China: Ancient Pyramids + Explosions: "Underground Forests in Mystery Holes of Guangxi"

a reply to: ArMaP

Thank you for posting the quotes from the Vedas.

The first quote sounds... EXACTLY like ancient nuclear destruction.

Back to Mahabharata and nuclear war.

I finished reading the first part of the Drona Parva, the first 33 sections of the 203, and I decided to stop there.

Those first 33 sections were good to give me an idea of the context and one thing they showed me was that although they mentions some iron weapons they talk about them as if they were still only used by a few, specially the most famous warriors.

As the part about the "nuclear war" is on section 201, I jumped to that part to see what it says.











The valiant Aswatthaman, then, staying resolutely on his car, touched water and invoked the Agneya weapon incapable of being resisted by the very gods. Aiming at all his visible and invisible foes, the preceptor’s son, that slayer of hostile heroes, inspired with mantras a blazing shaft possessed of the effulgence of a smokeless fire, and let it off on all sides, filled with rage. Dense showers of arrows then issued from it in the welkin. Endued with fiery flames, those arrows encompassed Partha on all sides. Meteors flashed down from the firmament. A thick gloom suddenly shrouded the (Pandava) host. All the points of the compass also were enveloped by that darkness. Rakshasas and Pisachas, crowding together, uttered fierce cries. Inauspicious winds began to blow. The sun himself no longer gave any heat. Ravens fiercely croaked on all sides. Clouds roared in the welkin, showering blood. Birds and beasts and kine, and Munis of high vows and souls under complete control, became exceedingly uneasy. The very elements seemed to be perturbed. The sun seemed to turn. The universe, scorched with heat, seemed to be in a fever. The elephants and other creatures of the land, scorched by the energy of that weapon, ran in fright, breathing heavily and desirous of protection against that terrible force. The very waters heated, the creatures residing in that element, O Bharata, became exceedingly uneasy and seemed to burn. From all the points of the compass, cardinal and subsidiary, from the firmament and the very earth, showers of sharp and fierce arrows fell and issued with the impetuosity of Garuda or the wind. Struck and burnt by those shafts of Aswatthaman that were all endued with the impetuosity of the thunder, the hostile warriors fell down like trees burnt down by a raging fire. Huge elephants, burnt by that weapon, fell down on the earth all around, uttering fierce cries loud as the rumblings of the clouds. Other huge elephants, scorched by that fire, ran hither and thither, and roared aloud in fear, as if in the midst of a forest conflagration. The steeds, O king, and the cars also, burnt by the energy of that weapon, looked, O sire, like the tops of trees burnt in a forest-fire. Thousands of cars fell down on all sides. Indeed, O Bharata, it seemed that the divine lord Agni burnt the (Pandava) host in that battle, like the Samvarta fire consuming everything at the end of the Yuga.

Although some things may make us think about an atomic bomb, the next part makes it look even less like one.

^Well the next part describes the nuclear destruction and clouds... clearing away.

Which is not necessarily a contradiction. Maybe they had a different technology that could clear it away. Which is what it seems to be saying:

Then Arjuna, O king, invoked into existence the Brahma weapon, capable of baffling every other weapon, as ordained by the Lotus-born (Brahma) himself. Within a moment that darkness was dispelled, cool winds began to blow, and all the points of the compass became clear and bright. We then beheld a wonderful sight, viz., a full Akshauhini (of the Pandava troops) laid low. Burnt by the energy of Aswatthaman’s weapon, the forms of the slain could not be distinguished.

And I don't agree with your last statements:

It looks like that weapon that could destroy everything didn't work as expected, as two "mighty bowmen" were left unaffected. Not only them but also their cars, their horses, their banners, etc.

^Actually, I think it sounds like the two mighty bowmen... were the ones who unleashed the destruction. That's why they're unaffected, they were not IN the destruction.

Where were they? Your quote says they were "seen together, like the sun and the moon in the firmament."

That seems to mean that they were floating in the sky. Which makes sense as a place from which to unleash nuclear destruction, without being affected themselves, as the planet below was destroyed:

Then those two heroic and mighty bowmen, viz., Kesava and Arjuna, freed from that darkness, were seen together, like the sun and the moon in the firmament. Indeed, the wielder of Gandiva and Kesava were both unwounded. Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

Floating in space also makes sense for why the warriors were described as shining in the dark sky, in ur quote, and it even describes their spacecraft being unharmed!

Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

Seems quite clear that it's describing nuclear destruction unleashed by the warriors, in the spacecraft, shining in the sky.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
^Actually, I think it sounds like the two might bowmen... were the ones who unleashed the destruction. That's why they're unaffected, they were not IN the destruction.

They weren't, they were part of the enemy and they were supposed to have been destroyed.

Where were they? Your quote says they were "seen together, like the sun and the moon in the firmament." That seems to mean that they were floating in the sky. Which makes sense as a place from which to unleash nuclear destruction, but without being affected themselves, as the planet below was destroyed.

The text is full of analogies like that, like comparing the battle field with a river, with the dead bodies being the waves, the destroyed cars the fish, things like that. When talking about warriors it's common to find comparisons like "a lion among men" or "a tiger among men".

Floating in space also makes sense for why the two warriors were seemingly described as shining in the dark sky, in ur quote, heck it even describes their spacecraft being unharmed.

A horse-drawn car is hardly a spacecraft.

a reply to: ArMaP

They weren't, they were part of the enemy and they were supposed to have been destroyed.

Well what can I say. I'm only reading your quotes and it seems to be bragging about the unharmed warriors, floating in the firmament, in their shining craft.

I thought the natural implication was that they had unleashed the destruction, but OK, I guess it could alternately just be bragging about their ability to flee from the destruction.

Then those two heroic and mighty bowmen, viz., Kesava and Arjuna, freed from that darkness, were seen together, like the sun and the moon in the firmament. Indeed, the wielder of Gandiva and Kesava were both unwounded. Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

The text is full of analogies like that, like comparing the battle field with a river, with the dead bodies being the waves, the destroyed cars the fish, things like that. When talking about warriors it's common to find comparisons like "a lion among men" or "a tiger among men".

I think it's poetic phrases that come from the spoken-tradition of the Vedas for countless centuries. And I don't count it as a criticism against the text or whatever.

It's poetic phrasing and it's also less-advanced people recounting stories of more-advanced culture from thousands of years ago.

So of course the phrasing is from the standpoint of less-advanced people, describing long-past advanced culture that they don't have all the right terminology for it.

A horse-drawn car is hardly a spacecraft.

Hmm, well it describes a shining-car full of warriors, floating in space, and you think of it as a horse-drawn carriage.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Well what can I say. I'm only reading your quotes and it seems to be bragging about the unharmed warriors, floating in the firmament, in their shining craft.

I thought the natural implication was that they had unleashed the destruction, but OK, I guess it could alternately just be bragging about their ability to flee from the destruction.

The Drona Parva is a description of a battle between two sides, done by someone that was on the same side as Drona
No, they were part of the enemy army that were supposed to be destroyed by the weapon. As a consequence, the side that used the weapon was demoralized when they saw that those two remained alive and uninjured.

The text also says:

And soon there arose diverse sounds of life mingled with the blare of conchs and the beat of drums, from among the Pandava troops filled with joy. Both hosts thought that Kesava and Arjuna had perished. Beholding Kesava and Arjuna, therefore (freed from darkness and the energy of that weapon) and seeing that reappear so quickly, the Pandavas were filled with joy, and the Kauravas with wonder.

The Pandava were the ones attacked by the "nuclear" weapon, that destroyed "a full Akshauhini", which is, apparently, composed of 218,700 warriors (plus the charioteers). The Pandava army was composed of 7 Akshauhini and the other side, the Kaurava, was composed of 11 Akshauhini. That means that the weapon destroyed 1/7 of the army and left those two (that were, apparently, special) uninjured.

It's poetic phrasing and it's also less-advanced people recounting stories of more-advanced culture from thousands of years ago.

That's your preconceived idea about it.

Hmm, well it describes a shining-car full of warriors, floating in space, and you think of it as a horse-drawn carriage.

No, it says that Kesava and Arjuna we left uninjured along with their respective cars "on the field", it doesn't say a thing about "floating in space" or that the cars were "full of warriors", each car had only one warrior and one charioteer. They also mention "their steeds", so they are talking about horse-drawn cars.

PS: some of the information above was taken from WIkipedia, as I haven't read the whole book.

a reply to: ArMaP

Alright well here is again your quote about the two warriors who escaped the destruction, they are "like the sun and the moon in the firmament," that means they are floating in the sky "firmament."

