Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

a reply to: face23785

This is another problem with these types of stories is most of the reporters aren't even well-versed enough in the subject matter to ask the right questions. This happens a lot with the mass shootings, and then a lot of misinformation gets out there.

To drive that point home, the reporter wasn't aware that revolvers do not eject the casings automatically.

Sheesh!

The AD stated he did see one round without a "hole" in the casing (where the primer would go) and it didn't have a "cap" ( the bullet, I assume) in it. Duh, people, that's a spent round!

Does no one in front of a camera know anything about revolvers and ammo?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: bluemooone2
Do not have a link or copy. Although agenda free TV is reading it now.a reply to: face23785

I was watching him for a while. He was constantly making excuses for Baldwin, and at one point speculated that anyone criticizing Baldwin just doesn't like Baldwin's politics. I'm not inclined to listen to anything he has to say.

It sounds like the media, including him, has gotten their marching orders on how to spin this to try to get Baldwin off the hook.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: face23785

This is another problem with these types of stories is most of the reporters aren't even well-versed enough in the subject matter to ask the right questions. This happens a lot with the mass shootings, and then a lot of misinformation gets out there.

To drive that point home, the reporter wasn't aware that revolvers do not eject the casings automatically.

Sheesh!

The AD stated he did see one round without a "hole" in the casing (where the primer would go) and it didn't have a "cap" ( the bullet, I assume) in it. Duh, people, that's a spent round!

Does no one in front of a camera know anything about revolvers and ammo?

TheRedneck

The more you learn, the more irresponsible they sound. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't kill anyone sooner.

Some of these dummy rounds look very very real , just a small hole in the cap.

a reply to: bluemooone2

Exactly right! The only way to verify a dummy round is to look at the primer location. If there's something metallic there, it's not a dummy round.

Some use plastic plugs (to save wear on the firing pin), but these are brightly colored and impossible to mistake.

ETA: Just to be clear, those look like .45 ACP rounds, not .45 Colt. The primer spot is still correct, but a .45 Colt is much larger (longer, to hold more powder) and has a "ledge" around the end to allow the rounds to be pushed out of the cylinder after firing. An indention ring like is shown there indicates a round intended for a semi-automatic weapon.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Just to illustrate what I was talking about before with people who don't know enough to even ask the right questions, I was talking to a friend about this earlier and she asked me how he shot two people with one bullet. Apparently she wasn't aware that bullets can pass through people. When I explained that to her, her response was that "Oh so it must have been a high capacity gun."

Obviously she meant high power, since capacity has nothing to do with whether the gun can fire rounds through a person. After I straightened that out, I then explained that whether the bullet can pass through a person isn't necessarily strictly a function of the "power" of the caliber of the gun, it's a combination of barrel length, type of ammo, distance from the victim, where it hit the person, the person's body composition, even what type of clothes they were wearing, etc., and that ballistics are extremely complicated in real-world situations.

She tapped out at that point.

ETA: And that's okay that people don't know much about guns. There are subjects I don't know much about either. But I don't go around trying to impose my uninformed beliefs about such subjects on other people. To her credit, she didn't try to argue with me or anything, she just acknowledged she was over her head and didn't seem interested in learning more so I stopped.

a reply to: face23785

Just like a lot of people think if one gets shot, they automatically die unless someone "saves" them through a medical miracle or something. No. A person certainly can die from a gunshot wound, but it depends on where they are shot, the type of ammo (not necessarily the caliber... the most dangerous bullets known are used for hunting to make a clean kill), the range, and even the person's general health. A bullet simply punches a hole through whatever it hits. The thing that makes it deadly is that most people are not immune to having random holes punched through their body.

It's the modern version of stoning... faster "stones," smaller "stones," "stones" that have the perfect shape maybe, but still the same basic idea.

But no, shot someone in the foot, and as long as you can get the bleeding stopped, they'll survive.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

I think the whole cheap movie was a setup alibi for, murder. Too many folks were screaming it was unsafe and walked off. They saw what was building up.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

I know. I was asking for opinions on here.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

I know. I was asking for opinions on here.

Apparently on the news conference? We've been discussing that since page 38. I'm not sure how many new opinions you're going to get specifically in response to your post, since the thread is dying and those of us left have already said what we think. You might be better off just responding to what one of us have already said. What's your opinion? Do you agree, disagree, why?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

Not argue, as I respect all your comments in this thread. However it looks like it's passed from opinion to fact according to the sheriff.

