Lets clear the Air surrounding the Sars-Cov19 " Vaccine "

a reply to: Archivalist

I agree with you to a certain point. They treat nothing at all, so they can't be a pre-emptive treatment. They are experimental drugs for gene therapy and bioweapons.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the FDA. It is no longer under the EUA. The Moderna and J&J vaccines will also likely be approved, as soon as the testing and phase III clinical trials are complete.

a reply to: chr0naut

Mate no it has not been FDA approved that is a false hood .

And your speculation about the other Vaccines is just that speculation.

Comirnat y and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine - FDA

That is TEMPORARY and EMERGENCY approval , I already new that and so did you .

Don't give me links and cross your fingers hoping I will not take the time to read them , No Covid Vaccines including Pfizer have full FDA approval.

originally posted by: knowhatamine

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: asabuvsobelow



This Medical Fascism we are seeing Right Now should more properly be called Corporatism, since it is the merger of State and Corporate Power . Corporations are Enforcing Fascist Socialist Dictates and they Operate as an arm of Government with the Power to Act Outside of Our Constitution . This Alone should Rally the American People to Arms when the Process of Law is Overridden by these Petty Dictators ! .........

Corporatocracy is the word you're looking for.
That is indeed spot-on!

but here are more cool words that fit the bill:
technocracy
utilitarianism
totalitarianism
expertocracy
kakistocracy


@op
When a pathogen can not replicate inside a host we call the type of immunity this individual has "sterile".

Whether or not a vaccine reliably produces sterile immunity depends not only on the vaccine, but also on the pathogen. Smallpox vaccines for example supposedly cause sterile immunity.

However the definition of vaccine has been tampered with in 2021.

i.imgur.com...

Since the smallpox vaccine is only 95% effective, and requires boosters every 3-5 years, how could it be considered "sterile"?

Vaccine Basics - Smallpox - CDC

What has happened here is that online anti-vaxxers have exaggerated the details of a vaccine that has been used to eliminate a human disease (after decades long, worldwide campaigns). To try and denigrate a new technology vaccine with very similar effectiveness.

And also, the changing of a dictionary definition has to do with changing language and technological progress, and has nothing to do with the medical effects of a vaccine. The first definition in that Merriam Webster entry was out of date and did not encompass types of vaccines which have been in use for decades at the time (such as toxoid and subunit vaccines). The use of a changing dictionary definitions as some sort of anti-vax 'reasoning' shows the cognitive weakness of their understanding.

a reply to: chr0naut

3-5 years

vs 6 months for the mRNA 'vaccines'.

a new technology vaccine with very similar effectiveness.

Similar?

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the FDA. It is no longer under the EUA. The Moderna and J&J vaccines will also likely be approved, as soon as the testing and phase III clinical trials are complete.

a reply to: chr0naut

Mate no it has not been FDA approved that is a false hood .

And your speculation about the other Vaccines is just that speculation.

Comirnat y and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine - FDA

That is TEMPORARY and EMERGENCY approval , I already new that and so did you .

Don't give me links and cross your fingers hoping I will not take the time to read them , No Covid Vaccines including Pfizer have full FDA approval.

The EUA was granted back in January 2021.

The previously linked letter, of grant of approval, is dated August 23 2021. It isn't an amendment to the EUA. The details are in the letter.

The use of Cominarty for young children is still under EUA, as the studies have not completed.

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

But aside from that, 822,196 Americans have already died of COVID-19. If people don't take some sort of affirmative action against the spread of the disease, more will die needlessly.

In fact there are very few things we can do against the spread of the disease, one of them is a campaign of mass vaccination. It is one of the relatively cheapest and most effective things we have to fight the disease (especially in an environment where recidivists refuse to take reasonable precautions, and therefore override the efforts of others). To not vaccinate, or take other precautions, will lead to more unnecessary deaths.

A stance against any and all efforts to impede the spread of COVID-19 in anything, is bioterrorism. It is the minority enforcing their will over the health and lives of the majority.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: chr0naut

3-5 years

vs 6 months for the mRNA 'vaccines'.

Big whoop. How hard is it to to get a shot against a prevalent deadly disease?

a new technology vaccine with very similar effectiveness.

