Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: turbonium1

You

To go up into air, requires an external force acting on them,

You mean like this?

Doesn’t gravity violate the first law of thermodynamics, since it creates energy in the form of kinetic energy?

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No it does not as a falling object is converting gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy. The total amount of energy remains the same.

If there is no downward force, then why do elevators have to do more work than what is accounted for by friction?

And why does an elevator car above the earth have potential energy?

And if there is no downward force, why do elevators have brakes that use the force of friction to balance out the downward force of gravity?

a reply to: turbonium1

Your still not explaining this…

In your delusion of no downward force. How does a brick thrown straight up slow down and stop like a soccer ball on grass. But unlike a stopped soccer ball with no other external forces, how does the brick on its own change direction, accelerate, pickup speed down into the media that you claimed removed momentum.

a reply to: turbonium1

I’ll give you a hint. There is this whole field and science of ballistics that proves your full of crap.

a reply to: turbonium1

One of the things your bad about is ignoring context how items are often simplified for physics 101, or when something is going to be designed with a 10 percent safety factor.

Anyway…

equation above, g is referred to as the acceleration of gravity. Its value is 9.8 m/s2 on Earth. That is to say, the acceleration of gravity on the surface of the earth at sea level is 9.8 m/s2.

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I am guilty of this too. But most people forget the little caveat “at sea level”

Standard sea-level conditions

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Standard sea-level conditions (SSL),[1] also known as sea-level standard (SLS), defines a set of atmospheric conditions for physical calculations. The term "standard sea level" is used to indicate that values of properties are to be taken to be the same as those standard at sea level, and is done to define values for use in general calculations.

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At SSL some atmospheric properties are:[2]

Pressure, P = 101.325 kPa ⇔ 2116.2 lbf/ft2 ⇔ 14.696 lbf/in2 ⇔ 29.92 inHg
Density,
ρ
rho = 1.225 kg/m3 ⇔ 0.002377 slug/ft3
Temperature, T = 15 °C ⇔ 288.15 K ⇔ 518.67 °R
Gas constant of air, Rair = 287.057 J/(kg·K) ⇔ 1716.59 ft·lb/sl·°R)
Specific Weight,
γ
gamma = 12.014 N/m3 ⇔ 0.07647 lbf/ft3
Dynamic viscosity,
μ
mu = 1.789×10−5 Pa·s ⇔ 3.737×10−7 slug/(s·ft)
Acceleration of gravity, g0 = 9.807 m/s2 ⇔ 32.174 ft/s2
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a reply to: turbonium1

So. Is there enough proof, evidence, and practical applications the earth is spherical, and there is gravity? After 160 plus pages in this thread alone?

Or you just going to keep spreading your delusions based on lies and misconceptions on your part? With your delusional model having no explanation for something as basic as tides?

Anyway…

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Don’t want this to get lost..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Now turbo. Don’t change the subject and move goalposts.

Your original statement “ The bottom part of the ship doesn't 'vanish' at all!”





Your just a sore loser

If you move through the whole video, the zoomed ship moves far enough out the curvature of the earth eventually completely blocks the ship physically from view.

——-you mean like how the video starts zoomed out showing the seascape. Zoomed in to find the ship. Then stays on the ship until the ships streams out and increasingly becomes blocked physically from view by the curvature of the earth until it is completely blocked from view.

a reply to: turbonium1

You still ignoring this? Really?

Demonstrable proof the earth is spherical.

TONGA VOLCANO ERUPTION SHOCK WAVES DETECTED IN CHICAGO

abc7chicago.com...

"The eruption was so powerful that the waves actually propagated all the way around the globe and then back again," meteorologist Gino Izzi said.

What roles are density and air playing here turbo:

originally posted by: neutronflux
You do realize how big the earth is? Right? And how small even 1000 feet over the earth is compared to the size of the earth?

Anyway. This was posted for you once already..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You mean something like this when one get past physics 101?

Effect of the altitudinal variation of the gravitational acceleration on the thermosphere simulation

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[2] The thermosphere is a complex and externally-forced deterministic system [Forbes, 2007]. These forces include solar EUV radiation [Rishbeth et al., 2000], high-latitude electrodynamics [Killeen and Roble, 1988], particle precipitation [Akasofu, 1976] and waves propagating from the lower atmosphere [Hines, 1967]. In the last several decades, many modeling efforts have been made to improve to our understanding of this complex thermosphere system. Some of the well-known global thermospheric models are the Thermosphere Ionosphere Electrodynamic General Circulation Model (TIEGCM) and its predecessors [Richmond, 1992; Roble et al., 1988; Dickinson et al., 1984, 1981], Coupled Thermosphere Ionosphere Model (CTIM) [Fuller-Rowell and Rees, 1980, 1983; Rees and Fuller-Rowell, 1988, 1990].

