WEF “Young Global Leader” Macron introduces digital ID system in France.

originally posted by: ancientlight
It will be connected to your 'social credit score' in the future.

No it won't. It's not even remotely the same thing.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: StoutBroux
The problem with digital is it's hackable, manageable and manipulatable.

I'm intimately familiar with mDL as my team is the one helping to roll this out in NA and EMEA. Can you walk me through your understanding of the above issues?

Sure. There is NOTHING that isn't hackable and hundreds if not thousands of instances prove it. Once something is hacked, it is manipulatable. And all data is manageable. It's all a matter of perspective. A simple look at Covid data reflects that. But here are some examples of hacking. And quite frankly, if it's digital, it can be accessed and used.

thehill.com...

Branches of the Department of Defense and the State Department were among the agencies hacked as part of a massive espionage attack aimed at the federal government by a nation state that came to light this week.

The New York Times reported that both agencies were among the groups successfully breached by hackers as part of the attack on IT company SolarWinds, an Austin, Texas, based organization that said this week that hackers had accessed its Orion software between March and June of this year.

www.forbes.com... sh=42ecb5dc29ac

Everyone’s Social Security Number Has Been Compromised. Here’s How To Protect Yourself.

Following breaches at Capital One, Equifax and a slew of other financial and healthcare organizations, there’s little doubt that your social security number has been compromised, say cybersecurity experts. Not just yours. Mine, too, as well as those of our spouses, neighbors, friends and colleagues.

“Your social security number is somewhere out there on the dark web,” says Charles Henderson, who heads up X-Force Red, a team of hackers at IBM Security that companies hire to break into their computer systems to expose vulnerabilities.

“It's totally reasonable to assume that your social security number has been compromised at least once, if not many times,” says Mike Chapple, associate teaching professor of information technology, analytics and operations at the University of Notre Dame's Mendoza College of Business.

www.govtech.com...

California DMV Contractor Hack May Have Exposed Driver Info

Personal information for possibly millions of California drivers may have been accessible to hackers this month after a company contracting with the California DMV suffered a security breach earlier this month.

www.king5.com... Wash. — Nearly a month after the Department of Licensing announced a breach, exposing the personal information of more than half a million people, many of those impacted are still looking for answers.

www.cnet.com...

An agency under the US Department of Defense was hit by a data breach that affected personal information. Hackers stole Social Security numbers, names and other personal data, a department spokesman said Thursday.

The Defense Information Systems Agency, or DISA, is responsible for providing IT support to combat missions, in addition to securing White House communications, according to the agency's website.

Department of Defense spokesperson Charles Prichard confirmed Thursday the agency had detected a breach of personally identifiable information on a system it hosts, and was in the process of notifying those affected by letter. The breach affected people associated with the Defense Department. They will also receive a follow-up letter with more information about how the agency will help them respond to the incident. That'll include free credit-monitoring services for everyone involved, he said.

"DISA has conducted a thorough investigation of this incident and taken appropriate measures to secure the network," Prichard said.

The breach occurred between May and July 2019, according to Reuters, which reported the story earlier Thursday. Other major data breaches that exposed Social Security numbers include the hack of the US Office of Personnel Management in 2015 and the attack on Equifax in 2017. Stolen Social Security numbers create a risk of identity theft.

I especially love the part I bolded above. 'Appropriate measures to secure the network' should have been taken prior to the hack.

As much as I dislike copy and paste, I feel it depicts more clearly my position.

NFC, which plays an integral play in digital ID is/are hackable. Difficult, yes, at least for now. But doable, also yes.

Anytime your data is compromised, "you" (your profile) can change. I have traffic tickets in states I've never been to, written checks to stores I've never been in, gotten id with another person's picture.... all of which "I" never did. That all goes in my 'profile', regardless if it's accurate or not. As most of this whole new digital age software is also based on Iphones, I'm also curious how the generic smart phones will handle this.

Since you are so intimately involved in the mDL process, could you confirm and verify that my initial claim is false? Even the ACLU has info on the mDL:

www.aclu.org...

