Bullet Proof school desks

I'm sure lots you already had this idea a long time ago, but I thought it was annoyingly brilliant. Annoying and brilliant because it's so bloody obvious and I hadn't thought of it myself lol (still kicking self)

It should never have to be the case, but it is desperately needed.

Now let's hurry tf up and get them in there ASAP.

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212 mass shootings this year The Gun Violence Archive, an independent data collection organization, has counted 212 mass shootings that have occurred so far this year, as of Tuesday. It defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people were shot or killed, excluding the shooter. Data on the mass shootings that have occurred so far this year can be found here. The United States ended 2021 with 693 mass shootings, according to the Gun Violence Archive. The previous year saw 611. And 2019 had 417.

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OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE NEED TO UP THEIR GAME!

What would happen to all the old desks? Its an environment emergency cant just dump them in the ocean or donate them to prisons anymore?

a reply to: Albert999

How many shootings have there really been in schools? Of those, how many were in classrooms?

What about the hallways, lunchrooms, playgrounds? Are the students to carry around their desks all day in case they get shot at going to the restroom?

The school itself needs to be safe. If rules were followed, there would have been several less shootings. One recently in particular.

The biggest problem with schools is the advertising as gun free zones. It doesn't work. When someone does start shooting, they know they are not going to get shot back at for a while.

I am not saying arm all the teachers, just a couple of well trained people at each school. Then review and follow existing rules about locking doors. That would make schools much safer then they are now.

That being said, school shootings are very rare considering the number of incidents and the number of schools. Tragic but very rare.

I don't see these tables saving anymore than they are endangering from crush hazard. Are the fourth or lower graders going to clear off the tables of heavy items before activating them? How will they do that in a panic? Even with regular table legs, they would be heavy to tip over but safer than as demonstrated in that video.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: Albert999

How many shootings have there really been in schools? Of those, how many were in classrooms?

What about the hallways, lunchrooms, playgrounds? Are the students to carry around their desks all day in case they get shot at going to the restroom?

The school itself needs to be safe. If rules were followed, there would have been several less shootings. One recently in particular.

The biggest problem with schools is the advertising as gun free zones. It doesn't work. When someone does start shooting, they know they are not going to get shot back at for a while.

I am not saying arm all the teachers, just a couple of well trained people at each school. Then review and follow existing rules about locking doors. That would make schools much safer then they are now.

That being said, school shootings are very rare considering the number of incidents and the number of schools. Tragic but very rare.

I don't see these tables saving anymore than they are endangering from crush hazard. Are the fourth or lower graders going to clear off the tables of heavy items before activating them? How will they do that in a panic? Even with regular table legs, they would be heavy to tip over but safer than as demonstrated in that video.

Well that's pi55ed on my little fire hasn't it lol

Very good points, me thinks I was a bit too focused on classrooms and not the big picture.

I wouldn't say school shootings in America are rare though?

a reply to: Albert999

According to the internet, there is an average of just under 40 school shootings each year. That includes all shootings at all schools in the USA. As of 2018, there were
130,930 schools in the USA. That is kindergarten through 12 th grade.

To make it easier, 131,000 schools decided by 40 incidents per year. That is 1 in 3275 likely hood of any single school having an incident. That is 0.0003% chance of a shooting incident at any single school in a year. And this number includes even shooting incidents where no one is hit
, where the incident is just near a school and even when no one is attending the school at the time.

Again, while tragic and should mostly be avoidable as I have described above., it is very rare

a reply to: Albert999

Why dont we just educate all of our children on a military base
and that way they cant be attacked by lunatics with guns
those high electric fences , guard dogs, guy at the fence with a 50cal
armed guards on patrol

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Albert999

Why dont we just educate all of our children on a military base
and that way they cant be attacked by lunatics with guns
those high electric fences , guard dogs, guy at the fence with a 50cal
armed guards on patrol

But military bases are also gun free zones. Only guards and those activally training are allowed to have guns.

Again, this advertises the fact that a nut can shoot for minutes without anyone shooting back.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Albert999

Why dont we just educate all of our children on a military base
and that way they cant be attacked by lunatics with guns
those high electric fences , guard dogs, guy at the fence with a 50cal
armed guards on patrol

Yes that's sounds good, also teach all the kids First Aid. Imagine if all kids knew basic first aid across the country. Even outside of school shootings etc there could be so many lives saved in the general public too.

I guess law suits would stop that idea though 😒

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: Albert999

According to the internet, there is an average of just under 40 school shootings each year. That includes all shootings at all schools in the USA. As of 2018, there were
130,930 schools in the USA. That is kindergarten through 12 th grade.

To make it easier, 131,000 schools decided by 40 incidents per year. That is 1 in 3275 likely hood of any single school having an incident. That is 0.0003% chance of a shooting incident at any single school in a year. And this number includes even shooting incidents where no one is hit
, where the incident is just near a school and even when no one is attending the school at the time.