[3] In many GCMs, the gravitational acceleration (equation image) is set to be a constant in a hydrostatic atmosphere. With this assumption, the column mass density between two pressure levels (ΔP) is constant (ρΔz = −equation image), where ρ is the mass density and Δz is the altitude difference between two pressure levels. The continuity equation in the pressure coordinates can be simplified as the divergence of the velocity (equation image) equals to zero (∇ · equation image = 0) [Holton, 1992] assuming hydrostatic equilibrium and constant gravity. The constant equation image assumption is valid in the low-middle atmosphere models since the vertical extent of the low-middle atmosphere is only several tens of kilometers, resulting in only a 1% error in the specification of equation image. However, in the upper atmosphere, where the altitude range covers several hundred kilometers (100–500 km), the decrease of the gravitational acceleration with altitude may not be negligible, and can impact the thermosphere through changing the scale height (H = equation image, where k is the Boltzmann constant, T is the temperature, m is the mean molecular mass and g is the gravitational acceleration). In order to more accurately simulate the thermosphere, an altitude-dependent equation image should be used in GCMs. However, it may not be easy for the models using pressure coordinates to change to the altitude-dependent equation image, since the mass conservation between pressure levels would not be valid any more and the continuity equation would need to be reformulated [Holton, 1992].

If you missed it…

“The constant equation image assumption is valid in the low-middle atmosphere models since the vertical extent of the low-middle atmosphere is only several tens of kilometers, resulting in only a 1% error in the specification of equation image.”

"...only several tens of kilometers..."[/i]!!

In other words, all the proven to exist air!

Once again, they make up the rest of it, which - by amazing coincidence - is where 'gravity' DOES vary in strength!!

The whole thing is BS. Forces are always stronger near their sources, and weaker away from their sources. Knowing their magical force does NOT vary in strength in air, they simply claim this is 'only' a small section of air, and that MOST of the air, or 'atmosphere', exists ABOVE it, then claim THAT is where their magical force weakens in strength!

It's so easy to make up things that don't exist, and claim they DO exist, and somehow, ALWAYS account for their fairy tale claims!

'Sure, it doesn't vary in strength over THAT part of air, it varies over the air ABOVE it, which is a much, much LARGER an area of air, or atmosphere', than what is actually proven to exist!'


You never seem to notice that all of their 'answers' and claims, are about things NOBODY CAN EVER PROVE OR CONFIRM AS TRUE?

Nobody can prove 'gravity' exists, but they claim it holds the moon in place, 250,000 miles away.

Here's what they tell us...

'Stars are all trillions of miles away, so if you magnify them, you can only see them as tiny points of light, when 'in focus'. If they show unique movement, and sharp details, and OTHER stars have DIFFERENT movement and details, then you are NOT 'focused' on them correctly, since they are all trillions of miles away, so they are only 'tiny points of light', when magnified!'

How did they 'calculate' stars were trillions of miles away?

By seeing how stars moved relative to other stars nearby, which is true, confirmed as true, they had to twist it around for their fairy tale.

They had already fooled people into believing that the Earth was a ball, speeding through endless 'space. After that, it was very, very easy to make up all the rest of it, and everyone would believe that, too!

So after they made up a ball Earth, they could make it have an 'orbit', where things go AROUND the ball Earth, or go further up, into 'space', and to the moon!

Having an 'orbit', they can make it ANY size they want, and they wanted it to fit their story, of stars trillions of miles away. And, since stars change relative position above Earth, they made an 'orbit' for Earth, for stars being trillions of miles away, after they ALSO claimed that stars were massive in size, like our Sun is (which they also made up), and this is how stars became 'trillions of miles away'!

A lie, supporting other lies, which support MORE lies, so after hundreds of lies, support one another, it's all 'true', since they all 'confirm' each other!

This tactic is how they fooled everyone, and still do, about their absurd fairy tale story.


What an amazing coincidence that 'gravity' is the only force that cannot be proven, or demonstrated, or that acts in ANY way, like every OTHER force does!

Truly a magical force, it has super-powers that no other force could even DREAM of possessing!

And, since it doesn't even exist, nor is there any PROOF that it exists, it transforms into an UNLIMITED problem solver!