Susceptibility to hackers

Security in the digital age is hard. The fact is, as security experts point out, that attacking digital systems is simply easier than defending them. We see this in the way that even the largest, most sophisticated and deep-pocketed companies and government agencies fall prey to malicious hackers. The essential insecurity of the digital world should not automatically be a reason not to make something digital, of course—and plastic licenses have their own vulnerabilities—but the consequences of successful cyberattacks do need to be carefully considered: not only how serious the effects of an incursion could be, but who will bear the burden of an attack. All too often, we have seen that companies don’t spend the money to protect their digital assets because when they’re attacked it’s their customers, not themselves, who suffer the consequences. The direct alteration or forging of cryptographically signed mDL tokens would be difficult if not impossible, but the apps that hold them could still be vulnerable. An intruder could hack an mDL app to access the app’s data or other data on your phone or copy your mDL token, allowing them to present themselves as you—not only in person, but potentially in the future, online. And the more everyone assumes that mDLs are secure, the more trust they will put in the imposter and the more damage that imposter could do to you.

a reply to: Sander1976

Connecting them to the internet of bodies will only be a couple steps away at that point.

The digital ID will have a reference to a database entry that will tell them who has had the vaccine. I imagine that they will use automated systems bit by bit to only cater to vaccinated people.
It'll be a seemingly small thing at first, but once the different sets of rules for vaxxed and unvaxxed become accepted as norms in society, the rest will happen rapidly.

At some point, the digital ID will be used against free speech, with protesters having their IDs reduced or cut off. The automated systems probably won't work for people unless both their boosters and ID are current. Programmable currency will be introduced, and the ID, booster record, and programmable currency will work in tandem to control the people.
Boosters will have latency between shots, so the programmable currency fills in the control structure in the meantime.
Apps and, at some point, biosensors will automatically alert someone if they came within 6 feet of another person and may require another booster or vaccine and people will be confined to certain areas until they comply. They'll have to comply because their digital ID, vehicle and programmable currency simply won't work outside of the designated mileage.

Or, something along those lines.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Meanwhile, in America, people have been signing up for this voluntarily.

To wit, in Arizona nearly half the eligible population already has an mDL. Not forced. Not coerced. Optional.

LOL, you couldn't possibly come to this site and be so naive as to think a digital ID is just some harmless endeavor.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Under the new system, the freedom level will shrink back to a place like Romania, where if you want something you will have to know a friend of a friend's cousin that will make it happen for you as long as you can do something for them at some future date. When the elites take over, the money will always stay with those closest to the printing press. It is happening now. The efficiency level of getting things done will wind itself down, as there will be no official black economy, which is where everything will happen.It isn't novel as soon as the government starts to take to much control of an economy a Black market springs up. All the money made by organized crime will suddenly become unbankable, the drug dealers are going to work for free out of the goodness of their hearts? nope, it won't happen the way Klaus thinks it will. They have a plan,and you know what happens to plans in motion if they get uncontrollable you won't be able to stop it.
Putin had a plan to get the nazis in Ukraine, and we are suddenly on the brink, China has a plan to get everyone on a digital ID what happens when the only factor that makes this feasible stops, which is the electrical generation.

a reply to: anonentity

From reading your reply I get the image of selling the workaround, where people wish to avoid the official channels and the workarounds begin to hold value.
An analogy might be human trafficking across borders. Only, in this case, the control system built by privacy invasion, digital IDs and programmable currency drive people towards workarounds, which begin to have value in their own right.

I completely agree with that sentiment. AI will be annoying and inefficient. You'll have to choose options that benefit your social credit score rather than the ones that actually make sense. For example, choosing a certain delivery date to lessen trips in order to get digital credits, even though you will be getting a separate delivery that day anyway. The AI is now making 2 trips because the human had to choose digital credits over sensible decisions.
Extrapolate that into every aspect of your life, and you get a system that everyone wants to avoid. This will get amplified by the absolute lack of problem resolution. Customer service will be AI driven and resemble an automated phone directory with no human to simply ask a question to.
Throw in corporate stakeholder capitalism and it becomes an unbearable sh$%thole that continually contradicts itself while leaving the people with frustration and annoyance.

a reply to: Sander1976

France already has an ID card system, it has done for as long as I can remember. I think that it dates back to WWII. So this isn't really anything new.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Under the new system, the freedom level will shrink back to a place like Romania,

Of course, you do realize that a unified ID card system would make voter ID child's play.