The sheriff added that a "lead projectile" was recovered from Mr Souza's shoulder and handed over as evidence, as was the firearm, which was fired by Mr Baldwin, and the spent shell casings.

TRN
You mentioned the director saying he saw a casing in the revolver. (Paraphrasing)" it had metal in the center, but no cap. "

If this was before the shooting, it meant that somebody had fired a live round on the set before the accident. Meaning they had already dodged a bullet during earlier filming. You can only do that so many times before the Dodge turns into a direct hit.

If the AD could not identify a spent round inside a real firearm, he had no business having one in his hands let alone handing it to anyone else.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

I know. I was asking for opinions on here.

Apparently on the news conference? We've been discussing that since page 38. I'm not sure how many new opinions you're going to get specifically in response to your post, since the thread is dying and those of us left have already said what we think. You might be better off just responding to what one of us have already said. What's your opinion? Do you agree, disagree, why?

Scuse me. This is new. Just asking. FFS.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TheRedneck

Opinions?

BBC News - Alec Baldwin Rust shooting: Actor fired live round, police say
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bro there's 40 pages of opinions.

I know. I was asking for opinions on here.

No surprise to me, I have pretty much guessed how this went down, close to the start, including the firearm used. When I heard, the pistol was being fired in off hours by crew, and live ammo stored in same area as blanks and dummy rounds..yikes, almost a slam dunk at that point. It took 3 levels of failure, for this to happen..crazy inexcusable.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Alec Baldwin was likely in damage control mode before the sound of the shot died off. There's a pic going around purportedly showing him on the phone just after the shooting. Now, presumably he is calling 911, but

Probably not 911. Probably the studio, the EPs, or his agent, someone else higher up. Or several of them.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Opinions?

I didn't see much new info. Baldwin fired a live round into Hutchins from a .45 Colt revolver, on a set where there wasn't supposed to be any live ammo, but where people were reportedly using set weapons to target shoot after hours. No one has filed charges yet, but no one is ruling them out either. A bunch of legal experts (friends of Baldwin?) are claiming there won't be any charges to try and protect him.

Same thing we have been discussing for a while.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Skyman65

You mentioned the director saying he saw a casing in the revolver. (Paraphrasing)" it had metal in the center, but no cap. "

If this was before the shooting, it meant that somebody had fired a live round on the set before the accident.

That info came from the Steve Lookner podcast that was linked earlier. It was from a search warrant application he was able to get hold of.

The inspection where Dave Halls saw a lack of a "hole" in the "side of the casing" (a primer in the end of the casing) and no "cap" (bullet) in the other end of the casing was just after the shooting. Those were the words of the AD. Apparently he has never seen a spent round, possibly never seen a live round period. But he was responsible for safety on the set. Not sure why, but he was.

I doubt the armorer was able to do much better.

Education, education, education... and if that doesn't work, try education.

TheRedneck

a reply to: SirHardHarry

Or a good lawyer/PR agent.

TheRedneck

a reply to: oldme

Sorry it took so long to reply to this.

I do feel that people that work/worked in the biz (any dept) are unfairly judged as a collective 100% group vs. judging each person as an individual for their pros/cons.

I don't think it is just the fact that one is in the entertainment industry that causes the judgement. I think it is the fact that so many actors use their high profile status to arrogantly tell other about things they know nothing about.

Acting is a talent. An actor who excels deserves praise for their work. But so does a plumber, an electrician, a teacher, a welder, of any number of other professions. Those other professions, though, do not benefit from the economy of scale that actors can take advantage of. Well-known actors can make ungodly amounts of money... often more for a single film than others make in an entire lifetime!

Now, I know that level of starlight doesn't shine on everyone... it's a small percentage. But who gets the attention? The lucky ones. So that's what the public sees. The extreme wealth is not in itself a problem, but then when these silver spoons begin to use that wealth and stardom to literally try to harm others (yes, gun control would literally harm me), those others will always rise up in spite against the attempts.

The ire you are expecting is directed not at you, but at those I described above. Personally, I admire your talents. I admire Baldwin's talents too... but I despise his attitudes towards people like me, and I despise his arrogance in assuming he knows things he literally is dumb as a rock at... like guns.

So don't worry about posting because you worked in the movies. It's just a job, like any other, albeit sometimes a very recognizable one. There's going to be haters everywhere one goes, especially across the Internet... but I, for one anyway, do not begrudge you one bit what you have done with your life. Indeed, I applaud it.

I just also applaud others in other positions who have succeeded.

TheRedneck