Ukraine against its own citizens

a reply to: Boadicea

WHat good is a saved life if its under control of a dictator because we were to scared to stand up to him because a possibility of nuclear war? Living under the foot of a tyrant is bad enough that being dead and free is a better option.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Boadicea

WHat good is a saved life if its under control of a dictator because we were to scared to stand up to him because a possibility of nuclear war?

What good is freedom for dead people? And just because we waged a pre-emptive war in fear of nukes in response to someone we basically accuse of waging a pre-emptive war in fear of nukes?

Living under the foot of a tyrant is bad enough that being dead and free is a better option.

And some would say that you must fight the good fight and live for the fight when it's all that you've got.

We need true Diplomats and Statesmen, not war mongers, rabble rousers and cowards.

Not my title, but just saw this, and the content fits here:

Ukraine Citizen Absolutely Eviscerates The MSM And Libtards

This is a 6 minute video from purportedly a Ukrainian citizen, speaking perfect English, listing numerous examples of atrocities against the people of Ukraine by Ukraine forces. (Many of these examples I have seen reported, I'm sure most if not all the other examples have been reported)

The language is strong... to say the least. But it's strong subject matter, so easily understood. And if you are among those denying such atrocities have taken place, he really does not have kind words for you. Just fair warning.

WHat good is a saved life if its under control of a dictator because we were to scared to stand up to him because a possibility of nuclear war?

Because that life MAY change something..But what You say is exactly how Im certain a lot of us instinctively feel. I know I do. I feel like we sacrifice enough to Our own country to maintain the freedoms we have, now this tyrant is holding the whole world at bay while he wages an off the cuff war for profit on a sovereign nation.(best I can figure) Whatever their politics are.

With the nuke threat made just a little more real by Putin my brain just starts going to numbers..How many can we save?

Everyones tolerance is different. Some people just want to make it to tomorrow...IMO, the kremlin should look like a marble already and his little deployment reduced to scrap as soon as he stepped one foot over the Ukraine border. Just for the principle. What? Does he not think there's places we would all like to 'clean up'? (even though that's a lie too) Screw you dude.

That border makes it the whole neighborhoods business.

By the numbers though..Ukraine is the sacrificial lamb Im afraid..

Im paying close attention to ANYTHING coming out of France right now. They seem to have a perspective on near future events that they are being vague about..And the French suck at being vague.

US had a civil war. We handled it. Ukraine should be allowed to do the same. Right?

a reply to: Boadicea

"We need true Diplomats and Statesmen, not war mongers, rabble rousers and cowards."


Agreed.

But we're stuck with the putin and biden idiot twins.

One never had any interest in any kind of negotiation, and the other couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag.

It is what it is.

You go to war with what you have, not what you wish you had thought about in advance.

Folks in two countries failed to think before voting.

This is one of the consequences.

This also seems to fit here, although there aren't many details, and it all strikes me as quite odd:

Ukrainian peace negotiator is shot dead 'in attempted arrest by Ukrainian security service' amid claims he was a Russian spy

• Ukraine's Defence Ministry said Denis Kireev, 45, killed during defence operation
  
• The government called him a hero but MPs claim he was suspected of 'treason'
  
• They said he was shot and killed by Ukraine security service as he resisted arrest
  
• Mr Kireev was pictured on Ukraine side during negotiations with the Russians He was not on the official list for the February 28 summit and his role is unclear

Both Russia and Ukraine have made claims about his alleged spying activities, each blaming him of working for the other side.

Not just odd, but contradictory. Was he a hero or a traitor? Double agent? What's this "defense operation"? What did he do that warranted on-the-spot-execution?

It's said text messages are part of the evidence against him. But the texts were not released.

Very odd. We'll have to make of it what we will until more details are known -- if ever.

a reply to: RussianTroll

You wrote: "Now on the subject of thread. How Ukraine is setting up its citizens. The network has a huge number of videos and photos taken by Ukrainians themselves, in which tanks, artillery, multiple rocket launchers are placed by the army in the courtyards of multi-storey residential buildings in Ukrainian cities, and firing points of snipers and grenade launchers are on the first floors of residential buildings. Is this done to protect the public? No, this is done in order to cause the Russian army to return fire on residential buildings, and then get a beautiful media picture about the "atrocities of Russian soldiers." Ordinary citizens are simply being sacrificed. What is this if not Nazism?"

What did I just read? So you want Ukraine to offer no resistance to your invasion? That isn't how war works. How Ukraine decides to defend their land from your invasion is out of your hands. Further to whine because Ukrainians have the balls to stand up to your invasion is...well insane. Then to use the argument " but it's getting innocents killed!" which you further go on to state is being done by russian return fire is some bizarre "logic". Well gee, If you didn't want casualties maybe you shouldn't have invaded? This is not only one of the most bat guano crazy things I have ever read, but also one of the most profoundly idiotic too. Here for you, since you have earned it:

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul."

a reply to: RussianTroll

I do believe that Russia has been forced into this situation. So that it can be demonized and set up. Putin would not have made this move unless there was no other option. Its bad political press in Russia is bad for the economy on the surface this is a major move on the chessboard, which will lead to an inevitable showdown. NATO is steadily surrounding Russia with Missiles was never going to end well.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: RussianTroll

I do believe that Russia has been forced into this situation. So that it can be demonized and set up. Putin would not have made this move unless there was no other option. Its bad political press in Russia is bad for the economy on the surface this is a major move on the chessboard, which will lead to an inevitable showdown. NATO is steadily surrounding Russia with Missiles was never going to end well.

Russia was forced into this situation by Vladimir Putin.

