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After Trump, whither ATS?

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posted on Jan, 26 2021 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: panoz77


Do you think the aliens are apolitical?

political dimension


Is this like the 5th or 6th dimension? You must be on the wrong timeline. Are you a time traveler?



posted on Jan, 26 2021 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: panoz77

Yes. The past is another country, they say.

But anything to the point? So far we seem to be arguing about protocol rather than addressing the question.

What's your, ah, vision for ATS?



edit on 26/1/21 by Astyanax because: panem



posted on Jan, 26 2021 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax
#resistbiden



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: panoz77


#resistbiden

How sad. A vibrant, complex web site dealing with a multitude of subjects reduced to one-dimensional fringe politics.

Frankly, you appear to be part of the problem the site currently faces.



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

You see a problem, I see a solution.



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: panoz77
Reducing everything to left/right politics is going to solve ATS' problem of the overabundance of left/right political threads?

How exactly would that work?

edit on 27-1-2021 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: underwerks

A left winger starts a whiny thread about the right and you whine about the right and call them whiners.

You can't make this up. 🙄


And a right winger whining about left wingers whining about right wingers.

America in a nutshell


A non-American whining about a right winger whining about a left winger whining about right wingers.

ATS in a nutshell. And the wheels keep spinning.





posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: LSU2018
And that is what this thread is about, is all this wheel spinning going to cause ATS to run out of gas?



edit on 27-1-2021 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

By making people like you give up and go back to your twitter and facebook echochambers.



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks

Hopefully it’ll get back to UFOs and paranormal stuff. As of now it’s just right wingers whining. Look at the responses so far. I feel sorry for the people who bought ATS if that’s all this place has to offer anymore.


The left whines for 4 years non-stop and you say this and it isn't even 7 days into Biden's Presidency? Very strange I said that isn't it..."Biden's Presidency" and not "He is not my President" like the left would say...lol



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: panoz77

Give what up, wanting all the old topics without the political slant? How is that going to take ATS back to how it was before?



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: panoz77
a reply to: daskakik

By making people like you give up and go back to your twitter and facebook echochambers.


Apparently ATS has sold. I don't think it will remain a rightwing echochamber for much longer.



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: panoz77

Give what up, wanting all the old topics without the political slant? How is that going to take ATS back to how it was before?



We are progressives here at ATS. Make ATS great again? Are you a Trump supporter or something? You want to go back to the way it was, us progressives want to move into the future. PROGRESS!!!



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: panoz77
Lame.

Will ATS return to the way it was now that Trump is gone, is the topic of the thread, which is why your solution is not a solution to the question at hand.

ETA: Come to think of it, I can't even figure out why you would think making everything political solves anything.

edit on 27-1-2021 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: panoz77
Lame.

Will ATS return to the way it was now that Trump is gone, is the topic of the thread, which is why your solution is not a solution to the question at hand.

ETA: Come to think of it, I can't even figure out why you would think making everything political solves anything.


What are you trying to solve? Democrats don't believe in history unless it is revisionist history. Why in the world would you want to go back to the way things use to be. That is contrary to progress. That's simply bigoted thinking on your part.



posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: panoz77
Another lame attempt at making things political.

The OP just stated that they liked ATS before it became overly political and was wondering if it would return to that now the Trump is no longer in office or if it will continue as is.

In one post he said you were part of the reason that the site has turned into what it has. You said you didn't see a problem but a solution.

You don't even seem to understand what the thread is about so it isn't hard to see that your reply about problem/solution really didn't touch on the matter being discussed.


(post by panoz77 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jan, 27 2021 @ 06:30 PM
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posted on Jan, 28 2021 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Thanks for trying to help the thread get back on topic.

Perhaps, though, there isn't anything to be done, or anything to discuss. It may well be that ATS -- and I have posted this thought before, in other threads, as an opinion -- is irreparably broken.

The ATS operational model involved taking conspiracy theories, no matter how improbable, absurd, slanderous or dangerous, seriously. We gave them credence by discussing them in the same way other forums might discuss movies, or science, or fishing... or politics. The barrier between fantasy and reality here was always thin, at times permeable -- which is why ATS has harboured several shooters and other dangerously unstable characters over the years.

When a political movement based on conspiracy theories took America in its grip, ATS was uniquely vulnerable. The result is what we see around us here today. One of these consequences is that the site is now on life support, waiting for some kind of transaction to be finalized -- after which, who knows what will happen?

Uncertainty about ATS’s future opens up a whole field of speculation. And ATS members, even in these latter days, are speculators par excellence. I thought a thread on this topic would be welcome. Instead, it seems that a large number of active members (quite possibly the majority) have no stomach for discussing the future of the site. All they want, or can imagine, is more of the same.

More of the same will kill ATS. Yet here we are, listening to a bunch of Trumpists blowing their stacks over the very thought of questioning the future of the site. Charming.

edit on 28/1/21 by Astyanax because: of an edit.



posted on Jan, 28 2021 @ 07:01 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

a reply to: Astyanax
Personally, I don't think it's a question of members not having "stomach for discussing the future of the site", it's more a question of why, as discussing it is irrelevant regarding what will happen in the future.

Why I think it's irrelevant? Because ATS is the result of what people post on any specific day, so what happened yesterday will dictate what people discuss today.

I agree that politics is the main topic on ATS (and has been for some years), but that's just because that's what people want to talk about. Will it remain the main topic? I'm sure it will, as I don't think the political situation in the US, the country of origin of most ATS members, is going to change in the near future, as divisions are easier to spread and take longer to "cure" than unity, so politics will always be a source of discussion.

People react to what happens around them and from what affects them the most, and, for better or worse, a country's government affects the life of all it's citizens and, according to the "weight" of that country in the world, it also affects the life of people in other countries.

It's more or less what is happening with many companies around the world during this CoViD-19 pandemic, they diversify the products and services they sell because the demand has changed, with companies that, for example, sold computer parts, now also selling masks and disinfectant. Will those companies close when this crisis is over? No, they will return to what they did before, and, if things in the US return to a more "normal" state regarding politics (which I doubt will happen in the next few years, as a people divided is easier to control) so will people will be back to the more alternative topics (I'm not considering political conspiracies as alternative topics).

As a kind of PS, I love statistics, so I am always trying to look for data on how people use ATS, and, based on the number of new posts in each forum, I could see that the most active forums in the period from July 2019 to July 2020 were the political related forums, with the Political Mud Pit being the most active forum. If we look at the 2012-2013 period, the most active forum was... US Political Madness, so even the people were more interested in politics.
The alternative topics forum most active in 2012-2013 was the Aliens & UFOs forum, and it was the fourth most active forum. In the 2019-2020 period the Aliens & UFOs forum was still the most active alternative forum, but in fifth.
Another non-alternative forum that had an increase in popularity was the Social Issues and Civil Unrest
forum, that from eighth in 2012-2013 "climbed" to fourth in 2019-2020, overtaking the Aliens & UFOs forum, so, although people are still interested in alternative topics, everyday life appears to be more of a worry than it was some years ago.

In conclusion, as long as people like to discuss things with each other I don't think places like ATS will disappear. Yes, the main topics may change as the world around us changes, but people don't change that much, so I don't see a great difference in the coming years, only differences in personal views.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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