Then those two heroic and mighty bowmen, viz., Kesava and Arjuna, freed from that darkness, were seen together, like the sun and the moon in the firmament. Indeed, the wielder of Gandiva and Kesava were both unwounded. Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

"Shone resplendent on the field" = the car shining down onto the field, from the sky, apparently.



And once we're acknowledging space cars and nuclear weapons, I think "steeds" should be the least of our concerns of how to interpret it as something other than a literal horse.

To go with the theme of the space car, the "steeds" could be mechanical horses, maybe. Which would at least explain how they were floating in space with the space-car.

It's also not really the craziest idea either, I mean in the 1980's... He-Man rode on a mechanical horse... lol.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Alright well here is again your quote about the two warriors who escaped the destruction, they are "like the sun and the moon in the firmament," that means they are floating in the sky "firmament."

No, that's your biased interpretation.
On the book I read, the Drona Parva, all references to the Sun and the Moon are made to compare their brightness or colour with something else, like in "Bring me also, with speed, an excellent car decked with garlands of gold, adorned gems, bright as the sun or the moon" or "Heads also, beautiful, O king, as the morning sun or the lotus or the moon, cut off by Arjuna with his arrows, dropped down on the ground."

"Shone resplendent on the field" = the car shining down onto the field, from the sky, apparently.

On the field, not onto the field.

And once we're acknowledging space cars and nuclear weapons, I think "steeds" should be the least of our concerns of how to interpret it as something other than a literal horse.

I see no reason to acknowledge "space cars" instead of horse-drawn cars or "nuclear weapons" that do not act like nuclear weapons, so I don't see any reason to assume they meant something else besides horses when they talk of the (known) horse-drawn war cars they used.

It's also not really the craziest idea either, I mean in the 1980's... He-Man rode on a mechanical horse... lol.

It is when connected to an old text that talks about horses as real horses.
He-Man isn't real, I suppose you know that, right.

a reply to: ArMaP

No, that's your biased interpretation.
On the book I read, the Drona Parva, all references to the Sun and the Moon are made to compare their brightness or colour with something else, like in "Bring me also, with speed, an excellent car decked with garlands of gold, adorned gems, bright as the sun or the moon" or "Heads also, beautiful, O king, as the morning sun or the lotus or the moon, cut off by Arjuna with his arrows, dropped down on the ground."

Well OK, that is another possibility: That the references to the sun & moon in the firmament, are just meaningless empty phrases for no reason.

On the field, not onto the field.

I think "on" and "onto" are interchangeable words, but OK I get it, you think it's just on object that's on the field.

I see no reason to acknowledge "space cars" instead of horse-drawn cars

^Because it said the cars were "like the sun and the moon in the firmament," seemingly floating in the sky, but OK you've said it's an empty expression apparently.

"nuclear weapons" that do not act like nuclear weapons

Your quote sounds EXACTLY like nuclear weapons.

If your issue is the following section that they cleared-away the destruction aftermath, that's not necessarily even related to the previous weapons in the previous section.

Maybe the clearing-away is a completely different thing.

It is when connected to an old text that talks about horses as real horses.

Real horses... and empty expressions of the flying-horses and flying-cars shining in the sky firmament... but we'll ignore that as an empty expression... so OK, I guess those flying cars and steeds are not flying. Ok, they're natural horses.




But then I'm still wondering why you think it's NOT describing nuclear weapons though? Because it sounds exactly like nuclear bombs, doesn't it?

And if you think the clearing-away section somehow proves that it's not nuclear bombs, well it doesn't, because they are 2 different sections, from what I understand.

So you've quoted flying cars that are not flying, and nuclear destruction explained very accurately, and then a subsequent clearing-out of the destruction.

And it's the clearing-away of the nuclear fall-out, which you find as contradicting the previous nuclear destruction?

He-Man isn't real, I suppose you know that, right.

He-Man is a manifestation of general ideas and themes of imagination, which are shared (or traced-back) with the exact same things in the Vedas.

I'd expect: Every single thing in He-Man, could be found an exact equivalent in the Vedas:

Robots / mech. horses; flying cars / spacecraft; different species of people & aliens; plus the spirit realm too; psychic communication; different dimensions & different planets; advanced weapons; etc.


He-Man even has a guy with an elephant head (like that Hindu god / species of aliens), and various snake-people (like the Hindu gods / aliens), etc.