Similar?

The Pfizer vaccine demonstrated a 95% clinical effectiveness against the Alpha strain.

The latest and most effective smallpox vaccine has demonstrated a 95% clinical effectiveness against smallpox.

That is what I was referring to as similar.

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh I remember and It was misleading and at the end of the day they had to quietly admit there was no actual FDA approval.

A stance against any and all efforts to impede the spread of COVID-19 in anything, is bioterrorism. It is the minority enforcing their will over the health and lives of the majority.

Well this is an interesting change in tone from you chr0naut , the true colors come out eventually I suppose.

Bioterrorism you say , would that be like the Second Largest Production Warehouse of HydroxyChloroquine being burnt to the ground ?

or Like the obvious Negative spin on Ivermectin and Mono Antibodies by the Media ?

Or even the Media acting like Natural Immunity does not even exist ?

Or the Insane push by the Pharmaceutical companies to Vaccinate F*CKING Children for a Virus that they statistically survive 99.99% of the time

Or the Blatant push by Pharmaceutical companies to force the mRNA technology on an unaware public just so they can test there fancy new Technology and Line there Goddamn Pockets with money ?

Is any of that BIOTERRORISM ???

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh I remember and It was misleading and at the end of the day they had to quietly admit there was no actual FDA approval.

No, they didn't. Kook websites and kooks on social media said it, but I don't recall any authoritative source saying so.

Please provide some sort of supportive link for your absurd belief.

A stance against any and all efforts to impede the spread of COVID-19 in anything, is bioterrorism. It is the minority enforcing their will over the health and lives of the majority.

Well this is an interesting change in tone from you chr0naut , the true colors come out eventually I suppose.

It isn't a change. What is happening is that I am feeling a certain level of frustration in that, that no matter the credibility of evidence I present, others continue to repost baseless, un-evidenced lies, with irrational unresolved contradictions, and they treat me as if I was the one being irrational.

Let me explain, the repetition of a lie does not make it become a truth. So the repetition of things that I know, and can reason, cannot possibly be true, will never convince me, no matter how it may try and tug at the heartstrings, and be repeated everywhere. I would hope I have more intellectual integrity than to believe such bunk.

So many others are unable to rationally evaluate things, and are driven by emotional appeals and paranoia, and are so conditioned to irrationality that they believe the discredited or anonymous above those who are credentialled and qualified. Also, the motivations that are falsely proposed, that someone would try and be deceiving everyone else, are bunk and easily reasoned to be contradictory and pointless.

Bioterrorism you say , would that be like the Second Largest Production Warehouse of HydroxyChloroquine being burnt to the ground ?

It could have been, but if there was an intent to eradicate supplies of ivermectin, why only the second largest warehouse? Why not the largest? Why not all of them? But, of course, accidents also happen, too. Just not in the world of doom-porn because there everything is intentional and for a darker purpose!

or Like the obvious Negative spin on Ivermectin and Mono Antibodies by the Media ?

No. Monoclonal antibodies are effective and have been promoted by the MSM as treatment for COVID-19. The FDA has approved them for use in treatment of COVID-19 under EUA.

Ivermectin, on the other hand, has failed everywhere it has been tried. It was never approved for use in Japan, and there have been very few sales of it there (even veterinary ivermectin), yet the Ivermectin fraudsters claimed that it was the reason for Japan's drop in COVID-19 cases. Coronavirus: Fact-check - did mutations or ivermectin help stamp out Delta in Japan?

In India, the government tried distributing both Ivermectin and HQC in various provinces, but this has since been withdrawn approval as, in practice, it proved ineffective against COVID-19. Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol

The same for Brazil, approval has been withdrawn because it proved ineffective against COVID-19. Fact Check: Hospitalizations, Mortality Were NOT Cut In Half After Brazilian City Offered Ivermectin; City Officials Rebut Study and Recent Study of Ivermectin Finds No Effect on Covid and Desperation, misinformation: how the ivermectin craze spread across the world

Or even the Media acting like Natural Immunity does not even exist ?

