Zelensky trying to fast track NATO membership or get security guarantees

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: putnam6

Yanukovych and his party was primarily elected because they wanted to seek closer economic ties with the EU. Yanukovych then unilaterally accepted billions of dollars from Russia to return to stick with their existing partnership with Russia.

This then led to the Maidan protest and Yanukovych ultimately being impeached by his own party.

Yanukovych then fled the country to Russia and was suddenly billions of dollars richer while Ukraine was billions of dollars poorer.

This then led to a special election where Poroshenko was elected. This is where the narrative that the West fomented a coup to remove Yanukovych and install a puppet falls apart. Poroshenko was not the West's preferred candidate.

FWIW that was then this is now, the US/Saddam Hussein

I think we can say Biden's and Zelensky probably have had a few conversations previously ...

www.cnn.com...

Why isn't Zelensky letting in foreign journalists to the Donbas...makes no sense? Are they hiding something? Do they suspect a spy among the journalists?

a reply to: putnam6

They will simply move Russian citizens in. The US was never trying to annex.

a reply to: putnam6

Is Vladimir Putin saying a Ukraine membership in NATO could trigger a nuclear war, with him launching the first Nuke?

President Putin giving a condition under which he would launch nukes and end it all ...100% totally.

He's Serious Folks!: 9gag.com...

Joe Biden and Europe should just let Russia do what he wants by installing a new leader in Ukraine, and get back to working on making life better here at home.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The US was never trying to annex

Just like how NATO is not trying to install the missile systems around Eastern Europe aiming toward Russia? why is NATO trying to create a ring of fire towards Russia?

Is this like how they decided to control Germany which they prevented Germany from having a army?

Breaking 3.4.2022

Germany says Ukraine is NOT going to be allowed to join the NATO group of nations.

Ukraine’s membership is not on The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)’s agenda, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Friday.

“I also made it clear in Moscow and in my visit that this option [Ukraine’s membership of NATO] is not on the table and will not take place,” he said during an interview with German public broadcaster ZDF.

“I said publicly that we all know that Ukraine’s NATO membership is not on the alliance’s agenda today,” he added. “That was understood by the American president, that [was] also understood by the French president.”

Scholz said he shares Russian President Vladimir Putin’s security concern and clarified to Putin that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO.

“The Russians were worried about the control issue of their security. [Putin was worried] that NATO has a military setup and rockets in Ukraine targeting Russian territory. That is why we tried to make it clear that this will not occur,” he elaborated.

Source: twitter.com...

No wonder President Zelensky is so angry tonight. The world is essentially telling him "You're on your own with fighting off Russia".

Oh well... I guess sacrificing a few thousand, to save 100 million or more lives, is logical. (The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few)

a reply to: carewemust

Zelensky last week in the belarus for talks he could had ended the conflict but refused to do so. He thought he was winning it.

Zelensky demanded to Putin officials last week in the talks that not only that Russia withdraw from Ukraine but also from Crimea and donbass republics.
A unrealistic notion.

Both sides left the talks without anything

There is a lot to very carefully balance here.

We have to distinguish Ukraine in different relations:

- Ukraine as a EU nation (or desire to be... which they wont in atleast 10 years, because corruption)
- Ukraine as a Nato country. Which wont happen....
- Ukrain as a country with ties to the US. Which it has. Heavy ties...

- Lugansk, with a public desire to be a soverign state. Most likely with subsequent ties to Russia.
- Donetsk, with a public desire to be a soverign state. Most likely with subsequent ties to Russia.

While the EU is suddenly in gear, being a reactive coaltion more than a proactive coalition, Ukraines ties ti the US is heavier, since the US has spent 100s of millioks in armory for Ukraine last year alone...
This is on top of the biolabs funded by the DoD in 2010 - 2012.
No I cannot find anything that directly says they are run by the DoD, but you dont spent that much money on something in a country next to Russia out of tthe goodness of your heart.

So Ukraine might fish for Nato / EU assistance, but their real relation is to the US.
This also makes sense, considering that the board of directors was populated by Cofer Black Alan Apter and Hunter Biden and a former Polish president. I mean... why the hell have a Ukranian infrastructure company run by a majority of americans?!?!

The EU and Nato relations are just for muddying up everything else going on.
I think the US leadership is perfectly fine with Ukraine being either Sovereign or giving up those two regions.
They cannot however allow a full russian takepver since that would expose the US and what they had going on behind curtains.

Ukraine is already sharing borders with Russia.
Nothing would change if Lugansk and Donetsk were sovereign states.... nothing. Except the act of showing attention to what the local population desires. Most are in fact in favor of russian ties.
But their primary desire is to be sovereign from Ukraine.

And please remember... this cannot be a Russia / US fight in a traditional sense. It has something to do with what is hidden by the US in Ukraine.

Because you know.... the US and Russia shares a border by Alaska. Litterally 80km from eachothers mainland.

a reply to: vNex92

Could have ended it by surrendering?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: carewemust

Zelensky last week in the belarus for talks he could had ended the conflict but refused to do so. He thought he was winning it.

Zelensky demanded to Putin officials last week in the talks that not only that Russia withdraw from Ukraine but also from Crimea and donbass republics.
A unrealistic notion.

Both sides left the talks without anything

Zelinsky demanded that russia remove all russians from all Ukraine.

putin wasn't ready to surrender yet and said some Silly things about mean nazis and secret Bio weapons labs that were all over Ukraine.

Then attacked a nuke plant cuz he had feelz.