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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: scrounger
Ok, then you should have no problem if the general population is given access to those good masks, ya know, the ones that we are still trying to reserve for the healthcare providers, the ones that do actually gives some protection from the germs and viruses around you instead of just confining your germs and preventing them from infecting others?
first of all you have no clue what "the good masks " are. Because outside of bandanas and "home made" masks most if not all masks available to "heathcare providers" are availabe to anyone.. yes supplies are limited and costs expensive but they are there. but as you willfully ignore that unless ANY MASK is put on right, not touched by hands, used in correct situations and used within limited time span they will be ineffective. so you start out with an emotional rant instead of facts.. off to an expected but poor start if expect to be taken seriously
Because, by what I am being told, around my neck of the woods, the type of masks they want us to use will have very little effect because too many just arent wearing them!
sigh... again it isnt "how many are wearing them" that determine how "effective" the are. it is the above factors i alreadly listed. along with if YOUR NOT SICK they are ZERO effective..
You want businesses open? Ok, but every day I am reading about one or more companies having to shut down because of this virus. Ya, they just shut down for a few days so they can sterilize everything, but how long are they gonna be willing to do this if they end up having to shut down every week or two?
O boy the emotional rants keep comming.. they are not "shutting down sp tjeu cam stero;oze everything", but because they are ORDERED TO BY state politicians.. you are correct they are not gonna want to stay open if the state politicians will just close them again.. but that isnt the issue here now is it.. its about MANDATED MASKS for movie theaters because some people COMPLAINED (btw we still dont know how many or if it will make a difference) ... try to stay on topic ok
And, just what kind of disaster will we be facing if some kind of natural disaster hits one of these areas where the hospitals ICU occupancy is already sitting at 80%-90% because of virus outbreaks? Houston if filling up their children's hospital with carona patients. A city in florida has something like 97% ICU occupancy in all their hospitals.
oh PLEASE GET OFF the "hospitals will be overflowed" BS... even in the biggest "hot spots" the hospitals "capacity" was never exceeded. no one died from "lack of ventalators" (remember that claim) or lack of bed space. In FACT the temporary sites set up (like the mcormick place in chicago il) for overflow and the hospitals BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS CLAIM (at millions of taxpayer expense) WERE NEVER USED. even the hospital ship sent to NYC was ONLY USED BY 50 PEOPLE.. thats 50 total stay, not even at one time. along with most hospitals had lots of room due to elective tests/surgeries were stopped due to this claim.. to add to how wrong your overused claim is alot of hospitals are LAYING OFF TRAINED MEDICAL PEOPLE due to lack of buisiness... so again NOT ONE PERSON DIED due to lack of space or ventilators.. so stop repeating the tired old emotional rant.. your "overwhelming medical facilites" card has been declined
I am not gonna argue with you weather or not this virus is just another flu or common cold or not, I believe the current death toll has already surpassed that of an entire season for your typical flu!
sigh .. to you ever get tired of looking foolish? do you really need to be reminded how the "death numbers" are at best inaccurate? that the CDC (on its own website if you want proof) is allowing "anyone suspected or with symptoms of covid to be counted as cause of death" and (the sad kicker) "NO TESTING REQUIRED" (their own words). along with other diseases dwarf the supposed death count. along with hwo magically the "common flu" deaths seem to have stopped since covid has been arround..
And, as far as people being able to choose not to go out?? Okay, should we expand disability benefits to include everyone who has a history of asthma, every diabetic, every person with a cardio-vascular disease, and whatever else thay are claiming puts people in a higher risk group?
ok if your in a higher risk group YES SOME ACTIVITIES, PLACES ECT you are limited and/or have to take percautions.. that is ON THE PERSON , NOT THE REST OF SOCIETY.. along with not only covid, but influenza, rsv, pnenumonia, and a whole host of pathogens pose a threat.. but you dont see this kind of actions being demanded when last year over 60 THOUSAND people died from the flu, over 80 thousand year before that . with not a covid in sight..
now as for your "expand disablility" emotional rant (yet again) .. that is a DIFFERENT TOPIC .. your deflection attempt is sad and quite transparent. i see when you cant defend your point you go off topic ..
Might as well give them a raise also since having to get someone to get their groceries and run thier errands will probably end up being a significant expense.
again what the hell are you babbling about? if they are that sick someone already has to do that for them. if they are that vulnerable who is stopping THEM FROM TAKING PERCAUTIONS? along with need i point out alot of "heathy people" cant "buy grocieries" because the LOST THEIR JOBS due to the emotional outbursts instead of facts you espouse.S
If your answer is no, then no staying home is probably not an option.