Of course it exists. It is about the same as vaccinated immunity. It rolls off over time. How long does covid-19 immunity last? - BMJ and COVID reinfections likely within one or two years, models propose - Nature

And then there are those who post on ATS who have had more than one bout with COVID-19 - a clear indicator that natural immunity is not total and forever.

The fact that ANY disease exists in the world proves the case that natural immunity is neither totally effective, nor does it last forever. The simple logic that natural immunity has NEVER been like that, for ANY disease, is such a basic that you'd have to be a mindless fool to believe otherwise.

Or the Insane push by the Pharmaceutical companies to Vaccinate F*CKING Children for a Virus that they statistically survive 99.99% of the time

Ignoring the fact that infected children can pass on the disease, and that no vaccine campaign can ever reach herd immunity levels when high percentages of the population remain carriers of the disease.

Or the Blatant push by Pharmaceutical companies to force the mRNA technology on an unaware public just so they can test there fancy new Technology and Line there Goddamn Pockets with money ?

Is any of that BIOTERRORISM ???

No, most of that isn't bioterrorism. Billions of people have been vaccinated, but yet there has not been billions of adverse reactions, or deaths. And if you look at case-fatality ratios before and after vaccinations, there has been a lowering of deaths per case. So the vaccinations being part of a cull, are just BS. Doom porn that isn't happening.

There has been no economic reset. The people who were rich prior to COVID-19 are for the most part, still rich. The people who were poor prior, are still mostly the same. The people who were middle income are mostly the same. Zero sign of economic reset. In fact, there has been greater economic stability because the governments around the world have funded their private sector through the lockdowns and other deprivations. Here's a graph of bankruptcies in the USA by year, what do you notice? United States Bankruptcies - Trading Economics. So much for the "great reset" doom porn.

Now, lets look at drastic regime change, have you seen any like we had previously? Nada. It was just doom porn.

See, all the basis of your opinion is non-existent. Don't bother trying to think of some new edge-case to explain yourself. The core of your belief is baseless, unevidenced, based on lying hearsay, unrealistic, and quite kooky. And every single day, as none of the BS doom-porn happens, and as you cling to the fallacy that "they" are all out to get you, you just look kookier and kookier.

A rational person would re-evaluate things.

Apologies for the tone of this post, but I have fallen and busted my knee, and am extra grouchy at the present moment.

a reply to: chr0naut

I read every thing you wrote in the reply and I'm not going to reply because your just repeating the same information you've posted countless times .

chr0 it's not doom porn mate , it's about money don't you get that ?

The pandemic happened and I remember the Media started counting the Infections immediately like each one was a Bomb going off it was completely ridiculous .

The Corporations and Politicians saw this Pandemic and thought two things " Money " and " Power Grab " , We could have handled this like any other virus from the Past simply let it run it's course and allow our immune systems to do there jobs.

Now mate I don't know if your paid to troll this site Copy/Pasting your Covid-19 information all over the place or if you actually believe your dribble .

But at the end of the Day you are going to be proved wrong .

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

I read every thing you wrote in the reply and I'm not going to reply because your just repeating the same information you've posted countless times .

chr0 it's not doom porn mate , it's about money don't you get that ?

The pandemic happened and I remember the Media started counting the Infections immediately like each one was a Bomb going off it was completely ridiculous .

The Corporations and Politicians saw this Pandemic and thought two things " Money " and " Power Grab " , We could have handled this like any other virus from the Past simply let it run it's course and allow our immune systems to do there jobs.

Now mate I don't know if your paid to troll this site Copy/Pasting your Covid-19 information all over the place or if you actually believe your dribble .

But at the end of the Day you are going to be proved wrong .

Please don't quote the Communist Manifesto at me.

The Pharmacological research and manufacturing industry is expensive to run, as well as being capitalist enterprises. It is divvied up between multiple competing companies and has issues of supply chain as well as delivery. If you look at US spending by industry sectors, the "big pharma" cut of the pie is not that large, either.

If someone wanted just to make money, they could make enormously more distributing goods. The biggest money makers in the US today are Walmart, Amazon and Apple (check it out for yourself).

Think about it, how much does the average US family spends at the supermarket? Every week? Without fail? Compare that to meds, the frequency, and amount spent, it's nothing.

