Theory on mediumship and channeling: Alt-system of remote viewing (with demonic interference)

Hi ATS,

Well this one is interesting, because it ties together many areas of paranormal function that we as rational, imaginative human beings can participate in, which affect our lives & in some cases bring legitimate information from beyond the ordinary senses, which can be beneficial in down-to-earth ways, as well as being suggestive of certain spiritual dogma (typically 'raise the vibration' New Age quackery) - this is the subliminal message which is slipped in with the good information (the good info is what we would call the 'signal line'), not 'noise' as such, because it too is a clear signal line - the only problem is 'who is the source of these two signal lines'..? We have a clear data line, which arises in the consciousness of the medium in a definite 'Coordinate Remote Viewing' (CRT) style - the information pops up piecemeal, often with feelings, sensations, impressions & intuitions accompanying clear intrusive thoughts which are more potent than one would access in CRT generally - these intrusive thoughts can be words, or images in the mind's eye, or even visions of a person making statements, an event happening in your home town, etc.

The Scriptures adjure us not to be involved with mediums, and particularly not to follow along with witchcraft. Some elements of mediumship are basically witchcraft by another name (I'm thinking of the physical mediumship which involves channeling spirits & manifesting literal open-eye visions of paranormal happenings, so-called 'ectoplasm' & so on..)

We are told that meddling with mediumship, seances, scrying & divination is a bad thing, because of what can come along with the signal line of good data - the subliminal messages, authored by unclean spirits which have access to CRT-type remote viewing skills from their vantage point in the netherworld - they are able to psychically access universal information in much the same way that human CRT viewers can. So when you are receiving a signal line of apparently good data, allegedly from a close relative, something so personal you assume your belief is validated, that yes, it is the person on the other side whom you were seeking contact with; however, it is entirely possible, and indeed likely, that unclean spirits may be meddling with the reading you are sitting for, so as to create false signal lines, with which they can connect their subliminal signal line of doctrine & dogma which actually leads people away from pure spiritual truth, getting them tangled in a mire of pseudo-spiritual shenanigans & dangerous spiritual interactions & dominance, instead of a relationship with God.

I believe that anyone who gets involved with mediumship & other paranormal supplications of the witchcraft variety are highly open to manipulation, they themselves may feel protected, in a 'love, light & high vibrations' state of being - but they are in fact constantly being used to target weak-willed, desperate or emotionally vulnerable people, opening them up to the attacks of demonic forces when they put their faith in the spirit which is delivering the messages through the medium. It is dangerous to dally on the line with the netherworld, because you are wide open to fiendsih mercenary attacks by all sorts of negative entities, once the 'love & light' mediumship seance is over, and you go back home, closing your curtains & switching off your lights - something may have followed you home, having tagged you with the signal line, now being fully connected to various parts of your soul matrix. Dangerous stuff folks, don't be tempted by the sham glitz & glitter of the New Age 'Love & Light Brigade'.

Please feel free to ask questions about legitimate spiritual gifts, and the process by which you come to possess them (in fact, you do not possess them, you are merely able to tap into them, they are gifts in which we participate). True spiritual gifts are pure, safe to access, grounded in theological certainty & the faithfulness of God. You cannot access God in the way which leads to true spiritual life unless you are open to receive Christ into your heart & mind, to be humble before the God of all Creation, to ask for His blessing & guidance, amongst a fellowship of charismatic Christian believers, or any good Christian church where they operate in spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, words of knowledge, visionary wisdom, prophetic guidance & so forth. Basically blows the lame 'gift' of mediumship right out of the water.. You can trust the source of the information (God, the Holy Spirit), and you will develop spiritually by the practicing of these gifts. Unlike followers of mediumship, who really don't develop anything other than a risk of spiritual harm at the hands of demonic forces, or a general sense of disppointment & longing to be reunited with someone you lost. It's important for you to know that God dissuades us from seeking contact with lost loved ones, because their time is up, they have lived & died, now it's your turn to live, and not to dwell morbidly on the past & its tragedies & disappointments. You will see them again, in joyous reunion, but for the time being, you are meant to live your life in the most productive way possible.