If all citizens have a valid ID, then poof goes most forms of electoral fraud.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

This is about the digital ID, comparing the normal ID card to this digital ID card is comparing apples and pears.

But I think you will argue it's the same.

originally posted by: Sander1976
a reply to: AaarghZombies

This is about the digital ID, comparing the normal ID card to this digital ID card is comparing apples and pears.

But I think you will argue it's the same.

France's ID cards have been digital for years. Do you really think that it's just some guy sitting in a booth stamping on your papers?

It's 2022, not 1942. How is this any worse than a biometric passport, which incidentally France has also had for years?

I think this will happen. The digital ID will contain the below data.

- Drivers license
- Personal ID
- Income including everything you spend it on, needed for CO2 calcs
- Medical history
- Vaccinations
- CO2
- SCS
- Banking info

Basically unlimited, don't behave like they want you to behave. Bamm drivers license suspended, no traveling for you. You used your car to much, added to your CO2 score. To much, no flying or car driving for you. One push at a button and your cancelled. Have a nice life.

You really don't see any danger in these things happening around the world? You can't see the control they will get from this?


a reply to: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: StoutBroux

You quoted this part:

The direct alteration or forging of cryptographically signed mDL tokens would be difficult if not impossible, but the apps that hold them could still be vulnerable.

Your ID is safer in the mDL scheme than it is where it currently resides, the state agencies with antiquated sites and poor cyber security. You also quoted several points about SSN's being compromised, this is also due to the same issues I just mentioned.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
LOL, you couldn't possibly come to this site and be so naive as to think a digital ID is just some harmless endeavor.

You couldn't be so naive to think that your ID is safe where it is now, could you?

originally posted by: anonentity
Under the new system...

I dealing with facts and reality, you're dealing with paranoia.

a reply to: StoutBroux
You are a thinker, do not ever stop!

The U.S.A. was pretty much the last "nation" on earth, that was ever to be "founded"/discovered. The U.S. C.O.T.U.S was inspired by God, through imperfect men/women, along with the bible.
God gave mortals/Jews/Gentiles, a chance. The "whole world". Or the last of it.

But,.. "We wrestle not with flesh and blood. But with principalities and powers". Beyond our understanding.

Macron thinks/believes he's "helping". Just like every "government" does. But he is merely a tool.

The idea of power, is inherently, ungodly and corrupt. The last, ever nation on earth (U.S.A.) put into "LAW", limits on "government" and individual power over INDIVIDUAL people.
That still didn't work.

The "saboteur" is the Devil/Satan (evil). His servants are void of standards, morals or laws.

"The freedom" and "law" you're being sold? Only cost you, your individual idea of right, wrong and freedom.
It's not like "society/civilization" holds your values.
Seems like a small fee/price/tax to pay, for your "right" to live "free".... Doesn't it?

After all? We're all just cattle, right? Owned and hearded at will, to the best pastures. Because it's best for us. Because "they ❤ care". And gain nothing from it.

If you don't pay them (it), for "your freedom". Or don't sit, when told to. Or don't get branded like a cow, when told? .... You will be an "outlaw" and destroyed.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I don't think so, it is just what happens to human society when in emergency situations.If things get changed alternatives always pop up driven by personal profit.

originally posted by: Sander1976
I think this will happen. The digital ID will contain the below data.

- Drivers license
- Personal ID
- Income including everything you spend it on, needed for CO2 calcs
- Medical history
- Vaccinations
- CO2
- SCS
- Banking info

Basically unlimited, don't behave like they want you to behave. Bamm drivers license suspended, no traveling for you. You used your car to much, added to your CO2 score. To much, no flying or car driving for you. One push at a button and your cancelled. Have a nice life.

You really don't see any danger in these things happening around the world? You can't see the control they will get from this?


a reply to: AaarghZombies

You already have a digital ID in the Netherlands. I have a DigID as well. Everything is already in place to tack any of those 'features' you listed onto it whenever they want.

originally posted by: anonentityI don't think so, it is just what happens to human society when in emergency situations.If things get changed alternatives always pop up driven by personal profit.

There's no emergency to implement mDL in the United States, it's 100% optional and that aspect is baked into the legislation each state passes.