate them.

Of coarse the referendums were a sham... when the majority of a region leave to flee advancing enemy forces and death, and the remainder hardly turn out to vote, to the point you have to go door to door with soldiers and even then the turn out was meager at best... what type of result do you expect?.. the only ones who would have voted are the ones who want to go back to ruZZia, since the majority of the minority of those who stayed behind would be on ruZZias side after all, ie the separatists.

This is also a referendum held by a country lead by a man whos been in charge for 30 years (even when he wasnt in charge lol), who brutally suppresses political opponents and parties to the point they are nothing but name only or living in exile.

Also, I dont buy the 'deep state' idea... seen to much and read to much the last 30 years to realize that its nothing but a catch all excuse to fill in the gaps of any old conspiracy belief to make it work or fit a bias... saying 'deep state' is like saying 'god did it' in order to explain something. Are their groups with power, yeah, are they powerful enough to make actual change or are they a global spanning cadre... nope.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Impending Invasion of Ukraine from Belarus Will Likely Force NATO to Act

Do you mean you think NATO will officially move troops into Ukraine, or declare war? Very unlikely as they have been meddling in it for years. This has been a conflict between NATO and Russia from the beginning (including the civil hostilities going back to 2014). Ukraine is just the US's chosen battleground because it's on Russia's border, already has a puppet govt, and the Ukrainian people are providing much of the cannon fodder.

As Noam Chomsky noticed years ago, NATO has morphed into a group that is tying to control the world's energy reserves. What this really is, is an energy war. This observation has been supported by the overt policy of the US which has long been scheming of ways to take Europe off energy being supplied by Russia. It also weakens Germany, which seems to be in the interests of the US. Apart from the upside for US corporate elites of being able to launder taxpayer money into profits via Ukraine. The ultimate aim is probably to have Russia collapse so that they can move in and take control of their energy reserves. This also seems unlikely to happen.

It's also worthwhile defining what NATO itself is ie. the US and its gaggle of spineless lapdog politicians from Europe that it bullies around. This war is likely to drag on for a quite a while. The immediate aim has been achieved (Germany/Europe is getting no gas from Russia) so unless there is a realistic opportunity of the Russians collapsing, the US will want to drag it on a la Afghanistan.

There is very little realistic chance of Russia losing this war anyway, even if NATO officially moved in. That would be an extremely dangerous move with the real chance of nuclear strikes (as opposed to the propaganda now floating around at the moment). Whichever way it ends, it means the destruction of Ukraine at the very least, unfortunately. Seems amazing that people actually believe the US regime could care less about Ukraine.

a reply to: Quintilian


"Do you mean you think NATO will officially move troops into Ukraine, or declare war? "


No.

NATO isn't either threatening or preparing for that, and it won't be necessary since russia isn't capable of winning the war it started anyway.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

My "ilk"?

Encouraging "the escalation"?

You mean by standing up to a World class bully?

History is calling you.

Pick up.

Ukraine is calling armchair soldiers like you. They are enlisting foreigners

When are you going ?

Pick up !!!!

So is russia.

Your point?

I'm not pushing war

YOU ARE

GO !!
Off to Ukraine !!

Now !


But you won't as you are as faithless as you are a coward.

Get help

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

My "ilk"?

Encouraging "the escalation"?

You mean by standing up to a World class bully?

History is calling you.

Pick up.

Ukraine is calling armchair soldiers like you. They are enlisting foreigners

When are you going ?

Pick up !!!!

So is russia.

Your point?

You're slow, I know
So I'll try to explain it to you

Nexttimemaybe is pushing for a confrontation to "stand up to a bully"
I have been pushing for the opposite, diplomatic negatiations, or a least a cease fire.
No war
Capiche ?

This is not Grade 3 and this is not "king of the mountain".
Stop pushing for a global nuclear holocaust

russia can begin 'negotiations' by leaving Ukrainian territory.

Other than russia paying to rebuild what they destroyed in Ukraine and security guarantees for Ukraine by Western countries, what else is there to 'negotiate'?

Even 3rd graders understand this.




What you are demanding is not 'negotiations', it's for Ukraine to surrender to russia.

That's not how cease fires work

Look up the end of the Korean war.
A mere cease fire, no peace treaty, no reparations paid by the North, as they should have.

But the point was to stop the bloodshed and that worked.

Again, your gross ignorance of diplomacy and history is showing.


But do go fight in Ukraine, you have a right to make that choice for yourself.

When are you leaving ?

a reply to: M5xaz


"I'm not pushing war"


Glad to hear that you are now advocating for russia to immediately remove it's invasion forces from Ukraine.