You are totally playing into a false meme about money and wealth that you really have not considered. It was a purely emotional appeal about "greedy anonymous corporates", that actually aren't all greedy (they actually need to turn a profit to stay viable, and that have fairly significant costs involved in doing their business).

This, in a world where there are much bigger and more profitable enterprises, that you don't seem to have thought twice about? For example, how many smaller retailers have been ruined by a Walmart coming to their town, and who, at the top of that company, rakes in the profit, while all the workers get a minimal wage?

America is built on greed and capitalism. Its political system measures everything in dollar terms. If you don't like that, then tough, because it isn't going to go Communist. They have spent centuries indoctrinating citizens against Communism and promoting the fantasy that "anyone can make it good in America". Yet the same rich guys stay rich, and there are very few who break out of the debt into which they are born.

Have you by chance been arsed to look into the lack of effectiveness and also the increase in infection DUE to the vaccine after say a 6 to 10 month period?

a reply to: chr0naut

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

We were ALL caught in the lie for the first few months. Then the sheeple separated from the goats, as it were.
I recall keeping records of cases in my county on a notepad since I was concerned.
Then I realised it was bollocks and didn't need to keep wiping my groceries down.

a reply to: chr0naut

Your not actually from New Zealand are you ?

And yes chr0 I understand how Capitalism works I don't need an explanation mate .

The money they are making up front is nothing compared to the Money they will make in the Long run by establishing Covid-19 Vaccines as Seasonal Vaccines .

Apple , Walmart , Amazon , Google etc all of them can move there money where ever they please investing in Oh say Pharmaceuticals and make untold Billions on the back end decades down the road.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
Have you by chance been arsed to look into the lack of effectiveness and also the increase in infection DUE to the vaccine after say a 6 to 10 month period?

a reply to: chr0naut

The mRNA vaccines only have the RNA strand that codes for the spike protein, a lipid or adenovirus to carry it in to the cell, disinfectants, and adjuvants. The vaccines themselves cannot replicate or cause a virus.

So, everyone who has an infection of the virus does so because they have been exposed to the virus, because nothing else in this world does that.

Now would RNA make people more prone to infection?

Clearly, if it hasn't activated an immune response, then there is no immune response. It is neither weaker, nor stronger.

If there is an immune response, then the immune system will attack the virus.

If the immune response rolls off over time, then it will lapse back towards the state of the immune system prior to being vaccinated. However, long term B and T cells will remain, so some level of immune response will still be there for years.

I don't believe that there is enough epidemiological data yet to determine if mRNA vaccination causes some sort of later lapse in immunity. This is an indicator of the bogus nature of such theories. That someone makes spurious claims about things that cannot possibly have occurred yet in any statistically significant numbers (10 months from February is this month. How could any data have been collected in the time-frame, when such a small percentage of the population were still unvaccinated months after the roll-out started?) is a fairly obvious indicator that it is BS.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

Your not actually from New Zealand are you ?

Nah, I just live here. I was born in Aussie. Southern Beaches NSW.

And yes chr0 I understand how Capitalism works I don't need an explanation mate .

The money they are making up front is nothing compared to the Money they will make in the Long run by establishing Covid-19 Vaccines as Seasonal Vaccines .

Apple , Walmart , Amazon , Google etc all of them can move there money where ever they please investing in Oh say Pharmaceuticals and make untold Billions on the back end decades down the road.

Sure, but investing in the current big players will make waaaay more.

a reply to: chr0naut

Speaking of Australia, just last night I saw the Aussie legislator, MP, whatever, by the name of Alex Antic, who has recently spent 2 weeks in the new prisons there, complete with some photos and videos of life inside the prison camp.

He had not even tested positive, but was sent there. Australia is now a full on police state. He says the bureaucrats have taken over completely. A sad situation, especially given they gave their weapons up many years ago.

originally posted by: chr0naut
The previously linked letter, of grant of approval, is dated August 23 2021. It isn't an amendment to the EUA. The details are in the letter.

Correct. And it isn't actual approval either, they sidestepped all of the normal procedures to get it 'approved'. It is a 'fake' approval.

The use of Cominarty for young children is still under EUA, as the studies have not completed.

