If Vitamin B is WATER soluble: if I take a Vit B pill, how long will it stay in my system?

a reply to: dollukka

In the U.S., I thought they put dye in some B complex products. The capsules have a yellow cast to them?

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: dollukka

In the U.S., I thought they put dye in some B complex products. The capsules have a yellow cast to them?

I think that is the Riboflavin that is yellow, and it also makes your pee yellow because the kidneys excrete it and the body does not store it. If you are deficient in Riboflavin your pee does not seem to get so yellow, because it is utilized, but the second supplement starts the excretion as it becomes excess. Even if you eat foods high in Riboflavin, it makes your pee more yellow. in the supplement it also has a little yellowish/burnt orange color

Cloudy yellow pee is a sign of a few conditions, one being long term dehydration. Another is porphyrins excreted in the Urine...if you have an active AIP porphyria going on, the pee changes in color if left in the sunlight for a while, it turns from a brownish tinge to pink. Been there a few times. I eliminated the triggers from my body and haven't had much of a problem with that happening anymore. Certain meds and certain raw cruciferous veggies and other sulfur foods can trigger it, but garlic does not kill vampires, it can actually help them to break down the porphyrins to excrete them. I think onions work better myself. I'm not a vampire, I am not allergic to the sun like my daughter is, I am more of a weremouse.

a reply to: rickymouse
For a long time, I could tell that you have put a lot of time into learning about our biological functions. You are working with a lot of knowledge that most doctors should have learned in med school, but do not apply in their practice. Practicing medicine is really just running tests based on the symptoms and then going with the most likely thing based on the results. Many doctors even have to consult literature before running any tests or making a diagnosis. That is why it often takes a year or even years of trial and error for someone to get a diagnosis. And sadly, only a handful of doctors use a nutrition-based approach and instead go with pharmaceutical interventions right away.

a reply to: dontneedaname

Thanks for sharing. I usually prefer reading over watching a video but found this one presented in an easy to watch way.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: dontneedaname

Thanks for sharing. I usually prefer reading over watching a video but found this one presented in an easy to watch way.

you're welcome. I made it. I don't post C19 stuff that much on ATS...more on Reddit, or communities.win or sending printed packets to officials / corp CEOs or emailing stuff to govt / media.

But I've slacked the last couple of months - was traveling/vacation too. Focusing on other things (Evils of statin drugs)...though I have had plans to send out many more printed stuff to senators, other governors, more airline CEOs - international ones too.

But it takes time & money to do the latter stuff. And I seldom get responses (Printed materials, emails to govt officials), though I think it has made a difference. Plus I'm tired of COVID. Burnt out perhaps after making the video which took a lot of concentrated time over the summer. Plans to cut it up into 1-10 minute chunks....but that has not seen the light of day yet.

a reply to: dontneedaname

I'm far less interested in sars2 than my ATS posting may lead one to believe. I only post whenever I feel the need to insert some facts into the conversation.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: rickymouse
For a long time, I could tell that you have put a lot of time into learning about our biological functions. You are working with a lot of knowledge that most doctors should have learned in med school, but do not apply in their practice. Practicing medicine is really just running tests based on the symptoms and then going with the most likely thing based on the results. Many doctors even have to consult literature before running any tests or making a diagnosis. That is why it often takes a year or even years of trial and error for someone to get a diagnosis. And sadly, only a handful of doctors use a nutrition-based approach and instead go with pharmaceutical interventions right away.

When I started doing research on the medical, metabolic, enzymic, and genetic relationship of food and health, I thought it would take me a year of forty hours a week the most. The first three years, I did do around forty hours a week, a lot of that was learning the terminology I was reading and learning how to apply the definition properlyto what the researchers were saying, Then I did about another five years at around fifty hours minimum a week and started to investigate the genetic links and learned how to properly figure out what it actually meant, the biggest thing I learned with the genetic link is that environmental differences including ancestral eating habit evolution over multiple generations had a great influence on genetic expression and metabolism. I learned that most of those epigenetic factors that cause diseases did not express themselves to cause the disease if the person ate the proper diet for his genetic profile. So too much change in the diet over a generation causes illness risk, those who kept the diet had less risk...but remember we have to include the chemistries added to the food during it's production and distribution. And the changes of the meat chemistry resulting from altering the diet of say a cow does alter its chemistry too. We cannot just look at vitamins, minerals, and proteins.