What we can ACTUALLY see from Earth, and what we can ACTUALLY measure, is simply twisted and hijacked into their own fairy tale story. That makes it seem legit, and authentic. Nobody cares about what the rate of acceleration is, since it is not relevant to them. Who cares about how high up the air reaches, we just breathe it on Earth, or a bit above Earth.

We DO know that air is thinner at a mountaintop, and even thinner at higher altitudes, flown by airplanes. Other than that, people know nothing about it, or if it even exists at all, not confirmed or verified, like all the air below it, has been....

So then, they can claim air is constant, but 'only' for a SMALL AREA, which just happens to be ALL the air, which is confirmed to exist, and proven to exist!

originally posted by: neutronflux
If there is no downward force, then why do elevators have to do more work than what is accounted for by friction?

You believe their claims about friction, and objects in motion, and that is where the problem starts...

Instead of simply believing what they claim, what they deem as a Law, you must first look through it, all of it, and see if it really holds up as legitimate, by itself, or not.


Newton said - Objects in motion,.......

- Objects in motion.....why does Newton begin his Law with that....

Do objects exist in motion, or are they motionless, within their natural, original state...

They are motionless in their natural state, of course.

So when Newton starts his Law by saying .....Objects in motion....it does NOT account for why objects would have BEEN in motion! Newton totally IGNORES that part, as if it did not exist, or even mattered at all...


The reason for that, is very obvious - no external force acting on objects, causing them to be in motion. Just to claim Objects in motion... meaning WHEN objects ARE in motion...... leaving out WHEN, and ARE.

Objects in motion - really is BS, to begin with, in a so-called Law. Or anything else, for that matter.


You need to understand WHY it is BS.....

What exists in a natural state of motion, would be rivers, lakes, and so forth, which are NOT objects..

Objects are put into motion, by an external force, not already IN motion, as Newton implies here - and deliberately so.

This is yet another example of their trickery, using words, and phrases.....

Objects must be PUT into motion, by an external force, to even BECOME objects in motion. This really shows Newton was a fraud, like many others were, and are, frauds - whether in part, or in whole.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
What roles are density and air playing here turbo:

A vacuum chamber, in a perfect state, has no air at all. It is similar to the highest altitudes above Earth, with very little air, and planes do not fly in such altitudes.

Objects fall down within a vacuum, the same as within air, both have less, or no, density, compared to the objects.

A feather in a vacuum falls at the same rate as a bowling ball, since there is no air.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Your original statement “ The bottom part of the ship doesn't 'vanish' at all!”

Your just a sore loser

If you move through the whole video, the zoomed ship moves far enough out the curvature of the earth eventually completely blocks the ship physically from view.

——-you mean like how the video starts zoomed out showing the seascape. Zoomed in to find the ship. Then stays on the ship until the ships streams out and increasingly becomes blocked physically from view by the curvature of the earth until it is completely blocked from view.

Curvature does not exist on Earth.

Just look at the horizon in those frames, and you will see how it is very choppy, not a straight line, which is how a true horizon appears.

How would a choppy horizon support your argument in any way......Earth is choppy, then!

originally posted by: turbonium1
In other words, all the proven to exist air!

Once again, they make up the rest of it, which - by amazing coincidence - is where 'gravity' DOES vary in strength!!

The whole thing is BS. Forces are always stronger near their sources, and weaker away from their sources. Knowing their magical force does NOT vary in strength in air, they simply claim this is 'only' a small section of air, and that MOST of the air, or 'atmosphere', exists ABOVE it, then claim THAT is where their magical force weakens in strength!

Your brain obviously can't handle big distances. The Earth is large, the atmosphere is very thin. The gravitational constant is measured and proven. The effect of gravity doesn't suddenly start to vary at the end of the atmosphere. IT varies all over the place.

It's so easy to make up things that don't exist, and claim they DO exist, and somehow, ALWAYS account for their fairy tale claims!

It's even easier to prove them empirically. Where's yours?

'Sure, it doesn't vary in strength over THAT part of air, it varies over the air ABOVE it, which is a much, much LARGER an area of air, or atmosphere', than what is actually proven to exist!'

You never seem to notice that all of their 'answers' and claims, are about things NOBODY CAN EVER PROVE OR CONFIRM AS TRUE?

Nobody can prove 'gravity' exists, but they claim it holds the moon in place, 250,000 miles away.

Except they do, all the time. All of this is empiricaly proven. All of this can be demonstrated, and is - from school level upwards.

Here's what they tell us...

