BBC Reporter To MSNBC U.S. Should Just Ban All Guns

originally posted by: shooterbrody
News flash
No one cares what non citizens think about our laws.

Especially from the UK.
It was our citizens rising up against gun control from your king that ignited the revolutionary war.
You people have been on the wrong side of gun control since 1770.

Exactly.

www.battlefields.org...

In this first battle of the American Revolution, Massachusetts colonists defied British authority, outnumbered and outfought the Redcoats, and embarked on a lengthy war to earn their independence.

HOW IT ENDED

American victory. The British marched into Lexington and Concord intending to suppress the possibility of rebellion by seizing weapons from the colonists. Instead, their actions sparked the first battle of the Revolutionary War.The colonists’ intricate alarm system summoned local militia companies, enabling them to successfully counter the British threat.

a reply to: infolurker

Over 250 years ago.

Relevance today?

a reply to: Ahabstar

I think the roots of WWII go back a little further than 1929 and are a little more complicated and complex than just that.

UK Shooting & Firearm Ownership Explained.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: infolurker

Over 250 years ago.

Relevance today?

Gun confiscation doesn't go over well in the US.

The way data and statistics are collected makes a huge difference.

Homicide stats for the United Kingdom have traditionally come from reports from the Home Office, which tallies murders according to a completely different system. The crucial methodological difference is that a murder’s existential status depends on a conviction, not a body and evidence of foul play. Think of how many murders go unsolved, and it will become clear that the Home Office’s numbers are woefully low. Not only that, but they are reported from the time of conviction, not the time of death. Since murder cases often take years to be resolved, statistics for a given year tend to reflect events actually occurring in previous years. For example, Home Office figures appear to indicate a massive spike in murders culminating in 2003; in actuality, this is the year in which the victims of prolific serial killer Harold Shipman—who murdered throughout his long career—were reported.

[www.americas1stfreedom.org...]

Guns or no guns, the murders and homicides don't seem to be dropping.

U.K. murder/homicide rate for 2018 was 1.20, a 0.12% increase from 2017.
U.K. murder/homicide rate for 2017 was 1.20, a 0.86% increase from 2016.
U.K. murder/homicide rate for 2016 was 1.19, a 20.52% increase from 2015.
U.K. murder/homicide rate for 2015 was 0.99, a 9.96% increase from 2014.

[www.macrotrends.net...]

Liberal plans for gun control equates to: Drunk drivers kill sober drivers, so all law-abiding sober drivers should be banned from driving.

a reply to: vNex92

It is puzzling why 'School Shootings' are rare in Europe, and pretty much unheard of in Continental Europe, but appear to be a regular event in the USA.

Maybe it's the media, the education system, or maybe it's the Constitutional right to shoot first and plead the 5th Amendment later.

Whatever, nearly half of all guns in Civilian ownership are in the USA, and the USA has at least 3 times as many guns per head than in Europe.

So there maybe a reasonable chance of 'cause and effect' here - so I'm with the BBC reporter on this one.

Come get em.

a reply to: Doxanoxa

so I'm with the BBC reporter on this one.

And she has also lived in The U.S. since 1996.

a reply to: vNex92

do you know what it did solve, we have not had a school shooting* since then, you must be a proper mug (cockney term) if you think the public thought banning guns would stop all crime, i mean its not a fairy tale we live in its real life, nobody in the UK ever thought the banning of certain firearms would mean zero crime.

The last school shooting* in the UK was Dunblane massacre 1996 thats 26 years (not 26 days)

We all know crime will never stop, banning high powered rifles and semi automatics, does not equal end of crime as not all crime involves firearms and never did, but it sure as hell makes mass killings a lot harder

knife crime is more prevelant in the UK than gun crime, we all no that, but lets not forget knife crime also exists in the USA (1739 killed in 2020). Humans will always inflict harm on other humans, if you guys want to keep your guns good for you, I am happy for you even, so perhaps you could reciprocate some happiness our way and celebrate the 26 years since a school boy/girl was gunned down in a mass shooting.

*before I am called a liar, we have had 2 other mass shootings since 1996 but neither was at a school Cumbria shootings + Plymouth shooting

The total innocent victims in these 3 mass incidents totals 34

a reply to: everyone

how banning guns dont solve a thing yet they preach to the U.S while a record high of murders by knifes occur there.