Too much change too fast and people get sick, the food in the stores is not like the food in the stores when I was a kid. We cannot evolve in one generation to accomodate all the changes in the food we have been eating. I can just imagine the amount of metabolic diseases and the diseases that form from the changes in the metabolism that will occur in the next generation or two, only some Ahmish people and a few others will be left in America. Organic foods are also treated with natural pesticides, those may not be safer than inorganic some times. And the reason our ancestors did not get sick off of some plant chemistries is because they learned how to detox them, most times...that involved cooking them thoroughly to get rid of some chemistries that were not heat stable...chemicals that could clot the blood or cause other health problems if not cooked enough.

Fifteen years later, at at least fifty weeks a year and an average of thirty hours a week over that time and I still have not finished my learning. Being a person who has to have a method of action to verify things or at least multiple research articles and even testing on myself before I can say it is true, I spent a lot of time investigating one type of food extensively, I focused on everything to make my conclusion whether it was good or bad for my genetics...but remember, even if something is bad, there is always something it can be used for as a medical treatment.

Doctors are taught to administer medicines to treat symptoms. Most are trained how to sew up a wound or other procedures, specialists specialize in Surgery or metabolics or certain disease classes, but again, they are taught to treat the symptoms with pharmaceutical meds, not to advise patients what to eat or not what to eat. Celery is good for some people but others cannot eat it, it can cause all sorts of problems for them. Celery has different medical properties in different parts of the plant, the low white part contains more eugenol...pain suppressant, the higher up you go towards the leaves the less eugenol and the more appigenin which is good for cancer treatment by stimulating aptopsis of fast reproducing cells...which also works with virus reproduction. Appigenin is fairly heat stable in soups, maybe up to three hundred degrees, but Eugenol levels are reduced by heat...turning to Appigenin I think. That is just one plant. Now every muscle in a cow is different too, even the lipid profile is different. Not all fat is the same in the same animal. Every different kind of steak or roast has a different protein profile. The round steak is much worse for gout than the chuck steak. What I got side tracked to in those fifteen years by my curiosity is really interesting. I got way better at cooking too because I learned to identify the taste of n-acetyl cysteine and taurine and many other amino acids by buying supplements and learning how to boost the levels in foods and dishes mostly by watching the temperature range and identifying chemistries that boosted the heat stability of these chemistries.

Well, I can create some really tasty foods now and can somewhat create them to fix metabolic issues and inhibit viruses and cancer growth. I have by far did more research on others research than most experts in the fields have done most times, my research is broad, I do not focus on just one property, I research multiple properties of foods to identify if it is good or bad or what it is good or bad for. It is hard with epigenetic differences between ancesral groups, or blends of groups, even having the genetic data doesn't help if I can not comprehend how the change effects the people, unless the researcher has that problem and tests on himself, he cannot comprehend how to apply it properly to treat people in that genetic group. One size definitely does not fit all. I can only give possible solutions that can help people and some people benefit a lot from my suggestions while others have no help. So far very few have had side effects, I try to tell people the side effects to look for with dietary changes and supplements and that is important info to give them. People also expect a supplement to give them immediate relief, it takes usually weeks to notice a change that is noticable, but using a high dose for maybe three days then reducing the dose to a lower amount to slowly fix things works good. Those big supplements you are talking about come in bottles of thirty, you need maybe three to five of them to jumpstart things. I have leftovers I give people to try sometimes to see if there is a benefit for them. If there is then they can go buy some smaller ones. I also inform them at what point to stop when they notice a side effect, and to reduce it to maybe a once a week maintence dose. Most supplements do not help you if you are not deficient.

a reply to: rickymouse

It seems to me that you are more knowledgeable about these subjects than most doctors. Even us MD-PhDs lack much of the knowledge that you appear to have. Personally, I only pursued this line of work because the VA Voc-Rehab continued to approve me for further study, and I was milking it for all I could get. Although that was not my only motivation. I aspired to find a way to prevent, better treat or even cure a disease that I had picked up in the service. I generally try to keep my replies short and concise, a habit I’ve picked up from work, but I will try to give you a response worthy of the time you put into to the one you made to me.

