Trying To Game The Roulette Wheel.

This is something I've repeated in testing at least 20 times. 

Rules:

Start with 25,000 (10k for play, 15k for recovery bet) at a roulette table.

Place this bet:



Rules:

Place this minimal bet at $50 until you lose.

Then place a bet at $5000 (5 × $1,000). Only once.

Then immediately do the same bet at $500 (5 × $100) Also only once.

Then place a bet of $250 (5 × $50) Do this twice.

Then return to $50 and repeat.

Do this for 100 spins, or as long as you want. Betting whatever 30 numbers you want.

* Should you lose at a higher amount immediately return to the largest bet possible and repeat.

** Should you lose at the $5,000 dollar bet, repeat as large as possible if having less than 5,000 left. I personally lost on the big bet 5 times (which was amazing for 2000 total spins) and recovered every time

*** You can always recover increasing the bet 5 fold for recovery within 4 bets. So tailor the big bet with what your comfortable with. After a losing streak it's not a bad idea to let the large recovery bet ride a few times before tapering off and resetting.

**** At later spins you can up the minimal bet if positive earnings allow.



In 20 tries I have never busted out, but have on two occasions hit 100 spins at less than the starting amount. Only twice went all in with less 5k. Lowest at 100 spins was $2,340. Though I'm guessing it may be an anomaly I made it 20 times without busting out.

So reliable I could purposely lose all but 10k to demonstrate this. And got it on the first shot.

After 100 spins:

I had lost on spin 99 at the $250 bet and won the final $5000 spin.



Conclusion:

This isn't exactly counting. But it does tread into similar statistical territory. If anything it's playing to the belief you won't lose two or three times in a row. And If you do, it's unlikely to bust you out.

The sixteen percent hit rate equals a winning percentage of 80%. Slightly better than the 19:15 odds.

 I have yet try this full scale at a casino. Even in the proportionally smaller version it still takes 500 dollars that you have to commit yourself to the possibility of losing.  Still curious how it would go outside a random number generating app.

 I thought this was cool enough to share. In the 18 positive takes cutting off at 100 spins, after subtracting the two losing tries, the net gain was about $124,000.

a reply to: Degradation33

For the sake of the discussion I'm assuming this does work as you've demonstrated.

My question is, how many times do you think you'll get away with doing this in a real casino?

a reply to: myselfaswell

I tried a lite version (before I really tested it) with 100 dollars at one of the rapid game versions with a touchscreen that allows 50 cent bets at an Indian Casino. I made about $70 in an hour and a half and got stared down like you would not believe doing it. Made me reconsider upping it. I guess they'd rather have you trying to double up in 1 bet?

Plus, the way the world works says the time you try it with a substantial amount is the time you lose 4 times in a row. To do it in real life you need a few orders for recovery just to reset. You can always win with a sufficient amount though.

Lose a 5k bet 25k, lose at 25k bet 125k, you will recover to even eventually.

a reply to: Degradation33

My question is, how many times do you think you'll get away with doing this in a real casino?

OP How is it that you would be "Getting away" with anything?
Aren't you making a legal bet everytime?
What am I missing?

a reply to: Degradation33

I made about $70 in an hour and a half and got stared down like you would not believe

I can't even begin to imagine the alarm bells you'd set off in Vegas, as well as the risk of getting measured up for a pair of size 25 concrete boots.

a reply to: myselfaswell

I can't even begin to imagine the alarm bells you'd set off in Vegas, as well as the risk of getting measured up for a pair of size 25 concrete boots.

I thought winning was okay? Is this cheating some how?

originally posted by: Saloon
a reply to: myselfaswell

I can't even begin to imagine the alarm bells you'd set off in Vegas, as well as the risk of getting measured up for a pair of size 25 concrete boots.

I thought winning was okay? Is this cheating some how?

I would imagine that if you can consistently beat the house, you're cheating as far as they're concerned.

a reply to: Saloon

I'm guessing it be as frowned upon like the MIT kids. And you need that amount of money to pull it off.

In fact going in with 250k could rape a casino on a no limit table.

And it's on this rationale.

If you lose on the 1k, and then at 5k, and then lose on 25k, you probably won't on 125k. And then because you just lost 3 times in a row you can keep playing that 125k a few more times knowing the odds in aggregate favor you most of the time.

More testing:

Here is one where I started at 500, and every time i lost I increased it. 500 -> 5000 -> 25000. And when I won, tapered it back sequentially to 500 and kept repeating that for 50 spins.

I cant make this lose with the ability to just keep increasing the next bet.

I actually like this way better. So these are alternate rules that are actually simpler. And through testing work has twice the profit.



And then again in another 50 spins.



And the next 50 spins showing this is for some reason hitting at 80% consistently. Seemingly erasing the house advantage.



I had to use the 25k bet 3 times (total) and recovered every time.

150 spin total = $25,540

Took 150 spins to cover the 3rd level bet.


*** Addendum to OP. Lost on the REPEAT big bet 5 times in 2000 spins. And then could recover increasing the next bet.

a reply to: Degradation33

Check this out :

In addition to your layout, add $50 on 1-18.