Again, while tragic and should mostly be avoidable as I have described above., it is very rare

Can you stop ruining my $hit please? 😆

Good post, thanks for the info. 40 is still too many though, gimme that at least lol 👍🏻

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Albert999

Why dont we just educate all of our children on a military base
and that way they cant be attacked by lunatics with guns
those high electric fences , guard dogs, guy at the fence with a 50cal
armed guards on patrol

From Wiki:

On November 5, 2009, a mass shooting took place at Fort Hood, near Killeen, Texas.[1] Nidal Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others.[2][3] It was the deadliest mass shooting on an American military base.[4]

The FBI criteria for mass shooting is:
Occur in a single location that is considered a public place
Take the lives of at least three people (the perpetrator’s own life not included)
Be carried out by a lone shooter (except in rare cases)

Two people were fatally shot and 4 others were injured at the Boise Towne Square mall in October 2021. It was the first mass shooting in the history of the state, which happens to be open carry. Idaho was the fastest growing state in 2021, with over 1 million people from Washington, Oregon and I California making up the largest migrants. The Boise area has become quite liberal, with a large portion of anti-gun citizens. Protests were rare until the last couple of years.


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a reply to: Albert999

What's next, send your weans to school in Kevlar body armor from head to toe? LoL

Take the guns out of the hands of the lunatics and crackpots, problem alleviated.

a reply to: nugget1


well if we cant prevent mass shootings on a military base then we are #ed right ?

a reply to: andy06shake

I think comedian michael leher said it best

"the only question on a gun application should be - do you have any #s left to give?"

a reply to: sapien82

a reply to: Albert999

Yes that's sounds good, also teach all the kids First Aid. Imagine if all kids knew basic first aid across the country. Even outside of school shootings etc there could be so many lives saved in the general public too.

Damn, I hate to rain on your parade again... but we're talking about kids as young as 5 or 6. I don't think they would have the ability to apply first aid in a shooting scenario... most would be busy messing themselves (for good cause).

How about we let school employees who want to and are legally able to, carry a handgun? Special, free training provided by the SRO and monthly meetings to train afterwards. Take those damn "Gun-Free Zone" "Criminal Target Practice Zone" signs down and burn them! That's how you stop a gunman from using his gun: shoot him with yours. No gunman has ever, to my knowledge, been stopped by someone throwing sharpened pencils at him.

Add in a little actual security at the entrance/exit, and you stop school shootings.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Albert999

The old desks at the school I work at cost around $500.00 each. I know, crazy. Maybe they could make a modification somehow? Kids are so destructive I don't know how that could work. The thing is, when the shooter is in a class room, they simply walk over to the children and shoot them individually, it isn't a 'stand and spray bullets' scenario from what I understand.

There are approximately 49 million children in the public education system. Understanding that any individual protection items will most likely cost a pretty penny, one is looking at a LOT of money. Are our children worth it? Of course they are. But it seems there would be a logical and frugal way of stopping our children from a crazy persons bullets.

I think if schools were better trained and equipped to stop individuals from entering the schools in the first place like a special entrance with scanning and detection techniques. Many, in fact most of the shooters didn't even attend the schools they attacked. How did they get in? Why were they let in? One of the schools in my town has a whole entry room where a person sets on the other side of a glass wall and buzzes people through a door. People could walk through a metal detector or a scanner in a room like this. It doesn't matter if they are a parent or whatever.

Student and faculty could be given ID cards that must be scanned to obtain entry into each building. There could be multiple points of entry for larger schools.

Timely? Yes
Inconvenient? Yes

But many schools are set up for this type of scenario. They just haven't maximized it.

For shootings from children who actually attend the school, it seems almost everyone of them put out some signals of warning that were ignored. If a student has thrown out some of these signals, maybe they should be equipped with extra security device options in order to be granted a secure entry into the school. EACH AND EVERY TIME.

I am just trying to throw some ideas out there. It is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Most teachers have no mind set for self defense and they have no situational awareness either. Even the set up of their class room can help, without the need for bullet proof desks. Curtains over windows, having people at entrances at certain times, teachers entering and leaving the building in pairs could help, regular in class drills outside of any other mandatory drills would be great. I blame normalcy bias, but defensive awareness isn't something they include in their daily at school.

I know because I asked a number of teachers, I may bring this issue up with the principal when I go back to work this fall.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

maybe we teach our kids in shaolin monasteries and have armed guards at the entrances

have them do their academics and sports , and meditation and martial arts

at least those teachers would defend them or try.

Is that what it will come to , our kids surrounded as if in prisons to learn , just to stay safe from all the nutjobs out there with access to weapons
military presence their entire lives.

a reply to: Albert999
As I've said before, none of this is going to work. Not lockdowns, armed teachers, bullet proof desks or anything else. If a person is determined enough, all they have to do is call in a bomb threat and wait until they start evacuating the school.

The Uvalde shooter walked through an open door, basic security measures.