He-Man is an amalgamation of ancient ideas and it seems clear some direct inspiration from ancient Hindu mythology / cosmology. I'm glad I grew up with it.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Well OK, that is another possibility: That the references to the sun & moon in the firmament, are just meaningless empty phrases for no reason.

Like the "lion among men" and other similar expressions.

I think "on" and "onto" are interchangeable words, but OK I get it, you think it's just on object that's on the field.

Look at the whole sentence:

Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

The car was shining on the field, it wasn't shining a light onto the field.

Your quote sounds EXACTLY like nuclear weapons.

If your issue is the following section that they cleared-away the destruction aftermath, that's not necessarily even related to the previous weapons in the previous section.

It's not really that, it's the fact that it only affected 1/7 of the enemy army and that two warriors were left uninjured in the middle of the explosion.

Maybe the clearing-away is a completely different thing.

The clearing-away was done by another weapon.

Real horses... and empty expressions of the flying-horses and flying-cars shining in the sky firmament... but we'll ignore that as an empty expression... so OK, I guess those flying cars and steeds are not flying. Ok, they're natural horses.

Sure I ignore your idea of flying horses. In the 75 A4 pages I read there wasn't one reference to flying horses or flying cars.

So you've quoted flying cars that are not flying, and nuclear destruction explained very accurately, and then a subsequent clearing-out of the destruction.

No, I quoted cars that y interpreted as flying.

And it's the clearing-away of the nuclear fall-out, which you find as contradicting the previous nuclear destruction?

See above.

He-Man is a manifestation of general ideas and themes of imagination, which are shared (or traced-back) with the exact same things in the Vedas.

I'd expect: Every single thing in He-Man, could be found an exact equivalent in the Vedas:

Robots / mech. horses; flying cars / spacecraft; different species of people & aliens; plus the spirit realm too; psychic communication; different dimensions & different planets; advanced weapons; etc.


He-Man even has a guy with an elephant head (like that Hindu god / species of aliens), and various snake-people (like the Hindu gods / aliens), etc.

He-Man is an amalgamation of ancient ideas and it seems clear some direct inspiration from ancient Hindu mythology / cosmology. I'm glad I grew up with it.

Maybe the Vedas are also "a manifestation of general ideas and themes of imagination" and shouldn't be taken as being an absolute truth.

Edited to add that the description of the supposed explosion doesn't mention one of the most famous characteristics of all big explosions, the resulting mushroom cloud, or the extremely intense light of a nuclear explosion.

a reply to: ArMaP

Like the "lion among men" and other similar expressions.

Well OK.

Look at the whole sentence:

Equipped with its banners and standards and steeds, with the Anukarsa unjoined; and with all the mighty weapons stored on it remaining uninjured, that car, so terrible to thy warriors, freed from that darkness, shone resplendent on the field.

The car was shining on the field, it wasn't shining a light onto the field.

^I think that you think that there's a distinction, that there's really not, between "shining on" and "shining onto," but whatever, I understand that you think they were normal cars.

It's not really that, it's the fact that it only affected 1/7 of the enemy army and that two warriors were left uninjured in the middle of the explosion.

^So THAT is your main debunk of the interpretation that it was: Nuclear weapons (or some other advanced weapons).



Talk about preconceived notions, and preconceived interpretations!

You're judging the characteristics of ancient weapons and tech as fictional... which is absurd. You don't know what their tech was, to be able to judge it!!

The clearing-away was done by another weapon.

Right, it's a totally separate event, apparently. That's what I was saying...

Sure I ignore your idea of flying horses. In the 75 A4 pages I read there wasn't one reference to flying horses or flying cars.

No, I quoted cars that y interpreted as flying.

Well you know your own quote sounds like flying cars shining in the firmament, like the sun and moon. If you want to say it's an empty expression then fine, but you know your own quotes sound like flying cars, at 1st glance.

Maybe the Vedas are also "a manifestation of general ideas and themes of imagination" and shouldn't be taken as being an absolute truth.

^Except the Vedas are presented as historical truth.


That's the fundamental difference with fictional media like He-Man or Conan the Barbarian, it's fiction that's presented as fiction, even if it references real life in some ways (such as both fictional universes actually seeming to directly draw from the Vedas actually, as Conan was likewise fighting snake-men in ancient ruins, just like He-Man).

Just an interjection,

I am not knowledgeable in this OP.

The "Rods of God" is a good read in the circumstances.