You now double up on 4-18 (15 numbers) and break even on the rest.

Play on a European table and you only fear 1 zero.

I had a dream of going to Vegas once. Make a $100 per casino at 10 casinos a day, then go to other casinos.

I don't see the casino getting stressed out over a system like this. What happens the day you lose your 125K?

Sic Bo was my preferred game with 3 dice. At least that one gave a 50/50 chance.

There are some people that do find an edge on the odds, staying sober helps. If you are too successful the casino will ban you. Betting small and just getting some nibbles for that day is a good approach if your precognition is strong.

a reply to: kwakakev

It has to happen. You just hope you make that much before the inevitable 4 times in a row so it doesn't hit that hard. That or increase it to 625.

In the end it looks you'd need a lot of money to pull this off.

If you have a perfect understanding of the game, the house still has a 4.7% edge if you play a perfect game.The Casinos added 00, that’s where they make their money. If you play long enough the house will win, it’s called gamblers ruin. Personally I like to cover the alley, splitting between 0, 00, 2

Never play with more than you can afford to lose. People walk into Casino’s with a system every day.

a reply to: Degradation33

I think they have something called the house limit on the tables. It is to stop martingale gamblers who have a lot of cash. Because if you have the resources to keep doubling the bet you can win. The best one for Roulette that I heard of was that the table should put out an equal number of blacks and reds over time but they never come out as black red black red. They always come out red red black red black black black black red red . So you always bet on the last color and double up if it goes down. keep the bets small and steadily hammer away.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Degradation33

I think they have something called the house limit on the tables. It is to stop martingale gamblers who have a lot of cash. Because if you have the resources to keep doubling the bet you can win. The best one for Roulette that I heard of was that the table should put out an equal number of blacks and reds over time but they never come out as black red black red. They always come out red red black red black black black black red red . So you always bet on the last color and double up if it goes down. keep the bets small and steadily hammer away.

Good point the limit is 10k per bet at the high end in Vegas.

So that slides the Vegas limit for this down.

[80 -> 400 -> 2000 -> 10,000]

I'll test this for Vegas limits next.

Using the simpler alternate method I came up with after the overcomplicated first one.

*****************

Okay, this is the Vegas limit test. I used the 80 bet twice and then excluded it using the steps of 400 -> 2000 -> 10,000 instead.

I play an online casino, but I stick to BlackJack. They used to have Roulette but removed it. I have a system that works for me, so far I am currently ahead by a few hundred. I had been always redeeming gift cards for instacart, feeding myself with the gambling winnings. Finally got my weird ass online bank verified so I can get $$. They use 6 decks and shuffle every hand so it's tough, but I think my method gives me just the slightest edge.

I bet the same amount every hand, no matter what. I only increase my bets mid hand by doubling down or splitting. Once I see the dealers up card.

originally posted by: Saloon
a reply to: Degradation33

My question is, how many times do you think you'll get away with doing this in a real casino?

OP How is it that you would be "Getting away" with anything?
Aren't you making a legal bet everytime?
What am I missing?

Casino games are designed so that the house always has a slight advantage. Gaming the system means a player is manipulating the desired outcome (i.e., the house's built-in advantage). If a casino feels a player is gaming the system, they have the right to use that as a basis for turning someone away from any game.

For example, in most casinos if you memorize the cards that have been played from the deck in Blackjack (knowing what cards have been played gives you an advantage), they call that a form of cheating/gaming the system and have the right to refuse to let a person play on those grounds.

a reply to: Degradation33

Craps table 2 and the 12 count twenty rolls no 2 or 12 cover em
5 and 5 if it pays 30 to 1 150 is your ceiling.

Up the bet to 10 and 10 at 300 move to up to twenties if you have the
money to out last the dice 2 or the 12 gotta come up sometime.

originally posted by: Saloon
a reply to: myselfaswell

I can't even begin to imagine the alarm bells you'd set off in Vegas, as well as the risk of getting measured up for a pair of size 25 concrete boots.

I thought winning was okay? Is this cheating some how?

Be sure to explain the nuance while they're stomping your ass into a mudhole.

a reply to: Degradation33

The problem is, in a real roulette wheel each spin has the same probability of landing on any particular number as the previous spin, and the next spin (outside things like environmental variables or interference) so although the results will tend to make a nice distribution, an outlier condition is still nevertheless not preventable. You would need deep pockets and a long timeline.

a reply to: oikos

I pissed em off before, Black Jack instead of playing every hand
I was bouncing in and out. Never heard of any rule the says you
have to play every hand. This little Korean gal dealing got all bent.
She said if I was gonna sit there I have to play everyhand.

Anybody hear of that rule?

Well that was the night it became one. Heated exchange I was asked
to leave I complied on to the next casino.

Uh uh! To big dudes met me at the door and said sir you can come in
but no Black Jack. I explained I don't even care about Black Jack they
said okay that was it. But in 5 mins I couldn't play Black Jack anywhere
in Vegas.