I never say 'you will not go to Heaven unless you accept Christ' - the experiences of near death states in all sorts of people with differing beliefs proves that it simply isn't true that God rejects non-Christians. But I tell you this, becoming a Christian is the greatest adventure you can imagine, if you do it right (& yes, there are places that do it wrong - you must pray for discernment regarding which church to approach). Being a Christian equips you to respond to spiritual & material pressures in your life, which otherwise would leave you with no recourse to respond effectively - and ultimately protects you in body, soul & spirit from the strategies of evil spiritual forces which ARE operative in this world. Not to mention of course the wonderful joy of direct connection to God, relationship with Him, the glories & wonders He provides in the Spirit are often overwhelming, we are always receiving more & more spiritual & psychological healing, being moulded into the character of Christ, sharing in His inheritance of all the good things God provides.

Please message me to ask more, or reply in thread, I will be happy to discuss.

Cheers,


FITO.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

FANTASTIC! In total agreement with all you wrote.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
any good Christian church where they operate in spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, words of knowledge, visionary wisdom, prophetic guidance & so forth

I've had a stressful day and have a headache and am leaving work in 10 minutes so I can't write much now, but I wanted to respond to the above for now.
I think Christian churches are just as prone to manipulation, specifically when it comes to those things you mentioned - speaking in tongues, visionary wisdom, etc. Teachings in Christian churches are not immune to being false, misleading or harmful - consider, for example, a faith-healing church that teaches its members not to use medication or get medical procedures which would otherwise be easy to obtain or receive, or a church that teaches that the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs aren't real. There are cases of children dying because their faith-healing parents refused basic and easily obtainable medical treatment in lieu of trying to "believe the illness away" - this behavior is not in line with the will of God. Consider also that leaders within Christian churches are not immune to having negative intentions or being sinful or even outright evil. The guideline for determining when spiritual phenomena is acceptable to engage in shouldn't be whether or not it is associated with a Christian church, or any kind of church for that matter.

Gotta leave work, so I'll have to end that there for now.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Once upon a time Christianity was new age quackery, and as prone to that very manipulation, you mentioned. I agree with most of your assessments though...

There are many forces in this world that can be dangerous if you are untrained in their nature and use. You leave it to the professionals! lol>Many of God's chosen used dream interpreters and soothsayers, so perhaps it was to discourage a 'New Age' type of amateur from playing with something haphazardly?

Many ancient cultures practiced forms of divination, with strict protocols in purifying ones' mind and body first, along with protection rituals before beginning. Today, people just jump in with both feet, bringing all the energy they've absorbed through the daily grind with them- and much of it is negative.
We all have 'gut instinct', moments of intuition, like when you know who's at the door or on the phone before you ever answer. To recognize that this falls under the 'sixth sense' is the first step. Like anything, there is a learning curve. Anybody can do it, but taking shortcuts and not 'learning the rules' is dangerous, and why we were told not to play with it, IMO.

When 'the spirit of the Lord' falls upon one, that's a trance. When you pray in earnest it's not impossible to find yourself at a deeper level of 'mindfulness' than you've ever been; that's a trance. Or, you could give it a less scary name and say you were 'united with the Spirit'. They're all just labels that appease our desire to understand and explain everything so it fits with our chosen belief systems.

The majority of belief bias is set in childhood- given to us by our parents. We don't usually stray far from- or even question- why we see the world the way we do. There's a story that gives pause for some thought.

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

Priest: "No, not if you did not know."

Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"








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People speak of negative entities here without actually having dealt with them. They just know based on what others have said. What is a negative entity? Is an alligator a negative entity? Is a tick? Is a human? Are you?

People don’t incarnate here because they’re love and light. You’re always picking stuff up when you walk in the mud. You don’t have to practice witchcraft to do that.

a reply to: trollz

Hey no worries, I absolutely, 100% agree with you - I didn't say much about this side of things, other than my statement that you need to use discernment when choosing a church, exactly because they are just as subject to spiritual manipulation as any other organisation which professes religious ideals. That's not in doubt. So many churches & particularl church leaders have got so much to answer for in their displays of greed, hypocrisy, spiritual rebellion & thievery, perversion, etc.

