The President of the USA has casually anounced get ready for food shortages.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: Tucket

I saw a video going viral with some farmers wife lady pointing at her 10,000 gallon fuel tank quoting a price to top it off a few years ago then the current price quote for this year. With a Brand New top of the line John Deere tractor next to it in the background… Face palm moment to say the least.

You do realize that they probably don't actually own the tractor?

Those things are so expensive that a lot of farmers have them on lease hire, or at the very least they're paying on installments.

Yup, read my last post of keeping up with the Jones’s . Instead of preventative maintenance and taking care of paid off older but perfectly good equipment, farmers get suckered into shiny paint, with an easy payment plan, with the flash of impressing the farmer next door.

a reply to: 38181

The problem there is that these payment plans have been going on for decades, often farmers don't have paid off tractors to maintain because they've been on a perpetual lease hire agreement. They lease one until it falls apart without ever paying it off and by that time the parts aren't made any more so the leasing company leases them the current model, lather, rinse, repeat. It's like having one of those ultra high interest loans that you can never pay off.

I can't speak for farmers where you live, but around here our farmers are some of the humblest folk you could imagine. The whole idea of showing off a shiny new tractor is alien to them. It's also pretty insulting.

With some of the bigger equipment, they simply can't get a loan-to-own because the ticket price is too high, and nobody will lend them the money. So they're forced to lease. Small farms can't even afford used equipment, not that there is much any more because it's all either owned by the bank or the lease higher company.

The days when you could run a farm on an old V8 are long gone. Margins are too tight, labor is too short. You need to get three crops a year out of a field just to break even some years, and that's if you run on a shoestring.

The big agro-companies are putting more and more small farmers out of business.

originally posted by: Tucket

originally posted by: 38181

originally posted by: Tucket

originally posted by: mikell
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Fair enough, but the type of equipment farmers are running is besides the point. Farmers who are buying the latest and greatest can learn to cut back. Dealing with skyrocketing fertilizer costs and fuel prices is the problem.

And the farmers dont just pass the buck to consumers. Doesn't work like that. Not in Canada, anyways.

i love that "Farmers who are buying the latest and greatest can learn to cut back". that is almost like saying poor people just need to cut down on eating food to save money. it's not "latest and greatest". it is a "need". they need that equipment. and farming is very hard on the equipment. so it wears out and breaks down. and even parts for older equipment, is also expensive. and that is IF you can still easily get needed parts. knew a guy who restored international tractors as a hobby. parts were expensive, and sometimes rather hard to find. since of course the very same corporation that sells you the new equipment, is also the same company generally that decides how much parts are worth, and if they keep manufacturing that part at all. and guess what, tose corporations WANT you to buy new equipment that makes them more money, plus of course the more they can earn in profit for those same parts.

then there is another point most people don't understand in this, and that is loans for that equipment. something i have personally dealt with in this type of issue. my parent's SIX YEAR OLD vehicle started to have some interesting problems. they tried to get a loan to fix it, since everyone at all the shops seemed to think the problem was going to cost a couple or so thousand to fix. so my parents tried to get a loan to fix it. nope,no way in hell would they lend so much money on such an "old vehicle". so in the end we parked it at a relative's house, and easily got a loan for a NEW VEHICLE of the same type. well over 5 years later i needed another vehicle, so i decided since my parent's vehicle was in great shape except for the problem, and so would look at fixing it myself, even if it took awhile to save the money. well in the end the problem was the TBI having one of two butterfly valves seized. that was it. cost me about $30 to have it rebuilt at a re-builder. this was a double whammy. if they had been able to get the loan to repair, they wouldn't have even needed it. on the other side of the coin,by refusing that loan, the banks made far more on the loan for a new vehicle, on the order of tens of thousands of dollars. and farmers are in the same position. they may be able to fix equipment and make it reliable and useful. but if they need a loan for those repairs, which can be expensive, they will be forced to buy a new piece of equipment instead, because they can not afford the much cheaper repairs, and only can "afford" to buy a new one, because of needing a loan to do so.