"The rod itself would penetrate hundreds of feet into the Earth, destroying any potential hardened bunkers or secret underground sites. More than that, when the rod hits, the explosion would be on par with the magnitude of a ground-penetrating nuclear weapon – but with no fallout."

The “rods from God” idea was a bundle of telephone-pole sized (20 feet long, one foot in diameter) tungsten rods, dropped from orbit, reaching a speed of up to ten times the speed of sound.

No radiation.

Kind regards,

Bally

a reply to: bally001

And then there’s this (if not already mentioned in this thread)

…..”GBU-43/B MOAB…..known as the "Mother of All Bombs

Description
The GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast is a large-yield bomb, developed for the United States military by Albert L. Weimorts, Jr. of the Air Force Research Laboratory. It was first tested in 2003. At the time of development, it was said to be the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the American arsenal.”……

…..” The MOAB is not a penetrator weapon and is primarily an air burst bomb intended for soft to medium surface targets covering extended areas and targets in a contained environment such as a deep canyon or within a cave system.”…..

……”The MOAB is the most powerful conventional bomb ever used in combat as measured by the weight of its explosive material.[27][28] The explosive yield is comparable to that of the smallest tactical nuclear weapons, such as the Cold War-era American M-388 projectile fired by the portable Davy Crockett recoilless gun. The M-388, a W54 nuclear warhead variant, weighed less than 60 pounds (27 kg). At the projectile's lowest yield setting of 10 tons, roughly equivalent to a single MOAB, its explosive force was only 1/144,000th (0.0007%) that of the Air Force's 1.44-megaton W49 warhead, a nuclear weapon commonly found on American ICBMs from the early 1960s.”…..


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originally posted by: JamesChessman
^I think that you think that there's a distinction, that there's really not, between "shining on" and "shining onto," but whatever, I understand that you think they were normal cars.

Maybe there isn't, English is just a second language to me, and I learned it by myself, so I never learned the theory behind it.
To me, "a car shining on a filed" sounds the same as "a car on a field, shining", while "a car shining onto a field" as the same as "a car shining a light onto a field".

^So THAT is your main debunk of the interpretation that it was: Nuclear weapons (or some other advanced weapons).

Regarding that part of the text and regarding nuclear weapons, I never commented about "some other advanced weapons".

You're judging the characteristics of ancient weapons and tech as fictional... which is absurd. You don't know what their tech was, to be able to judge it!!

Seeing they had just left the bronze age and there aren't any real signs of more advanced technology being available to them, I'm not starting from a point of view that they had it.

Well you know your own quote sounds like flying cars shining in the firmament, like the sun and moon. If you want to say it's an empty expression then fine, but you know your own quotes sound like flying cars, at 1st glance.

Maybe you need a second glance.

The text is freely available for you to read.

^Except the Vedas are presented as historical truth.

All religious texts are presented as historical truth, and most are incompatible with each other, which means that either some are real historical truths and the others are fantasy or that all are fantasy.

a reply to: JamesChessman

Regarding "other advanced weapons", I think the text is more like a missile attack (with several relatively small missiles) than one big explosion.

a reply to: bally001

I thought of that too, mostly because of that part that says:

Aiming at all his visible and invisible foes, the preceptor's son, that slayer of hostile heroes, inspired with mantras a blazing shaft possessed of the effulgence of a smokeless fire, and let it off on all sides, filled with rage.

a reply to: ArMaP

Maybe there isn't, English is just a second language to me, and I learned it by myself, so I never learned the theory behind it.
To me, "a car shining on a filed" sounds the same as "a car on a field, shining", while "a car shining onto a field" as the same as "a car shining a light onto a field".

^I think it's just basically unclear phrasing, and it's not necessarily saying where the car is.



The expression about shining in the firmament, that first had me interpreting it as flying objects. But then you said it's just an expression, and well OK, then it could just be a normal car.

It could be the car is shining (while it's sitting) on the field. Or that it could be shining onto the field (from a different location). I don't think it says exactly, either way.

Regarding that part of the text and regarding nuclear weapons, I never commented about "some other advanced weapons".

Right, well I think there was a nuclear weapon component of the ancient destruction, but I also think we need to be open-minded that we might not know exactly HOW the ancient weapons worked, so we can't know exactly what evidence to expect.

We have some understanding of modern nuclear weapons, but the ancient ones might not have worked exactly the same as ours!