And this EUA is strictly ILLEGAL, since there is no emergency with respect to children, they are the least at risk, with a whopping 0.00003% IFR...

No emergency, no EUA. Granting one is absolutely ILLEGAL.

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

Nope, didn't miss their hard sell of a fake approval.

But aside from that, 822,196 Americans have already died of COVID-19.

Most of those were murdered when Governors sent infected people into old folks homes - you know, the ones most vulnerable in our society?

Most of the rest were murdered by the imposed use of remdesivir, a drug that was well known by Anthony Fauci to kill 50+% of those it was used on, with their deaths from symptoms specifically and precisely like those of advanced Covid19.

Go peddle your lies elsewhere...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
The previously linked letter, of grant of approval, is dated August 23 2021. It isn't an amendment to the EUA. The details are in the letter.

Correct. And it isn't actual approval either, they sidestepped all of the normal procedures to get it 'approved'. It is a 'fake' approval.

If they simply sidestepped the approval processes, why did it take so long to happen?

Also, what is fake about a governmental authorizing authority issuing a letter of approval? How is that fake?

Please show some evidence for your opinion.

The use of Cominarty for young children is still under EUA, as the studies have not completed.

And this EUA is strictly ILLEGAL, since there is no emergency with respect to children, they are the least at risk, with a whopping 0.00003% IFR...

Young children can still spread COVID-19. Any initiative to fight a pandemic disease is going to be totally futile if a large proportion of the population can spread it unrestrained.

The emergency relates to a disease that affects the entire population, not just children.

And it does affect children. 1,015 under 17 years old have died in the USA in the last year, of COVID-19.

No emergency, no EUA. Granting one is absolutely ILLEGAL.

In you opinion. The actuality is different.

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

Nope, didn't miss their hard sell of a fake approval.

But aside from that, 822,196 Americans have already died of COVID-19.

Most of those were murdered when Governors sent infected people into old folks homes - you know, the ones most vulnerable in our society?

Most of the rest were murdered by the imposed use of remdesivir, a drug that was well known by Anthony Fauci to kill 50+% of those it was used on, with their deaths from symptoms specifically and precisely like those of advanced Covid19.

Go peddle your lies elsewhere...

The idea that your government, under two different administrations, has been systematically murdering more than three quarters of a million of its citizens in the space of a year, is paranoid and delusional.

Those people have died of a disease that is causing deaths in countries all around the world. Even those countries that are stated enemies of the US administrations.

originally posted by: chr0naut
in reply to: tanstaafl

If they simply sidestepped the approval processes, why did it take so long to happen?

Probably because no one wanted to stick their necks out, because they know that if (when) this gets out, people will hang. Literally.

Also, what is fake about a governmental authorizing authority issuing a letter of approval? How is that fake?

I don't have time to properly research this, but it has to do with the formal approval process, and it simply wasn't followed for this so-called 'approval'.

Believe what you will.

Young children can still spread COVID-19.

While it isn't impossible, the studies that have been done have shown that, far from being super spreaders, children are much, much less likely to spread it. Dramatically much less likely.

Proof? Simple, just look at schools. How many large breakouts have there been? None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

Again, about as far from an 'emergency' as you can get, certainly not qualifying for an EUA.

Also, the POTUS and news services made a big thing about the grant of approval. Did you miss that?

Nope, didn't miss their hard sell of a fake approval.

But aside from that, 822,196 Americans have already died of COVID-19.

Most of those were murdered when Governors sent infected people into old folks homes - you know, the ones most vulnerable in our society?

Most of the rest were murdered by the combination of a) vilifying and actively suppressing cheap effective treatments, and b) imposing remdesivir as the only officially recognized therapeutic, a drug that was well known by Anthony Fauci to kill 50+% of those it was used on, with their deaths from symptoms specifically and precisely like those of advanced Covid19.

So, go peddle your lies elsewhere...

The idea that your government, under two different administrations, has been systematically murdering more than three quarters of a million of its citizens in the space of a year, is paranoid and delusional.

I didn't say the government was doing it. The medical/pharmaceutical industrial complex is doing it. The powers behind the elected officials. Fauci, along with the FDA, the AMA, and the CDC - and the only one of those that is a government agency is the FDA.