Those preaching to ban weapons likely live in high end communities where they protected by private security.

originally posted by: Doxanoxa
a reply to: vNex92

It is puzzling why 'School Shootings' are rare in Europe, and pretty much unheard of in Continental Europe, but appear to be a regular event in the USA.

Maybe it's the media, the education system, or maybe it's the Constitutional right to shoot first and plead the 5th Amendment later.

Whatever, nearly half of all guns in Civilian ownership are in the USA, and the USA has at least 3 times as many guns per head than in Europe.

So there maybe a reasonable chance of 'cause and effect' here - so I'm with the BBC reporter on this one.

Serbia has alot of weapons/gun owners and yet very few gun shootings unlike in the US.
Maybe these gun shootings is due because of school habits? bullying? social status?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: infolurker

Over 250 years ago.

Relevance today?

That is exactly you lots problem.
FREEDOM is always relevant.
Sorry you lot still after 250 years do not understand that.

TLB

a reply to: Doxanoxa

Looking at Wikipedia and how they have things laid out, it seems to have been, for the most part, an "I have a personal issue with this single person" situation up until 1966, when we have the University of Texas shooting. After that point, we wait until Columbine in 1999, when we have another mass shooting in a school. It picks up steam in the 2000s with Red Lake and Virginia Tech, then goes practically vertical in the 2010s.

So I wonder what's changed between then and now because for a long stretch there, fully automatic weapons were legal to own. Was it perhaps the shooters didn't get their 15 minutes of fame? I honestly don't know the answers to this one; I do know that guns have been around as long as schools here in the US with only minor issues. I legitimately do not believe it is the guns or access to them that's caused this phenomenon; there are a myriad of other factors that could be at play here.

a reply to: Freeborn

Got to write for the audience. And from a certain point a of view that this gun started two world wars is technically true. But is also more complicated than just that.

a reply to: shooterbrody

You lot?
Ha ha ha.

We're just as 'free' as you are mate....except its very much harder for dissociated, alienated, screw ball lunatics full of Prozac/Valium/Ritalin etc to get their hands on guns and go shoot up a school full of kids.

You harp on about events 250 years ago, what have YOU ever done about anything?
I still hear about your 'stolen' election.....what did you and your guns do about that?

I've never advocated anyone getting rid of all your guns - that would be madness - but what you have at present is broken and isn't working.

When anyone points this out they are met with a non-stop barrage of 'you'll take my guns over my dead body', 'you aren't as free as us', 'we kicked your ass in 17 whatever it was', 'you've got bad teeth', blah blah blah.
Its no longer bewildering, its truly comical.
You could at least try to be less predictable and a bit original and creative with your insults.

I like you guys....but if you aren't up for a serious, respectful and even at times humorous exchange of views what is the point of coming to this site?

a reply to: Ahabstar

I've got to be honest mate....I know absolutely nothing about guns.
When I do get around to visiting your great country I'm certainly going to visit a range and shoot some of those things.....but I have no desire - or need - to carry one around with me all the time.

a reply to: Freeborn
Taking liberties from free people is vile.
You lot suggesting such isn’t surprising.
Hell you lot just had a party for a queen.

2022 who still has monarchs?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: vNex92

crime in UK after they Banned all Guns hasn't stopped happening among criminals.

Crime has always been around. Even before the invention of firearms.

exactly. Bad people do bad things, and they will use whatever they can find to do it with.

a reply to: Freeborn

There is more emphasis on individual 'freedom' in the USA than in the UK and the European mainland.

It is true that such has become more bounded in the last couple of decades. 9-11/Patriot Act went far to erode individual freedoms.

You likely won't believe me by reading this. It is something one has to experience by living in both environments.

I'll provide one example. Not sure if it is valid in the UK, but it certainly is on the continent: registration with authorities that identifies where one lives. There are offices in European bureaucracy that are responsible for that kind of data collection.

Now, that kind of data gets collected in the USA, but there is no central function to track it. One can move here and there and not necessarily have the moves noticed by authority. In practice, much data does get collected at local level if one obtains a driver's license; or, at federal level, if one pays income taxes. The point, though, is there is a different outlook in the USA that still at times works to the advantage of the individual. From what I've seen in Europe, they have a much tighter system for tracking where people are located.

Cheers