Plus they probably had other separate weapons that we don't even understand yet.

So I think it was a mix of nukes plus other more exotic weapons that we don't understand.

For example, I mentioned this earlier but I didn't post pics yet: The scar on Mars is presumably part of the same world-ending destruction, described in the Vedas. Because I think Mars was alive and full of civilization at that point in time, and it MIGHT have even been the MAIN target, seeing as how Mars was "killed" / destroyed even worse than Earth was (which managed to remain a "living" planet).

Anyway the Mars impact scar looks clear that it was zapped with an electrical charge, from the world-destroying impact.

My point being that the weaponry was nukes but also exotic electric blasts, as seen here, plus other weaponry that we've probably never imagined.

Certainly Mars shows that it was blasted with some kind of electric blast weapon, that we don't really have a modern equivalent of:

originally posted by: JamesChessman
We have some understanding of modern nuclear weapons, but the ancient ones might not have worked exactly the same as ours!

Unless there's some as yet unknown method of creating an explosion from nuclear reactions, weapons work by splitting atoms or by fusing them together, and for any of those methods the rules are, as far as I understand it, well known.

Plus they probably had other separate weapons that we don't even understand yet.

All their highly destructive weapons came from their gods, and they usually needed to say some Mantras to activate them.

For example, I mentioned this earlier but I didn't post pics yet: The scar on Mars is presumably part of the same world-ending destruction, described in the Vedas.

What world-ending destruction?

Because I think Mars was alive and full of civilization at that point in time, and it MIGHT have even been the MAIN target, seeing as how Mars was "killed" / destroyed even worse than Earth was (which managed to remain a "living" planet).

Not very likely, as Mars has not enough gravity to have an atmosphere strong enough to allow the development of advanced animals that would be able to reach a civilization status.

Anyway the Mars impact scar looks clear that it was zapped with an electrical charge, from the world-destroying impact.

Another thing in which we disagree.

Certainly Mars shows that it was blasted with some kind of electric blast weapon, that we don't really have a modern equivalent of:

An electric discharge melts the target, something we do not see on Mars (or other supposed electric discharge effects on other celestial bodies).

a reply to: ArMaP

An electric discharge melts the target, something we do not see on Mars (or other supposed electric discharge effects on other celestial bodies).

Well it's the shape of Mars' scar which I thought was the obvious shape of an electric blast...

a reply to: JamesChessman

Yes, it does look a little like an electric discharge on an insolating material, if we ignore that a discharge capable of carving the material would also melt the edges.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: JamesChessman

Yes, it does look a little like an electric discharge on an insolating material, if we ignore that a discharge capable of carving the material would also melt the edges.

Not to just argue or repeat back your same phrases, but really, that's literally your preconceived notion... about how it would look.

Even if you were 100% correct about how it would look, at the time of impact, even then, there's countless time passed over it, and different weather processes etc. blown over it, that we can't predict. For example, thousands of years of sand blown over Mars' scar, because Mars DOES have storms and wind blowing sand around. I can imagine it's more than enough excuse to smooth-out jagged shapes and cover everything with a soft blanket of sand. And cover up the melting signs that you think should be there. Maybe they ARE there, but covered with thousands yrs sand.

Also I think such evidence indicates a mix of different weapon types, used at the same time, in the ancient cataclysm.

So we see seemingly clear shapes of electric impact on Mars, while it might have also been a physical impact maybe.





Our moon is likewise scarred from the ancient cataclysm. It turns out that only the Earth face is full of giant craters, which probably means that our familiar moon face is showing impact scars from that apocalypse event.




So I don't think we can pin down exactly what weapons were used, probably mainly because it was so much MORE advanced than our modern day tech.

For example. Mars being zapped by a giant electrical blast, or giant laser beam, is only familiar to us in science fiction, like Star Wars etc.

And then we see physical impact sites like the moon and Earth... with whatever suggestions of nuclear tech, too. I think they were mixing everything together. Electrical attack, nuclear attack, physical attack.






...Also re: the famous mushroom cloud: I'm not an expert on nukes but I do know that some particular types of nuclear weapons simply don't have the famous mushroom cloud.

If I recall correctly, there are nukes that explode in the air, then raining poison down, but there's no mushroom cloud (IIRC). Plus whatever other ways to do it, so it's not a way to judge the Vedas, if they describe a mush. cloud or not.