Let's Talk About Apohpis 2029

Hello, ATS.

I remember back when there was worry of an immeninent strike by the Asteroid Apophis in 2029 or 2036( apparently it comes close to Earth every 7 years on average). Apophis is really big at 1,115 feet across. If something that big hit Earth travelling at speeds of 72,000 mph or whatevr speed it's travelling then it would cause serious damage. However, according to this new data as stated in the article, Apophis has no chance of impacting Earth for at least the next 100 years. Ok, great! So, why am I writing this post? It's because i have a question.................

In 2029, Apophis will come dangerously close to Earth!

The 2029 pass of asteroid Apophis. The April 13, 2029, encounter of Apophis with Earth will be extremely close. At its closest in 2029, Apophis will sweep at about 10% of the Earth-moon distance. That’s very close for a space rock over 1,115 ft (340 meters) across!

If Apophis does come dangerously close but doesn't strike Earth could the pull of its gravity still have any effect on Earth's oceans, causing massive tidal waves, or earthquakes, or volcano eruptions, etc. In the article it does say that Earth's gravity could affect the spin of Apophis but I'm wondering if the pull of Apophis on Earth could cause some damage...? What do you guys think? Could a close flyby of something as big as Apophis be as dangerous to life on Earth as an actual impact? What say you, ATS?

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a reply to: lostbook

The asteroid would have negligible impact on the Earth by flying by.

Even if it did impact, the damage, while devastating, would be limited regionally.

a reply to: lostbook

Yaayyy doom pron!

If Apophis does come dangerously close but doesn't strike Earth could the pull of its gravity still have any effect on Earth's oceans, causing massive tidal waves, or earthquakes, or volcano eruptions, etc. In the article it does say that Earth's gravity could affect the spin of Apophis but I'm wondering if the pull of Apophis on Earth could cause some damage...? What do you guys think? Could a close flyby of something as big as Apophis be as dangerous to life on Earth as an actual impact? What say you, ATS?

All great possibilities, I would be afraid if it caused earth and moon's gravity in relation to our sun. Fear of earth getting pulled into the sun... or off the axis of it's orbit around the sun getting dangerously close to it.😣

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

Are you really sure? I would think the damage would be devastating.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Someone had to bring some good ol' fashion DOOM PORN back to ATS. I'm tired of politics.

originally posted by: lostbook
a reply to: Bigburgh

Someone had to bring some good ol' fashion DOOM PORN back to ATS. I'm tired of politics.

Look who just read this post.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Ha-ha! I love it! The ultimate purveyor of Doom Porn reading my ATS post! Truly an honor!

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

The impact could send tons of debris into orbit blocking out the sun worldwide for probably months, killing crops and disrupting geological systems I would think. What information do you have that makes you think we'd be ok even if there was an impact?

originally posted by: lostbook
What do you guys think? Could a close flyby of something as big as Apophis be as dangerous to life on Earth as an actual impact? What say you, ATS?

Everybody should have learned about the inverse-square law in high school.

An object 10% as far away as the moon will have 100 times the gravitational influence.

So, simply take the moon's mass and divide by 100 to see what mass an object at 10% of the moon's distance would need to have to give the same gravitational effect as the moon.

The moon's mass is 7.34 x 10^22 kg

So if Apophis had a mass 1/100 of that or 7.34 x 10^20 kg, the gravitational effect would be about the same as the moon. (So depending on exactly where it passed it could either double the moon's gravitational effect, or cancel it, or anything between).

But the mass of Apophis is estimated to be about 12 billion times smaller than that.

So the gravitational effect of Apophis will be roughly twelve billion times smaller than the gravitational effect of the moon, where it passes 10% of the distance from Earth's center to the moon, assuming our mass estimate is about right. Even if our mass estimate is pretty far off, I don't see much doom porn there.

In 2029, Apophis will come dangerously close to Earth!

