Follow the "Science" ...

In this case, scare quotes are entirely appropriate.

So yesterday I was reading a link to a website called Healthy Skeptic, and in the comments, I saw someone reference the idea that the CDC's "new data" on vaccine effectiveness and breathrough infections was at least partially based on an Indian study following vaccinated folks in India who had been vaccinated with Indian vaccines, not even ones used in the US.

I mentioned it as a rumor I'd heard.

But it turns out .... it's true.

Congressman Crenshaw tracked it down. It turns out that not only did the CDC use a study done on Indian healthcare workers vaccinated with an Indian-made vaccine instead of any of the American use ones, but the same study was *rejected* by peer review!

You can read Crenshaw's own Twit thread on it here.

And ... when asked about it, the only response is that people who are vaccinated and get infected show high levels of viral load indicating they can infect others, but there is nothing about the likelihood of an individual being infected to begin with.

I will refer you all back to this from ABC news, published just 3 days ago.

With more than 156 million Americans fully vaccinated, nationwide, approximately 153,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases are estimated to have occurred as of last week, representing approximately 0.098% of those fully vaccinated, according to an unpublished internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document obtained by ABC News. These estimates reflect only the adult population and do not include asymptomatic breakthrough infections.

So basically, internal CDC data on the American vaccines ... in the US, shows a vanishingly small rate of infection in the vaccinated.

This is why they're using a study on people in India who weren't even vaccinated with American use vaccines that failed peer review to justify their mandates. They can't get the numbers they want with any other "science".

The CDC has been an absolute inept disaster since day 1

Theres a 50/50 infection rate in England currently,although it needs adjusting due to lower unvac numbers
still an eye brow raiser
There are a ton of folks now worried about their vac choice

originally posted by: all2human
The CDC has been an absolute inept disaster since day 1
completely asleep at the wheel.

The CDC has been an absolute disaster since day 1
completely complicit at the wheel. Using Go ogle GPS of course.

CDC take orders from big pharma we all know this, is no even a secret anymore, they are now the arm of the DNC and the lap dogs of Pharma.

Soo everything CDC does is either politically motivated or to support the big pharma agenda.

Sadly we the people and the "volunteer mandated test subjects" will be the victims of all this tyranny.

a reply to: ketsuko

They can makeup whatever numbers they like, when you control the narrative and the majority gobble it up without question why bother with real statistical analysis.

“Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”

Scientific evidence shows me that the majority of the money from this pandemic is going to Pharma and research institutes that are supplying doom porn about this virus. I wonder when the American people are going to have to start paying the debt that is piling up because of this fearmongering and overexpression of the disease.

a reply to: ketsuko




Yep breakthrough over 100k that's not breakthrough that's failure to perform.

a reply to: BlackArrow

100,000 out of the entire vaccinated population? That's a tiny drop in the bucket. Even if most places are sitting right at 40% vaccinated:

40% of 350,000,000 is 140,000,000. So, 100,000 out of 140,000,000 is 0.071% of the total vaccinated population.

So let's go back to the internal CDC documents that ABC reported on and give them the more generous 0.098% of the total vaccinated population suffered a breakthrough infection. That is still and extraordinarily low chance of infection - 7 in 10,000 vaccinated people.

a reply to: ketsuko



.....And the " Science " Leads to....................

www.oom2.com...

The CDC big pharma lap dogs are no using science, they are creating their own science, in order to push for their miracle treatments they are trying to prove that they can create a synthetic immune booster that can work better than your natural body.

a reply to: ketsuko

Im not sure that acceptance, or rejection, through peer review means all that much anymore. There are social, economic, and political pressures that will absolutely skew the process. Can you imagine if a study came out that went against the Narrative?

In this case, the reasoning seems solid.. But then it runs into some downstream number mangling.

Calculating "vaccinated infected" as a derivative of the raw number of "vaccinated" is the same silliness we saw with calculating deaths vs the entire population.

To yield a useful number, we would want to see the percentage of "vaccinated infected" as a derivative of only those who have come into contact with the pathogen in a meaningful way. AFAIK, there is no way to actually track this other than testing those who go in for medical care. A bit more meaningful comparison to "vaccinated infected/total vaccinated" might also be the number of "unvaccinated infected" as a derivative of the entire unvaccinated population.

In that, we would be relying on testing in the medical system instead. There, we would need to make certain we are limiting variables to the greatest degree possible. i.e. The exact same testing procedures used across the board (amplification cycles, etc.). We havent seen that happen at any point during any of this.

One would hope that the vaccine(s) has some sort of beneficial impact on severity of symptoms, at the very least. However, we see that even this is examined in a vacuum; it is not compared against other treatments or anything like that. And capacity percentages in the medical system will look much worse after so long of a weakening of the apparatus coupled with misleading incentives.

My biggest concerns with it would be aspects like virus interference and vaccine escape. The lack of efficacy of tje vaccines regarding new variants could suggest that the vaccines themselves played a role in their creation. Even so, these are aspects that can very, very easily be blamed on the "unvaccinated heretics" regardless of veracity or accuracy.

The more we see shenanigans like using the Indian study to yield desired results.. The less faith and trust I have in any of it. And those are already quite low.