But I have to have faith that overall, most churches get the balance right. If they are one of the 8000 Anglican-derived denominations, they all pretty much believe the same thing on the major points of the faith, and what's left is differences in the choice of the style of worship & social/ community activities. So yeah, use discernment, try to find a spiritually vibrant church operating in the gifts, yet with down to earth teaching & careful approaches to prayer response, counselling & so on. It's sometimes difficult to find one with the right balance, but don't give up prematurely, and don't settle for a place which is spiritually cold. Look for genuine warmth in the congregation members, and make sure that they have things like child safety training & certification properly set up. Basically you're looking for a loving yet disciplined environment, where people are not accosted with requests for excessive provision of personal life information (which can happen, especially with over-zealous people who want to pray with you - and get some gossip on the side, even if they don't realise that's what they're doing). It's a challenge, but not impossible.

a reply to: nugget1

The majority of belief bias is set in childhood- given to us by our parents. We don't usually stray far from- or even question- why we see the world the way we do. There's a story that gives pause for some thought.

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

Priest: "No, not if you did not know."

Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"

Look, I directly state in several places here that you need to watch out for the deceivers who are preaching a false gospel. I've already said in the OP that God doesn't reject non-Christians, and certainly wouldn't send someone to Hell simply for not believing. There is a demonic force which tries to pervert the telling of the gospel in that exact manner, and you will get mega-churches of thousands of people cheering about the pastor saying that someone or another is going to burn in Hell for all eternity because they have denied Christ, etc. It's disgusting, and God hates it. I have spoken frequently about my belief that at the judgement day when the souls of death & Hell are cast into the lake of fire, that's symbolic that they face oblivion, burned up in a flash, no longer existing at all. In the Netherworld until then they may, if they were evil, face torments of some sort, in the gloom & depression of that place - but ordinary people don't get sent there, it takes a special kind of evil soul to merit that treatment.

God is gracious, loving, kind, slow to anger, quick to forgive. He disciplines us sometimes by the circumstances of our lives, only so that we will make better choices & follow the true path throughout all the days of our lives. He welcomes us into the heavenly realms with full grace & truth, with our relatives & friends greeting us in many circumstances - but there is a divine edict that we are not to seek contact with the dead, it's as simple as that - because the Earth is in the lower realms, and evil spirits in the astral can tag onto whatever you do to connect with them via mediums & their false/misguided promises.

a reply to: AcrobaticDreams

I've dealt with negative entities - the meaning is clear: unclean spirits, demons, ghouls, spectral creatures.

Any of them can tag along with a medium, even more the case when forms of witchcraft are involved. And I've known witches, and those abused by a Satanic cult, who recant & turn to Christ. Theirs is a long journey of deliverance & loving support, in my experience. Being abused by Satanists since infancy destroys a person's soul, it takes a lot to rebuild.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: AcrobaticDreams

I've dealt with negative entities - the meaning is clear: unclean spirits, demons, ghouls, spectral creatures.

Any of them can tag along with a medium, even more the case when forms of witchcraft are involved. And I've known witches, and those abused by a Satanic cult, who recant & turn to Christ. Theirs is a long journey of deliverance & loving support, in my experience. Being abused by Satanists since infancy destroys a person's soul, it takes a lot to rebuild.

What are examples of your dealings with demons? If you know people that were abused by Satanists-then they were abused by humans. Humans of all religions abuse other humans horribly. Humans of no religion abuse other humans horribly.

Do demons do the same without human desire to abuse and without human participation? Are the Muslims that throw acid on their daughters face disfiguring her or cutting off her ears or doing an honor killing different than the Satanists?

a reply to: hiddeninsite

Specifically which bits haha?

Anyway, I am a waking member of the simeon tribe of Israel, I possess two souls, one animal and one divine, with me in the middle trying to amalgamate them into the one being, once I find myself whole and united with my sword I will rain vengence down on all who stand in my path,

GUGLiL

Oooooo...

This can actually be discussed without resorting to "organized religions". It's enough to point out we have free will and acknowledge that we're equally free to be stupid as much as we are free to be discerning.

In general the problems arise when someone new to any of the millions of ways to "open themselves up" or "go looking" is so enamored they heard anything that discernment gets tossed by the wayside an crappy things happen. Complete rookie mistake. Altho ego comes into play as well.

No one wants to admit they "misstepped".
Problem being is we all do, it's in recognizing it and then doing the work correctly next time. There aren't any shortcuts.

I'll be the first to admit my bias's.
I trust no channeling ever, things lie, things are great at imitating whatever you expect them to be and will lead you around by the nose. It gets ugly once you figure out you're being played cause things are very reluctant to just quietly "piss off" once identified.