'Stars are all trillions of miles away, so if you magnify them, you can only see them as tiny points of light, when 'in focus'. If they show unique movement, and sharp details, and OTHER stars have DIFFERENT movement and details, then you are NOT 'focused' on them correctly, since they are all trillions of miles away, so they are only 'tiny points of light', when magnified!'

No, that's your BS paraphrase of something you don't understand.

How did they 'calculate' stars were trillions of miles away?

Parallax. Red shift. You know this because you've been told it.

By seeing how stars moved relative to other stars nearby, which is true, confirmed as true, they had to twist it around for their fairy tale.

Really? I thought stars were fixed and unmoving? Need to start writing your lies down turbo, you're losing track.

They had already fooled people into believing that the Earth was a ball, speeding through endless 'space. After that, it was very, very easy to make up all the rest of it, and everyone would believe that, too!

So after they made up a ball Earth, they could make it have an 'orbit', where things go AROUND the ball Earth, or go further up, into 'space', and to the moon!

Having an 'orbit', they can make it ANY size they want, and they wanted it to fit their story, of stars trillions of miles away. And, since stars change relative position above Earth, they made an 'orbit' for Earth, for stars being trillions of miles away, after they ALSO claimed that stars were massive in size, like our Sun is (which they also made up), and this is how stars became 'trillions of miles away'!

A lie, supporting other lies, which support MORE lies, so after hundreds of lies, support one another, it's all 'true', since they all 'confirm' each other!

This tactic is how they fooled everyone, and still do, about their absurd fairy tale story.

Define "They". From where I'm sitting, "they" have fooled gullible idiots into thinking God did it all, and no further explanation is required. Everything about the mechanics of the universe can be proven with observation and maths. Nothing you claim can.

What an amazing coincidence that 'gravity' is the only force that cannot be proven, or demonstrated, or that acts in ANY way, like every OTHER force does!

Except it can be, and has. The only tactic being employed is to understand our surroundings. This is beyond you.

Truly a magical force, it has super-powers that no other force could even DREAM of possessing!

And, since it doesn't even exist, nor is there any PROOF that it exists, it transforms into an UNLIMITED problem solver!

What we can ACTUALLY see from Earth, and what we can ACTUALLY measure, is simply twisted and hijacked into their own fairy tale story. That makes it seem legit, and authentic. Nobody cares about what the rate of acceleration is, since it is not relevant to them. Who cares about how high up the air reaches, we just breathe it on Earth, or a bit above Earth.

We DO know that air is thinner at a mountaintop, and even thinner at higher altitudes, flown by airplanes. Other than that, people know nothing about it, or if it even exists at all, not confirmed or verified, like all the air below it, has been....

We know a lot about it, because we have measured it. The facts about it can be proven, like everything else.

So then, they can claim air is constant, but 'only' for a SMALL AREA, which just happens to be ALL the air, which is confirmed to exist, and proven to exist!

You last statement, like your view of the world, makes no sense. I have 4 legged pets with more of a grasp on reality. In fact, there are 6 legged insects with more understanding of how the world works.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
What roles are density and air playing here turbo:

A vacuum chamber, in a perfect state, has no air at all. It is similar to the highest altitudes above Earth, with very little air, and planes do not fly in such altitudes.

Objects fall down within a vacuum, the same as within air, both have less, or no, density, compared to the objects.

A feather in a vacuum falls at the same rate as a bowling ball, since there is no air.

But why? The feather has so little density? Why is it falling at the same rate? Why are they both falling in the same direction? There weren't thrown up there, why do they fall? Why have you ignored the other posts that point out how wrong you are all the time?

a reply to: turbonium1

Are teh waves somehow choppy enough to hide all the ship? Do the wave get bigger the further away the ship gets?

Your avoidance tactic is feeble.

a reply to: turbonium1

You missed this even though I specifically pointed bit out to you

“ The constant equation image assumption is valid in the low-middle atmosphere models since the vertical extent of the low-middle atmosphere is only several tens of kilometers, resulting in only a 1% error in the specification of equation image.””

The paper specifically points out the acceleration of gravity does change in the low and middle atmosphere. And using the sea level value of acceleration of gravity only causes errors up to 1 percent when calculating in the low and middle atmosphere.

—-Now for the video of the ship moving out to sea and becoming increasingly blocked physically from view by the earths curvature.

And what does that have to do with your original statement…

“ The bottom part of the ship doesn't 'vanish' at all!”






You got schooled because the earth is demonstrably spherical.