I was perhaps lucky growing up, because although it was not my mother’s main field of study, she took a great interest in nutrition and filled her studies with as many related courses as she could fit in. As a child, my diet was a more traditional one that lacked most of the processed foods that so many others rely on. However, my diet was not so healthy as a young adult and well into my 40s, and I did not revert to a healthier diet until I began to borderline with the common diet-induced illnesses. While fresh fruits, meats, and vegetables are often not the same as they used to be, they are still much better than a diet consisting of the heavily processed stuff that fills grocery stores. I don’t go overboard with organic stuff, and mainly buy regular produce if it’s something that has a peel that we do not eat or that pesticides can be easily washed from. Although, I am now questioning what I buy after finding that extremely high levels of cadmium are turning up in a few samples of spinach. It has me wondering if I should be testing stuff before we eat it. I also try to get milk, dairy, and meat that are free of antibiotics or hormones. I used to think that wild-caught fish was better than farmed fish, but even that is becoming sketchy with the amount of pollution in the water.

I agree that our genetics play a large role in which type of diet we should be following. However, it’s not as simple as looking at our heritage. Even the most pure-bred of us Americans are frequently more mixed than we realize, and many of us, like me, have mistakenly assumed we are of a completely different ancestry than we are. I had always believed that I had Native American heritage from 3 generations back. I was surprised to learn that it was Indian, from India. There must have been a mix up at the adoption agency where my great-grandmother came from.

Ultimately, what we should be eating is dictated by our gut bacteria, which is inherited from our parents. People who lived geologically separated from one another traditionally ate very different diets, and their gut microbiomes evolved accordingly. Even those relatively close in geography often had differing diets. That is why certain ethnicities are more prone to a particular food intolerance than others. That’s also why, even though a diet has long been said to be healthy, it is not always the case for everyone. A genetic test and a gut microbiome test should help a person identify which diet is best for them. I also believe that many of today's health problems are due to our reliance on heavily processed foods. Nobody's gut biome has been really ready for that.

a reply to: rickymouse

I forgot to add my bit about supplements. Doctors will already have a patient with a deficiency take a large dose initially and then take a smaller maintenance dose, as with Vitamin D, for example. 

a reply to: tamusan

When I couldn't work because of the epilepsy I got from a car accident which caused some scarring in my temporal lobe causing TLE, I had to figure out what to do with my time. So, since I was intollerant to all five classes of anti-epileptics they used on me, I figured I would study pharmaceuticals to find what they were based off of, looking at plant chemistry because most are made from that. In my initial trials I evaluated them for effectiveness, asparagus worked well, containing a couple of different chemistries, but it doped me up a lot so I wanted some variety. Plus, if I ate too much asparagus, I got some of the symptoms of one of those medicines that was designed off of similar chemistry, so I found that if I alternated different plant chemistries that the pharmaceudical meds were imitating, I got less side effects. My metabolism has limited amounts of enzymes it makes, and my body does not like altering those enzymes too much so the boosts done by the meds were creating major problems.

I was in Pre-med back in the seventies and quit because of what I saw in the classes, they were training students to follow their path so they could gain wealth and prestige, it was attracting the wrong kind of people to be doctors. Some of the students had enough will power to resist that programming I am sure, but I was not sure that I would not seccume and wind up becoming someone I did not like. So I quit, and I had connections and the scholarships to finish all of the medical school paid for by the scholarships and connections with a person who was high in the AMS in Indiana, he said he could get all of my med school paid. And I quit and went to work for different places, I would get bored after learning the job and move on to a new profession to learn. I learned a real lot of things in my life and can get along with lots of people since I had things in common with so many people.

Since I wanted to be a doctor since I was around twelve, I had been reading medical books since then. The school counselor said I should go into physics or chemistry since my IQ was higher than what most doctors had, but I told him I wanted to help people.....then I found out it was about gaining prestige and wealth and being stuck in neighborhoods full of doctors and high class people...I liked talking to farmers better than lawyers and bank presidents. I grew up talking to people working in regular jobs like flooring mills and county workers and in construction. My early interests did make it easy to talk to doctors, so I had friends who were doctors too.

One thing I did find interesting about the microbe connection in health is that you need special microbes to get nutrition out of the plants, one of the important chemicals needed for health is butyrate. Now cows have lots of microbes in their digestive system that make butyrate, the chemical is in meat, and is highly concentrated in Butter. Cows need to live too, I will let the cows live and consume the butter instead of eating their food.

Doctors do not have the time I have to do research, even if they do have an interest. You have to research both sides of the issue when investigating research into these things, and that takes a lot of time to do. Every thing has positive and negative properties. You have to have an open mind to evaluate this kind of stuff.