I trust no automatic writing ever.
Just more lies in written form, symbols in reality and it's prolly "just me" but I believe once written hold more sway in the physical than not. In my mind writing a channeled paragraph about whatever isn't much different than a sigil and once brought into the physical can be a bugger to get rid of.

People who are deemed "extra spiritual" or "enlightened" but when you look at the totality you soon discover everyone in their family has suffered tragedies & hardship. Yeah....that alleged "enlightenment" comes at a high cost. Selling your relatives to be "God's Mouthpiece" is more common than you'd think.

The most comical instance I came across was a woman I was acquainted with who insisted that the Universe was Abundant and good things came if you believed that. Her quest for Abundance lead directly to an abundance of idiots who use her like Kleenex till she lost her business. All under the auspicious's of "we're all of the light" an we're all raising our vibrations!!

Alrighty then....
I'm going to be standing Waaaaayyy over here being just as unenlightened as I need to be!! ROFL!!!
BTW....loads of our paths can & will be comical. It's not all demons and drama. It's ok to have fun along the way.

a reply to: Caver78

It seems you're on track with your mistrust of the mediumship, the automatic writing - I appreciate the way you connect that to sigils, it's very astute to recognise that.

The one thing that people don't always quite understand, if - for example - they are a traditional Christian in a Baptist or Evangelical church, whatever - is that mediumship when done correctly is not a sham, these people genuinely can call up the spirits of the dead. Most are charlatans, but there are plenty of examples the world over of truly capable mediums who believe they're doing God's will, who genuinely can connect in the ways that they claim, though everything they produce is subject to the possibility that it's been tainted by a demonic spirit. It's outlawed for that very reason, and is not permitted, in accord with the scriptural Old Testament law, and again, with the New Testament too, it is strictly forbidden because of what we have both been saying - the nasties can latch onto the medium, and the sitter, depending on the motivations, the auspiciousness of the occasion, and a thousand other hidden rules that we generally don't understand.

In the Old Testament, King Saul uses a medium to call up the spirit of Samuel, who was a prophet in former times. The medium is clearly genuine, because the spirit of Samuel rises up from the sleep of death, and proceeds to rebuke King Saul for waking him up & calling him forward to provide insight about his war strategy, but indeed he actually prophesies Saul's death as a result of his breaking the law in this way by using a medium instead of goin to a prophet. In Israeli custom, according to the law of Moses, leaders should only contact prophets of YHWH to discern the future or gain insights for battle, etc. Saul tried to cut corners because he was out of favour with the Lord, and as a result set in motion a chain of supernatural events which led directly to his own death on the battlefield the very next day.

Mediums can be genuine - but their craft is one of the dark arts, and can be either consciously or unconsciously saddled with the presence & effects of demons in disguise. As noted, the dark spirits can 'remote view' any information to convince the sitter that it genuinely is harmless old Uncle Tim calling from the other side of the veil - but in reality, you just created a soul tie between you & the demon, and it's going to be a tough one to shake, unless you figure out where to get genuinely powerful spiritual help - you have to humble yourself & accept correction in the matter to start with.

"There is no name under Heaven by which men shall be saved, except for the name of Jesus" - the Anointed One, the Christ - the Alpha & Omega, the beginning & end. He is able to liberate men & women who are trapped in the chains of demoniacal persecution. The Buddha cannot do it, some 'ascended master' cannot do it, and of course Mohammed couldn't do it (he was a warlord who permitted all imaginable criminal behaviours by his followers, & he was a certified paedophile - married a 6 yr old girl, raped her when she was 9 yrs old - so certainly not a great place to start looking for redemption, but I digress)...

Only Jesus can unlock the chains that bind a person to a demonic fiend. You must use discernment, and pray for guidance, in finding the right [church/ minister/ delverance prayer team] to help you if you are in such a terrible position - but a medium certainly cannot help you.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

It's disgusting, and God hates it. I have spoken frequently about my belief that at the judgement day when the souls of death & Hell are cast into the lake of fire, that's symbolic that they face oblivion, burned up in a flash, no longer existing at all.

Doesnt sound like your god is full of forgiveness and mercy does it. Perhaps the lake of fire which burns with brimstone is not an actual lake but symbolic of a process of purificaiton. The Brimstone being sulphur that was used to refinie low grade ore into gold. A purification from experiencing all the dualities in the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That tree being the reality in which we now exist.