Stop being a sore loser.

a reply to: turbonium1

Like a little coward, you run from demonstrable proof of gravity your delusion has no explanation for…

Or you just going to keep spreading your delusions based on lies and misconceptions on your part? With your delusional model having no explanation for something as basic as tides?


And like a little coward, ignore demonstrable proof the earth is spherical.

You still ignoring this? Really?

Demonstrable proof the earth is spherical.

TONGA VOLCANO ERUPTION SHOCK WAVES DETECTED IN CHICAGO

abc7chicago.com...

"The eruption was so powerful that the waves actually propagated all the way around the globe and then back again," meteorologist Gino Izzi said.

All your pages of ranting. And a few little paragraphs of reality expose flat earth for the lie it is.

And you have to completely ignore the reality. And all you can do is change the subject and move goalposts.

a reply to: turbonium1

Oh. The end of the video of the ship. The ship is completely blocked from view by the curvature of the earth. It’s doesn’t bob up and down in and out of view.

And still very different than your original statement, “The bottom part of the ship doesn't 'vanish' at all!”

Silly turbo. You really stepped into this time.

a reply to: turbonium1

I was going to dive into energy equations for elevator motors, but I think the below is simple enough for your to grasp.

Why can “strong men” with their teeth move rail cars horizontally with the mechanical advantage of wheels?

But in your delusion of no downward force, why can’t the same person vertical lift the same rail car off the ground?

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Your brain obviously can't handle big distances. The Earth is large, the atmosphere is very thin. The gravitational constant is measured and proven. The effect of gravity doesn't suddenly start to vary at the end of the atmosphere. IT varies all over the place.

No, they've simply hijacked the measured rate of falling objects within air, which IS a constant, proving that the objects themselves are falling through air, due to their greater mass and density than that of ALL air, so they fall at the same rate in air, no matter how far above Earth, or how close to it, which proves no magical force exists in the Earth, because it would be stronger near it's source, weaker with more distance from it's source, exactly the same way, ALL of our actual sources are.

Saying it's a measurement for your magical made up 'force', is an absolute joke, while it's sheer irony is stunning.

Any magical force would HAVE to vary in strength, THROUGHOUT ever more distance from it's source, which is supposedly within the Earth itself.

You actually would claim that it DOES vary, because that's how ACTUAL forces are, they always vary in strength with more distance away from their sources.

But what we HAVE measured, is a CONSTANT rate of fall in air, which is the air at ALL distances from Earth, and is the ONLY medium above Earth, which is proven to exist above Earth, which extends up to the Firmament, placed above both Earth and air.

After they made up this ridiculous 'force', invented out of necessity for their fairy tale story, they simply hijacked the CONSTANT rate of fall in air, claiming that it was a measurement for their idiotic 'force' called 'gravity', and people like you bought this sham as a measurement for 'gravity'. The fact is, a constant rate of strength only proves MY argument is true, in every single way, while it utterly destroys your argument.

The only proof here, is with MY argument, as a constant rate of fall is MY proof. You're just a crackpot who tries to claim that a constant rate is something that actual forces DO have! Not the reality, which is that ALL forces VARY in strength, over more distance from sources!


Actual evidence is all that matters here. And all actual evidence supports my argument. You just try to hijack the actual evidence and claim it is YOUR evidence, while it completely CONFLICTS with your argument!


How pathetic can it get?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Like a little coward, you run from demonstrable proof of gravity your delusion has no explanation for…

Or you just going to keep spreading your delusions based on lies and misconceptions on your part? With your delusional model having no explanation for something as basic as tides?


And like a little coward, ignore demonstrable proof the earth is spherical.

You still ignoring this? Really?

Demonstrable proof the earth is spherical.

TONGA VOLCANO ERUPTION SHOCK WAVES DETECTED IN CHICAGO

abc7chicago.com...

"The eruption was so powerful that the waves actually propagated all the way around the globe and then back again," meteorologist Gino Izzi said.

All your pages of ranting. And a few little paragraphs of reality expose flat earth for the lie it is.

And you have to completely ignore the reality. And all you can do is change the subject and move goalposts.

Cowards make up magical 'forces' that don't even exist, hijack the actual measurements which prove my argument is true, then spew about it proving your magical force is real, by holding up a constant rate of fall in air, that shows it is completely made up!

Try arguing how the constant rate of fall in air, is somehow some sort of constant rate of strength for a 'force', when it would ONLY exist because there IS no force involved!! That's completely delusional, a hopeless case beyond all reality.