Muslim call to prayer arrives to Minneapolis soundscape

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

No religious symbol on government property. You are the one specifying Christianity.

There is a thread on ATS discussing Islam taught in history class -- no different than teaching the history of Missions. When a belief is integral to history it is taught in history classes. I would say this also applies to multi-cultural studies.

Anyone can pray in school -- no matter their belief. It can't be lead or organized by the school or employee of the school.

a reply to: Mikemp44

What always killed me about people's fear of Islam is that A) They do not know the true teachings of 'traditional' Islam are COMPLETELY non-violent (The extreme Imams are to blame for extremism in their interpretations) and B)

This is for Annee as well
What will you say if there are cases of Shariah Law upheld in our courts ?
www.npr.org...
This is for Annee too, as there have been actual cases. One wonders why Annee proposes that it is Unconstitutional to our Ten Commandments as a public display but nominally does not oppose the broadcasting of Islamic prayer over the public airwaves, and I wonder if Annee also thinks its great for Shariah law to be observed in the courts.
Also I just found this... www.freedomforuminstitute.org...
Perhaps the Establishment Clause is not so cut and dried www2.ed.gov...
www.salina.com...
aclj.org...

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

From your own source:

He says when there's a conflict, U.S. law always wins.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

No religious symbol on government property. You are the one specifying Christianity.

There is a thread on ATS discussing Islam taught in history class -- no different than teaching the history of Missions. When a belief is integral to history it is taught in history classes. I would say this also applies to multi-cultural studies.

Anyone can pray in school -- no matter their belief. It can't be lead or organized by the school or employee of the school.

Then there is this ... www.pbs.org...
Also Annee you stipulated “government property” not public places.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

No religious symbol on government property. You are the one specifying Christianity.

There is a thread on ATS discussing Islam taught in history class -- no different than teaching the history of Missions. When a belief is integral to history it is taught in history classes. I would say this also applies to multi-cultural studies.

Anyone can pray in school -- no matter their belief. It can't be lead or organized by the school or employee of the school.

Then there is this ... www.pbs.org...

I'm just gonna say secularism of our government is an ongoing battle.

Who's Afraid Of Secularism? The U.S. Constitution Mandates That Our Government Be Officially Non-Religious. To Christian Nationalists, That's A Problem

“The whole idea of a democracy is that we’re all equal citizens, we’re politically equal and legally equal and we govern by consent. We can only give that consent if we all have an equal standing. Secularism ensures that we have equal standing in the public realm and the political realm regardless of our faith or lack thereof. That’s a deeply American value.” — Phil Zuckerman, professor of sociology and secular studies, Pitzer College

www.au.org...#

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

Shariah law

Religious groups in America have had their own set of laws since the beginning.

Sharia law is no different. It only applies to those who follow it.

. . . Sharia law is, effectively, of no force and effect in the United States because it is not a legally enacted body of law. Just as Jewish and Christian traditions might provide a basis for morality to its followers, but one could not cite to the Torah or Bible, so too is Islam and Sharia. Nevertheless, some have become so fearful of the influence of Islam that this wave of anti-Sharia law has taken hold. Suggesting that banning Sharia law is the only way to prohibit the stoning of adulterous women in the streets of America is ludicrous.

www.hg.org...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

No religious symbol on government property. You are the one specifying Christianity.

There is a thread on ATS discussing Islam taught in history class -- no different than teaching the history of Missions. When a belief is integral to history it is taught in history classes. I would say this also applies to multi-cultural studies.

Anyone can pray in school -- no matter their belief. It can't be lead or organized by the school or employee of the school.

Then there is this ... www.pbs.org...

I'm just gonna say secularism of our government is an ongoing battle.

Who's Afraid Of Secularism? The U.S. Constitution Mandates That Our Government Be Officially Non-Religious. To Christian Nationalists, That's A Problem

“The whole idea of a democracy is that we’re all equal citizens, we’re politically equal and legally equal and we govern by consent. We can only give that consent if we all have an equal standing. Secularism ensures that we have equal standing in the public realm and the political realm regardless of our faith or lack thereof. That’s a deeply American value.” — Phil Zuckerman, professor of sociology and secular studies, Pitzer College

www.au.org...#

Again some things may not be so cut and dried www.mtsu.edu...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee
Love when a religious mind thinks they can think for an atheist.