it's not like farmers are buying Ferraris (i won't say Lamborghini, since for them fancy cars is just a sideline, their main line is things like tractors, power generators, and other such equipment. a friend who lived in Italy for a few years calles Lamborghini "the Italian Honda"), or something. it's more like a situation of a auto mechanic, where their tools can easily cost tens of thousands of dollars for those tool sets. sure they "could" go somewhere like K-Mart, or Canadian tire, and buy cheap tools that might only cost a few hundred dollars, but as they say, you get what you pay for. and by buying those "cheap tools", in the end after a few years you may well spend more as well as wasting so much time, and getting frustrated, to always be going to buy replacements when they break or just can't do the job, as they would have buying snap-on. and with farm equipment there really is no "cheap farm equipment" available in the first place. just like with cars, there may be several companies you can buy from, but in the end they are all likely very close to the same price anyway.

and that equipment is not at all "optional". if you need a harvester, you need to get a harvester, no buts about it. and the simple fact is, that because of that "need", the corporations can get away with charging those hundreds of thousands of dollars for it. just like with anything you NEED.my father told me about how motor cycle helmets for example were cheap, until, motorcycle helmets became mandatory, at which point the cost went through the roof. because when it was an "option to buy", they had to sell at a price people would [i[want to buy it. but as soon as it bacame law that you MUST wear a helmet, they could then charge what the CORPORATIONS wanted to sell for, since people then had no choice but to get one. and it is the same for most things, if things are an option, they are cheap, so people will buy them. but as soon as in becomes mandatory, especially for "safety equipment", the price sky rockets. here is another example. go out to your car and look at your seatbelt. how much do you think one costs? $40 or $50? you have to have it by law, and so they are extremely expensive. going back to the late 80's early 90's i had to order a seatbelt for a customer car in my high school co-op at the shop i was working in. even way back then, which by the way was well over 30 years ago, a seatbelt was costing over $300, not even sure i want to know the price now. or how about an airbag, costing thousands of dollars, do you honestly think it costs anywhere near that to make? no, it is because it is legally necessary to have.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Pretty much all of it was due to covid lockdowns and giving people more money to not work.

a reply to: 38181

Yup, read my last post of keeping up with the Jones’s . Instead of preventative maintenance and taking care of paid off older but perfectly good equipment, farmers get suckered into shiny paint, with an easy payment plan, with the flash of impressing the farmer next door.

Okat so now do the mandates that are phasing out internal combustion engines! How is that going to affect things hmmm? Fossil fuels are bad ya know. There is a big issue you are neglecting, the planned obsoleting that go's into every vehicle. Every new "standard" that gets handed down affects what vehicles can be used for what. Does anyone know if vehicles used in farming like tractors are required to have inspections? I imagine they do, gov't never misses a chance to squeeze more money for their presence.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Pretty much all of it was due to covid lockdowns and giving people more money to not work.

Very much so. And now they are creating artificial scarcity. To me this seems highly criminal and treasonous. Like I have mentioned earlier. Biden is creating unneeded fear in the food supply by even mentioning to expect shortages. They know this formulae all to well and use it well.

If Biden causes unnecessary food runs is that cause great harm to the public is that criminal enough to impeach this interloper?

a reply to: anonentity

Because the current admin, Deep State wants to punish both Russia and Europe.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Really no reason for any of this, unless the government is paying farmers NOT to farm again.

While fertilizer is up, (again, BS) many of the farmers in my area had locked in pricing for seed and fertilizer last year.
And as my neighbor, the farmer says, many farmers can and do operate in the red, for about 3 years at a time, when things get bad.
But do you have any idea on some of the subsidies some farmers get? It can be in the 100's of thousands some years.