19,800 miles is not dangerously close. Unless you are a satellite in geosynchronous orbit.

Remember my words. The elite will use it for their agenda like they use the COVID 19 crisis today.

a reply to: Trueman

Yeah. Just like with Nibiru and 2012!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Trueman

Yeah. Just like with Nibiru and 2012!

Nope, Nibiru not real. Apophis is real.

a reply to: Trueman

Nope, Nibiru not real. Apophis is real.

There are plenty who would disagree about Nibiru. There are plenty who say there is no COVID crisis.

Ok, so the ATS wizards have spoken! No worries about Apophis when it's at it's closest approach in 2029...? Billionares and Millionaires are trying to get off Earth starting with Elon Musk for Mars, and the Space Hotel they're trying to build. Maybe they're leaving for domestic reasons? Whatever the case, it gives me alarm bells.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Trueman

Nibiru not real.

There are plenty who would disagree.

Well, Apophis could be Nibiru worn out.

a reply to: lostbook

Elon will not be going to Mars any time soon, nor will any other human. Not without having real problems with radiation exposure.
A space hotel in orbit would be in greater danger than any place on the surface.

originally posted by: lostbook
Ok, so the ATS wizards have spoken! No worries about Apophis when it's at it's closest approach in 2029...? Billionares and Millionaires are trying to get off Earth starting with Elon Musk for Mars, and the Space Hotel they're trying to build. Maybe they're leaving for domestic reasons? Whatever the case, it gives me alarm bells.

They are not leaving. There is no people to control in Mars. But it'll be nice to have them out of here.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: lostbook

Elon will not be going to Mars any time soon, nor will any other human. Not without having real problems with radiation exposure.
A space hotel in orbit would be in greater danger than any place on the surface.

Always keeping me grounded in reality, Phage. It does still worry me a little though. Long live Doom Porn! Lol

a reply to: lostbook

It is way too small to affect our orbit but large enough that if it ever does hit the earth it will cause massive damage perhaps even ELE level's of damage though much more likely significantly less than an ELE event it would still likely be a civilization destroying or altering event.

I assume the scientists know what they are talking about or else they would be scaremongering in order to gain more funding and in fact some of them are probably furious with those that have said it will not hit for this very reason.

But what about human interaction with the object, what if China to use the boogy man of the day or somebody else sent a small engine to land on the rock, alter it's trajectory ever so slightly perhaps by using an open nuclear furnace and an automated surface mining device to vaporise a part of the rock and use the thrust that would provide to alter it's heading?, what if they weaponized it and aimed it at there perceived enemy's?.

What if a greedy corporation decided that there was something of value on this piece of space debris and thought that bringing it into a permanent orbit were they could mine it was a good idea and that went wrong?.


Oh the science fiction possibility's are endless and the potential science fact possibility's are just as endless.


Phage as usual makes an excellent point about Mars, one possibility and it is a long shot is a magnetic bubble but how affective that would be makes it doubtful, another idea is to go subterranean on the Martian surface finding the best areas to build such a base and using automated systems to do so before we ever send astronauts on such a long journey, meanwhile we have to protect them on the flight itself as once they are outside of the earths magnetosphere they are likely to be prone to all manner irradiation.

One idea for such a long flight would be to take a large asteroid, something like for example Phobos but another Phobos from the asteroid belt, hollow it out and use the surface as an open cast mine while self anchoring and moving crawlers with nuclear fusion reactors would mine away the rock on it's surface and use it as fuel to vaporize in there nuclear reactors then use the resulting high pressure plasma as a source of thrust, meanwhile deep within the asteroid ship protected by the thick iron nickel rich material from which it is made the human crew would be at least partially sheltered on there journey.

Of course such a process would leave strane linear tracks pock marked by period craters on the surface of such a rock and in millions of years when future primitives look up and see it for the first time through there primitive probes they will be somewhat bewildered then explain those track's away as natural process, bounding rock's etc.
phobos.space...