I was raised Christian before stepping completely out of the God circle.

At least I have honestly lived both.

It’s mostly an observation of atheistic behavior in society, you know... stuff like demanding to remove the Ten Commandments and the Nativity from various places.

Christian symbolism removed from government property. And why do you suppose that is?

There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Just because you think the Constitution means the Ten Commandments on a public place is not allowed doesn't make it so.

Law (the Constitution) does not agree with you.

As an atheist -- why would I specify or target one religion?

Other than it specifically being a topic of the thread.

law.justia.com...
Do you think that if the Constitution provides that we cannot have displays of Ten Commandments in public spaces, and if public schools are not allowed to have Christian prayer, then does that also mean that there can be no Islamic prayer being taught in schools as well ? Can you tell me why Islamic prayer can now be taught to children in public schools ?

No religious symbol on government property. You are the one specifying Christianity.

There is a thread on ATS discussing Islam taught in history class -- no different than teaching the history of Missions. When a belief is integral to history it is taught in history classes. I would say this also applies to multi-cultural studies.

Anyone can pray in school -- no matter their belief. It can't be lead or organized by the school or employee of the school.

Then there is this ... www.pbs.org...

I'm just gonna say secularism of our government is an ongoing battle.

Who's Afraid Of Secularism? The U.S. Constitution Mandates That Our Government Be Officially Non-Religious. To Christian Nationalists, That's A Problem

“The whole idea of a democracy is that we’re all equal citizens, we’re politically equal and legally equal and we govern by consent. We can only give that consent if we all have an equal standing. Secularism ensures that we have equal standing in the public realm and the political realm regardless of our faith or lack thereof. That’s a deeply American value.” — Phil Zuckerman, professor of sociology and secular studies, Pitzer College

www.au.org...#

Again some things may not be so cut and dried www.mtsu.edu...

Does this not cover it?

"I'm just gonna say secularism of our government is an ongoing battle."

If the Constitution was black and white -- there'd be no need for Constitutional lawyers.

originally posted by: marg6043
Is nothing beautiful on the calls to oppression and force religion, is nothing beautiful about Islam, it never has been specially when it comes their views of women, this does not belong within US constitutional laws.

Another push to the destruction of the US and what it stand for.

Oh, my goodness...

Please go read the First Amendment again.

originally posted by: Annee
There is no atheistic behavior as there is no atheistic doctrine.

Au contraire...

Atheism is absolutely a religion, it is based on faith just as much as Christianty... the faith that there is no god. It is a belief, nothing more.

a reply to: Annee


"Sharia law is no different. It only applies to those who follow it."

...and when followers of sharia law come to your doorstep to enact their belief that you are an infidel, lower than a dog and behead you on the spot fulfilling their religious obligation, that's okay, right? Easy to say when you haven't experienced it firsthand overseas in a Muslim country, watching them cut some poor woman's head off while a thousand stand around, approvingly watching. Or maybe being buried up to your head in the sand without as much as a drop of water before rocks are hurled at you until your brains fall out. Not a pretty picture, right? Ever see that firsthand? Some of us have and will fight that until our own death.

a reply to: Elvicious1

Worth fighting against.

Good thing that sharia, nor any other interpretation of religious "law", governs us.

Right?

a reply to: Phage

Don't assume I believe anything other than what I posted.

a reply to: Elvicious1

What is it that you assume I have assumed?

a reply to: Phage

I assumed nothing and answered your query.

a reply to: Elvicious1

Don't assume I believe anything other than what I posted.

So, a rhetorical demand.

a reply to: Phage

Whatever you deem it to be to sleep better at night. Life is interpretive, based on your perception. Go with it. Or as someone once said: "It is better to believe than disbelieve or else you have divorced yourself from any reality of it taking place". Enjoy your day, as will I.

a reply to: Elvicious1

Whoever that was that said that was an expert in semantically null statement.