The first death is the death of the ego-mind as it returns to dust. The second death is seperation from God as our soul is again enclosed into a new ego-mind. The lake of fire expresses the purpose of reincarnation.

Neverless, whether you believe that or not, I applaud you for your views. Very refreshing to hear.

I am not Christian but I am Christian leaning, perhaps. I've written before about experiences I had with the demonic, due at least in part to a Ouija board, and how I found actual power in the name of Jesus when dealing with the evil spirits. It opened my eyes to the dangers of non-tested spirituality. I was never very religious but always spiritual, in part due to my perceptive nature (sensing and connecting with forces beyond the five senses.)

Not sure if this is correct, but if I'm remembering my old research correctly, the Left Hand Path refers to non-religious spiritual exploration, while the Right Hand Path refers to following a true and tested religion of long-practiced belief. The Left Hand Path is extremely dangerous because it is untested. Charlatans of that realm can indeed make such practices appear much more bonified and safe than they actually are. I believe you are correct about the dangers of such spiritual practices, and I very strongly feel the same about spiritual entities or visions. My own experiences taught me to be very mistrustful of such things.

As I am from a Catholic background and I live in a Christian country, I naturally drift back to the Bible and teachings of Jesus as a place of spiritual safety. I love the idea that Jesus was actually real, but I could never believe it as fact. I do know there is a ton of truth behind his words, and a lot of wisdom and power to the Christian faith. It's very easy to say, "Meh, let's create a new religion", but people have no idea what they are messing with. They are also overlooking the very real truths in Christian belief. There is real evil, far more literal, powerful and deceptive than I ever would have imagined before experiencing it myself. So, you are right to warn people.

For me personally, I pray almost every day to God now. I am starting to read parts of the Bible. I appreciate what truth and protection I have found in the religion so far. But I will never abandon my healthy skepticism.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
The one thing that people don't always quite understand, if - for example - they are a traditional Christian in a Baptist or Evangelical church, whatever - is that mediumship when done correctly is not a sham, these people genuinely can call up the spirits of the dead.

I don't know how you developed such a belief, but I've never seen any verifiable evidence to suggest what you say is true.

Most are charlatans, but there are plenty of examples the world over of truly capable mediums who believe they're doing God's will, who genuinely can connect in the ways that they claim...

Again that's quite an extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence that I've seen to support it. If I'm missing some extraordinary evidence you know about, please share it with me.

"Charlatan" means someone who is intentionally deceptive. Many are charlatans, but there are also those who I would not call charlatans because they do not have the intention to deceive...some may really believe they have a gift, which in fact is a self-delusion based on things like not understanding statistics of coincidences.

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tyvm for the thread FITO

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: nugget1

The majority of belief bias is set in childhood- given to us by our parents. We don't usually stray far from- or even question- why we see the world the way we do. There's a story that gives pause for some thought.

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

Priest: "No, not if you did not know."

Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"

Look, I directly state in several places here that you need to watch out for the deceivers who are preaching a false gospel. I've already said in the OP that God doesn't reject non-Christians, and certainly wouldn't send someone to Hell simply for not believing. There is a demonic force which tries to pervert the telling of the gospel in that exact manner, and you will get mega-churches of thousands of people cheering about the pastor saying that someone or another is going to burn in Hell for all eternity because they have denied Christ, etc. It's disgusting, and God hates it. I have spoken frequently about my belief that at the judgement day when the souls of death & Hell are cast into the lake of fire, that's symbolic that they face oblivion, burned up in a flash, no longer existing at all. In the Netherworld until then they may, if they were evil, face torments of some sort, in the gloom & depression of that place - but ordinary people don't get sent there, it takes a special kind of evil soul to merit that treatment.

God is gracious, loving, kind, slow to anger, quick to forgive. He disciplines us sometimes by the circumstances of our lives, only so that we will make better choices & follow the true path throughout all the days of our lives. He welcomes us into the heavenly realms with full grace & truth, with our relatives & friends greeting us in many circumstances - but there is a divine edict that we are not to seek contact with the dead, it's as simple as that - because the Earth is in the lower realms, and evil spirits in the astral can tag onto whatever you do to connect with them via mediums & their false/misguided promises.

Your gospel perplexes me. It hints that Christ's death on the cross, the shedding of his blood, and His ressurection three days later, don't apply to some; works and geography playing a role. No bridge (Jesus Christ) to God the Father required.