Nobody else.

a reply to: RussianTroll

but I do not understand your attitude towards my country and my president. It sincerely amazes me...

I will answer that frankly.

If your version of an "extended military engagement" was an "aggression that will not stand" NATO would enforce the no fly zone, but as much as The West condemns it, we don't want to go to war with you.

Russia (along with China) is in fact the most powerful antagonist of the New World Order, and I mean the actual one that holds its own treaties higher for the highlighted human rights violations of past battles. Warsaw pact was nullified to the victory of Western interests and unity. As much as Yeltsin hated it. The NATO expansion was the "New Way" to replace the Stalins and Zedongs. Make Russia go West or go away.

In short "The global order of nations upholding democratic law and order" doesn't deem the aspirations of your president as viable in the New World.

Our North Atlantic Treaty trumps your Warsaw Pact. And the double standard is overtly enforced for the crocodile tears of decades of Soviet human rights violations and lingering misgivings toward communism.

So while from the Russian perspective it is fighting against an unjust encroachment of NATO on their interests, NATO still holds Russia accountable for its lack of humility with its own population.

This is why our news is nothing but how cruel your state media mandates are becoming. And how little freedom of speech your society has.

Same deal with China, you remind the West of Totalitarian regimes like the Third Reich and you are perpetually kept in check accordingly.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Frankly, moral issues aside, the premise of level city blocks with firepower is military daft. The resulting rubble provides cover for the defenders, or the remains of buildings are the outlets for lightly equipped forces to ambush and harass Russian troops.

Any competent strategist focuses on destroying their enemy's supply lines, command and control elements and morale. For instance, cutting off the supply of fuel grounds aircraft; prevents the movement of vehicles. Soldiers without supplies of water, ammunition, food, and medical care either fight to the death or surrender.

Concerning Nazis in Ukraine: If there are any Ukrainian SS veterans still, they are approaching or are over 100 years old. So aside from being on the wrong side of history, they aren't immune from old age. So Russian propaganda concerning denazification in Ukraine is absurd!

a reply to: yuppa

Not often we agree yuppa.

But you are calling the situation in spades.

Better to die on our feet fighting than live in fear on our knees.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with that Russian tosser Putin.

a reply to: andy06shake

I was thinking exactly the same thing.
I don't think I've ever agreed with yuppa....until now.

And he's been consistent and not allowing his dislike for Biden cloud his judgement on Putin....unlike a few I could mention.

Fair play to the guy, he's gone up a notch or two in my estimation.

originally posted by: Snarl

One of my nephews caught covid from a class mate only 2 days ago (his mother has had to quarantine twice in a year due to exposure from patients, shes a nurse) and my niece who comes to our house after school every day was off school for a couple of days last week for safety reasons due to one of her class mates being tested positive for covid.

Covid hasnt gone anywhere, which do you focus more on... a potential world war 3 crisis or a pandemic that is finally mostly under control and running a lesser variant in most places around the world after 2 years.

Id vote for the WW3 crisis... doesnt at all mean covids been nixed.

a reply to: anonentity

Aye but did you not also believe the vaccines are turning people magnetic and full of graphene oxide?

What about the option not to invade foreign European nations and possibly start a third world war?

Russia if anything has brought NATO closer to her own doorstep with her invasion of her neighbour considering Sweden and Finland are now also considering joining NATO.

Putin made there bed, and now they are going to have to lie in in.

NATO was only ever a defensive organisation who's existence came about directly because of Russia's wet dream of invading the greater part of the European continent.

As to how this will end, well that will be with the removal of Putin from his position of power or with another war in Europe.

a reply to: andy06shake

NATO was only ever a defensive organisation who's existence came about directly because of Russia's wet dream of invading the greater part of the European continent.

Russia has been invaded several times by others in Europe.

Russia has never invaded Europe.

Russians wouldn't want the rest of Europe.

I don't think this is Russia's wet dream, it may be yours.

P

a reply to: pheonix358

Not while NATO existed they have not.

Russia invaded the Ukraine and its a country in Eastern Europe, so i think you may find they did invade Europe.

Russia isn't getting the Ukraine(if in doubt well ask the Ukrainians) never mind anywhere else.

As to your thinking well a geography lesson might be nice.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: RussianTroll

Many of us have been following the events since 2014 and understand completely.

Hopefully, after this, people will wake up to who there real enemies are.

Russia, Russia, Russia has been going on since the end of WW2. The West needed a boogey man. Although much of what we knew about the USSR was correct.

The Russian Federation is not communist and for some reason, some can't see the change that occurred.

P

Who are the real enemies? Tell us so we can wake up.

Although the nation practices parliamentary democracy at present, and its society is a capitalistic one, the essence of Communism still hasn’t entirely been diminished there.

The Communist Party of the Soviet Union still upholds second place as the largest political party in the country and continues to believe in its communist ideologies.

Even if Russia calls itself a parliamentary democracy, many international political experts disagree, stating that its roots of democracy remain very weak. Maintaining continuity with its history, its president Vladimir Putin has been the country’s premier for years now, just like its previous communist leaders.

His tenure has outlived that of many men who led in the past. And the reach of his power also remains at a similar status to the country’s previous communist leaders.

source

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: andy06shake

NATO was only ever a defensive organisation who's existence came about directly because of Russia's wet dream of invading the greater part of the European continent.

Russia has been invaded several times by others in Europe.

Russia has never invaded Europe.

Russians wouldn't want the rest of Europe.

I don't think this is Russia's wet dream, it may be yours.

P

Ukraine is part of Europe.

originally posted by: pheonix358


Russia has never invaded Europe.

Lol, what?