Farmers, at least the ones in our area, want to grow crops. It's just that sometimes, they get paid Stupid money NOT too.

a very good point. the fact is, more than enough food can be grown in the US, to not just feed the US, but a lot more to sell to other countries. oh sure we might miss some things that don't grow in the US, but it's not a big deal.

fact is there are tons of farms in the US that have been paid for DECADES not to farm. seriously my relatives had a farm in the so called "landbank", for well over SIXTY YEARS. although to "restore" the farming would now take a hell of a lot of work. pretty much the same work originally done to clear the land, since their fields are now forests with those decades of sitting fallow.

and then there is all the food that is intentionally destroyed, such as quite literally pouring thousands of gallons of fresh, raw milk into the sewers due to the farming quota systems. and guess what all this is about supposedly "keeping food prices stable". where it is really about KEEPING PRICES ARTIFICIALLY HIGH,and thus more profitable for the big food industry (farmers don't make squat out of it, seriously stop and buy at every farmer's stall or farmer's markets. by doing so, not only are you saving lots of money, but at the same time the farmers are earning a #load more money from what they sell,compared to the pennies they are paid by the food industry for the same food).

get rid of just those two things and food would be so plentiful, that it would be cheap. AND we could not just feed the country esily, but also at the same time, more food available to the rest of the world. someone put up a thing about how much of the world's grain supply is grown in Russia, Ukrain and others. how different would it be IF the US stopped paying farmers not to farm, and food was not destroyed to keep prices artificially high? would the US possibly be the number one grain producer of the world?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: marg6043

I think Biden just got mad that Zelenskyy and Putin are making progress in their talks. It's hard to know what a Dementia person really wants. He was Anti-War last week.

Zelenskyy has unrealistic demands set by the US.
The US demands are as follows.
-Russia must return Crimea
-Donbass and other regions must be returned to Ukraine.
Those demands are suspiciously what some US officials had been demanding not Ukrainian polticans.

I dont see much progress in the talks yet.

Did Biden ever say we here in the U.S. can out supply any food shortages ??

No of course he didn't 🤣

Did Biden say this, to silently suggest that nuclear escalation is about to happen.....

a reply to: anonentity

Lets See , Food Shortages , Record Gas Prices , Hyper-Inflation , Stolen Elections , Chinese Plagues , Medical Apartheid , Mass Censorship , National Sovereignty Gone and Individual Rights being Stripped Away . Every Federal Law Enforcement Agency Corrupted , Communist Infiltration of Government , and Supreme Court Judges who can’t Define one of two Human Genders , Gee , Thanks Dems .....................

a reply to: chiefsmom

A contract price for something in the future is no guarantee you will get it if there is none to deliver, the contractor will just declare a "Force major" an act of God out of their hands.

a reply to: vNex92

It is reported that Zelensky has a mansion in Florida and millions in the Bank. but Puppet No way!

a reply to: xuenchen

The bozo president just struck a deal to help EU with gas prices, but what have he done for the Americans in America, no a darn thing, we are still been punished for calling democrats stealing elections.

originally posted by: vNex92

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: marg6043

I think Biden just got mad that Zelenskyy and Putin are making progress in their talks. It's hard to know what a Dementia person really wants. He was Anti-War last week.

Zelenskyy has unrealistic demands set by the US.
The US demands are as follows.
-Russia must return Crimea
-Donbass and other regions must be returned to Ukraine.
Those demands are suspiciously what some US officials had been demanding not Ukrainian polticans.

I dont see much progress in the talks yet.

really shows how much of the situation is political theater. the US sets the demands not the (il)legitimate government of the country? well that rather reminds me of the how and why this whole Ukraine started in the first place a few years back. and hint, it was not Russia who set up, and started the whole thing in the first place. in fact it was exactly this type of thing from the west (such as NATO and allies, that started this whole thing off in the first place. where it would seem that Russia has only been trying to protect it's own interests from what the west caused. not to mention being asked (more like begged), for help by the actual legitimate government of the Ukraine, way back at the beginning of the issue.

originally posted by: flice
Did Biden say this, to silently suggest that nuclear escalation is about to happen.....

🤫🚬😨

a reply to: xuenchen

At this point I would not doubt the US shadow government ordering a nuclear red flag to start and full blow out war with Russia. That is how much I trust those that are running our nation.

The food shortages must be part of the planned Build Back Better agenda ? 🤫🚬

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

This isn't anything new, we've known since early before Biden was elected that there would be problems not having sufficient labor to pick and pack thinks like fresh fruit and vegetables, and that there was a shortage of people to cut and prepare meat.

It's a combination of people trying to quit the minimum wage version of the rat race and a crackdown on cheap migrant labor under trump as well as Covid.

not if we keep letting china buy up our farm lands and over fish the oceans.